MisterBreakfast

Here are the reason's I will probably get FUT as a first proceedure. 1) My native density and hair/skin contrast ratio is not ideal. If I go FUE first, I may not have enough density left to hide an FUT scar. 2) I have light-ish skin, and my scars typically heal very well. I have a few from bike accidents and such and they are barely noticable. 3) I am a high Norwood and would like to get 1 large session done first, and maybe a smaller follow up, as opposed to more smaller sessions. 4) It is my personal belief that there are better options to repair a bad FUT scar vs overharvesting the donor with FUE. 5) I can always rock the power donut and hide an FUT scar. 6) I do not particularly like the way a skin fade looks on myself.

Hey dude! You're doing fine. I've been watching your thread closely, cause I will likely be doing a a megasession with Wong (FUT) in December, and you have my hair color and skin color combo, and a similar norwood level. Please keep updating! Listen FUE is great and all, but I think for people like us, FUT is still a very good option. If I come away with a scar looking as good as your's I will be ecstatic. You've gone to one of the best, and you got a lot of hair in one session, which in my opinion isn't possible with FUE since that much trama causes risk to the donor. Also, you still have options. Look at all that great donor hair left. You can still do a FUE session, or FUE into your scar. Don't sweat it. You're scar is well hidden, and no one is gonna be able to notice.

Lawyers.

Grow your hair out a bit to get a better idea. Check with a doctor and see if you can get some hairloss meds. Also, how much loss you have is very important Also keep in mind that people with black hair and lighter skin get judged harshly. If I showed you Pic 1, everyone would say DUPA or "too thin". But then look at the second picture...

People gotta use some common sense and critical thinking here. On the one hand you have a guy from Reddit who has, let's just say a history of creating multiple accounts to bad mouth the top 3 clinics in the WORLD. What is the likelihood that every single best doctor has somehow done him wrong, vs the tens of thousands of other patients with different experiences, and decades long strong results of these clinics? The only thing I believe (with a large grain of salt) is what I see in the pictures, and 0% of the story. They show a stretched scar, and moderate density. Does this surprise me? Not really. The guy is clearly a higher Norwood, so medium density is to be expected. A stretched scar is far more likely after multiple FUT procedures, as any doctor will tell you. Absolutely nothing sticks out to me. Now is it possible his story is somehow true? Sure. But you need evidence to backup this kind of accusation. His brandying about obsessing over some tech, with her given name, wild accusations, and little evidence certainly won't help his case. So until he tidy's up his act and presents something that doesn't come across in such a way, then I will literally pay him no mind.

Looks like pretty good work. Could the hairline be higher? Sure! But the past is the past. Your face is gonna be framed, and you can be back to your fibers, if that's what you want, in no-time. No sense worrying about the past! You've got 1 more year to think about a 2nd operation, or hey, you don't have to get one. Great thing about men our age is that everyone is balding now! If you think about it "past you" wanted the hair transplant enough to do it. Now you move forward as a new person : ). Good luck my man!

Why are you being denied by good hair resto surgeons? It's because your expectations have to align with what is possible. Why is what you want not possible? You are asking for hair to be implanted where it is clear from a trained eye that your Frontalis muscle is. There are many problems with this, but the most being that if you make an expression your hairline will move. This will make you look like "lego man". You have a dense hairline already. Eyeballing it from these few (poor) photos it looks to be at least 160-180 hair per cm2. Surgery can not match the density you already have. Surgery is capable of MAYBE 120hair per cm2. If you put that next to natural hair density in a VERY visible location of vertical forhead (which is what you have indicated, it will look VERY different, obvious, and very bad. No good surgeon will transplant you hair into anything below the 45% angle your scalp makes with your forehead. You are drawing a hairline on the 90 degree vertical. If you want to learn about hairline placement, go to Youtube and watch the Eugenix video about hairline placement (a simple search will turn it up). Another note, some of the men you are using for reference photos have a classically feminine hairline. This is extremely rare in nature. As a matter of fact it is typically the result of either: a poor result from a hair transplant, hormonal imbalance, or traction allopecia.

I think you are nw7, and you likely have thinning in the donor, in which case a full head of hair is completely out of the picture. If you can't tolerate finasteride, you should probably not risk scarring and possibly ending up bald anyway. Sometimes the best transplant is the one you never got.

Hard to say. The top went kind of twice, once at 22, probably lost about 1/3rd and then again sometime in my mid 20's, lost another third, shaved it short, never looked back. For the donor, I was planning on getting a transplant, took meds, had a good response, then once I grew my sides out only then did I notice that they too had started to thin. It's more exaggerated / noticeable in photos. In the mirror, or in person, you can hardly tell the donor thinned.

~37 years. My hair was thick as **** back in the day. Don't know exact percentage but as you can see from that photo its well over 25%. I also have no desire to get scarring to transplant miniaturized hair.

@Kraki77

When your donor is viewed under a microscope microscope, you want someone to check for varying diameter hairs. Here you can see on my donor, almost every follicle group has miniaturization. Some amount is normal, but in my donor almost every group has miniaturized hair. Elite doctors recommend under 10-15%. Lesser doctors will operate < 25%.

I'm going to be honest, that donor looks like it's thinning. Have you been checked for DUPA? I have DUPA, and I've recently decided not to go through with my transplant. My donor looks quite a bit denser than yours as well.

I've talked to him, paid for the consult. He wasn't a serious consideration for me, but I wanted the input from a doctor who was more conservative for graft counts. That is the thing that is very important, he even told me directly that he likes doing small surgeries, and doing multiple sessions. He said he does have enough business (I'm assuming from YouTube) to do hair every day of the week, but he chooses not to do so. Also even though I expressed interest in FUT he really wanted to push me towards FUE, which just isn't going to happen for me on my first transplant. Overall, he came across as nice, but very busy, and I'd probably only consider him if I lived in NYC and didn't need to have a big procedure. His rates were comparable with top clinics, so keep that in mind.

"Hey dumbass, take dutasteride. Yes, even though no male in your family has hair loss, you're getting a bad case of DPA. Unlucky for you but you can stop it in it's tracks. Also don't see NVDA stock until 2021. And oh yeah, maybe ditch your current fiancé, you have some good times together, but it's not gonna work out and it's gonna cost you some hair."

Your original understanding was correct. The first set of pictures were taken within a few weeks, just to let it grow out. The lighting is different, and the length of the hair is approximately 2, 3, 3.5 guard in the original pics respectively. The difference in length may account for difference in appearance. I don't think I've seen any changes in the donor density, certainly no increase. Follow up post was a response with Gatsby (those include before and after dut / minox).

Without a doubt. I've got almost my entire crown filled in about to half original density, and my frontal tuft area is starting to come back more recently. Sides have also come up a bit as well.

Just looking to do a comparison, and I'm having trouble finding reference people with light skin and dark hair. I've been worried that I might be seeing some thinning in my donor along the sides, and might be a bad candidate. On the otherhand it might just be fine for high skin to hair contrast. I feel like pictures and lighting are very hard to judge. I haven't had a transplant yet, for reference, and I'm about 37yrs. Looking to get an FUT in 5-6 months, and I've been on Dut and Minox for about 8-9 months so far. I did notice donor shedding about 3 months ago, so that may also be a factor. I know some thinning on the sides is normal as we age, but I was wondering if anyone had a donor area with a skin color and hair color similar to mine that I could compare to. (This is my hair at about a number 2 clipper guard indoors). 3 Guard outdoors: 3-4 guard indoors:

Just gonna give my honest opinion, if you've seen a few examples IN PERSON... SMP looks great for like a couple months ( and especially right after you get it )... butttt it always fades and blurs to some extent. Yes, even the good ones. I wouldn't rely on it as a first or second approach... maybe save it for if something goes wrong, or as a back up.

There is a great video by Eugenix about hair lines on youtube. I think you should probably watch it, because what you are asking for is a feminine hairline. If you fill in the edges as indicated you will remove the natural M shape that a male has, and get that curvy look that is typical of a female, in my opinion. Ofc, if this is really what you want then go for it, but I just wanted to make sure you were informed.

I used topical minox and topical finasteride a while back, but did not notice much results. When I switched to oral dut, my hair growth exploded. I just recently started oral minoxidil but it's too early to know what the results of that will be.

7 month ish user of Dutasteride here. It's almost brought me back an entire norwood level so far. I estimate I have about 2-3k new hairs (still bald, but better than before, clearly). Plan is that once I stop seeing progress from Dut, I'll get a transplant. One thing I will note is that I have 0 side effects. I guess other people here were struggling with some, but I just want to point out that some of us actually don't get side effects at all.

(Not medical advice) From my anecdotal experience, topical finasteride didn't do anything for me. When I swapped to oral medication my hair growth exploded. Sounds like your transplanted hair might be sensitive to DHT. Maybe consider talking to a doctor about DHT, and maybe consider asking if bloodwork is appropriate to measure your DHT levels.

That's like what 100cm2? 30-40 grafts per cm, might need 2 surgeries for density.

My 2cents: Norwood 7 with retrograde alopecia. You probably need about 8000 grafts, and you have maybe 1000 available. Might be worth trying meds since you look a little diffuse and are still young. Then you can re-evaluate in 1-2 years.