1966kph

I presumed that would be the opinion but hoped for your sake there was a way round.

Bit tough vox but at least your still here and rocking.

Chins up.

Have a good day

Thanks for the reply Bill.

From what i have seen his work looks very good but i do not see any advantage in the length of time he takes doing the op.

I would not fancy being in the chair and having 6 lots of injections to obtain a 3000 graft ht and im pretty sure people who have been in the chair would probably agree.

But as long as the patiants know this and are willing to go with this setup i see no problem with it.

I still reserve my judgement till i have looked at other forums into his supposed poor results of late.

Have a nice day

1966kph,

The previous concerns surrounding recommending Dr. De Reys wasn't about him, but about whether or not it was appropriate at that point to recommend a surgeon who solely performs FUE. The debate was regarding whether or not FUE was consistent enough to recommend surgeons who didn't perform strip surgery. There was no actual topic considering Dr. De Reys for potential recommendation as we didn't make it that far in the process. However, this debate did take place on various topics on the forum.

 

Regarding the case you are referring to, please provide me with a link (send it to me privately if it's on another forum please) as each case needs to be evaluated one by one.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Bill

Nicely put scar and I agree totally.

Its only in extreme cases that I believe bht should be looked at a a resource but still then a great deal of thought should go into the graft placement.

Major repair cases were bht is the only viable option is when I believe that bht really put to its best use as its bht or nothing.

Umar whilst aleivating the terrible appearance of scars by utilising bht the patients still end up looking like someone with a head of non of us would wish for on ourselves.

If I felt bht was good I have that much I could have 200fu cm2 over my entire bonce.

Have a good day

That is five hammer blows there...at least for a brown haired, fair skinned white boy like me.

 

Forgetting about the economics entirely, for sake of argument, this is the classic way many docs prioritize empirical over aesthetic considerations.

 

I have had BHT from every place known to man, as well as beard. My maxim has been 1 beard hair = two scalp follicles for density, and 4 chest hairs = 1 follicle - but those are only for my "incredible" body.

 

More seriously, I have been told to 'leave the crown' in the final sit on more occasions than I can remember. As a result my crown is like a desert with a few shrubs.

 

I don't recommend Dr. Bhatti's approach (although I admire his collection of data and input to the discussion)

 

So let's go through the points.

 

1) Wrong..("gold standard" btw is a nonsense term.) What ever parameters you use, they are changing in the big picture. Sure, strip yields are good, but at what cost? No one wants a strip scar, especially a balding male. But it is the way a hair restoration is built around a strip scar that is another concern. It often means an empty crown and a wall of hair combed back over it- and thus, behind the crown, the flow is followed over the scar. Result, you are stuck with a combed back look with a thinning crown. Not bad, but hardly why you booked the HT in the first place.

 

2) Mid scalp 'fill' with beard hair?? Not for me. They stand out like to me. Sure, I am paranoid and over sensitive, but they look quite different to me. and they feel different too. Moreover, you get that sense that the disparity will not improve over time as the native hair weakens and these beard stalks continue. In digital photos they can be shocking ad the camera paints them like black dots against the natural diffused tones of scalp- hair They are dark and strong. Mid scalp is often light, weak and minaturized. Caveat - beard hairs often grey/gray much faster.

 

3) Accept low density for the crown? With a (gold standard) strip scar? I think no. Although I accept that in the days of social media, a wall of frontal hair can take a profile pic a long way. Guys, the crown is essential!! It is one of the tell-tale signs of balding. Remember balding itself is a nuisance and even a health risk (sun burn , facial wrinkles, etc) but what bothers us is the disqualifying nature of it's symbols. The first but weaker symbol is the receding hairline, but the killer punch is the empty crown.

 

4) I have seen some buzzed FUE heads with beard in the crown, that was very successful, especially salt 'n pepper color tones.

 

 

Anyway, that is my 2 cents.

 

I would consider these principles as an advocate of the nw3 25 yr old white male;

 

1) Don't neglect a long term strategy to cover the crown well - (and to be fair, Dr. Bhatti does state that conserving scalp hair for the crown is good)

 

2) Keep beard hair for when you are grey and only use it on the crown on scars. ..and keep you beard too if you are a hipster!

 

3) Consider what 1 BHT hair is worth to you in density and weigh up how odd it will look. Remember that top frontal scalp could be minaturized for a long time - a kind of sustained miniature state thanks to fin or other meds)

 

4) Remember what a famous FUE/BHT pioneer once said, "What you see is what you get"

What do you mean ko I dont get what your saying?

Have a good day

Would FUE work?

Tottaly agree spanker there should be more to come before this is the final result.

Nice post especially for less well read newer searchers so thank you for taking time and effort to help others johndelta22.

Along with dozens of other factors ones own expectations must be realistic or your likely to feel dissatisfied. We all want our fairytale head of hair but probably 80% of the time its unachievable and the higher the norwood and that % rises further then add to that poor donor and its game over.

How many times have we seen people post saying how they've been told their a bad candidate and been turned away with their hopes dashed?

All this is why we should research all aspects of ht because without the research your leaving yourself wide open to disappointment of one sort or another.

It's love to see some dry photos, maybe parted to the side. I DEFINITELY think you'll see maturation and thickening over the next 3 to 5 months.

 

Looks good and I feel like you made a very nice and well thought out post.

Sorry to hear of your resent health scare vox.

Good luck in round two of your quest for hair sounds like you

have a good plan worked out regarding graft placement.

Have you booked a date yet vox?

As dear old Leonard nimoy used to say live long and prosper.

Above all else keep that great wit of yours.

Have a good day

Hello fixmyhead.

A lot of clinics that were using neograft have stopped using them for a number of reasons.

Go to the top right hand corner of the screen and - Find a great surgeon in your area -

Don't bother looking at neograft look at drs and preferably ones that dont use neograft.

Have a good day

Nice result thus far he must be happy and hopefully a second procedure and he can forget about his hair problems.

Have a nice day

Bill when you say .

( Dr. De Reys was considered for potential recommendation several years ago when he worked for ProHairClinic. Numerous examples of his results were presented and examples of his work looked quite good. However, because FUE wasn't as popular and credible as it is today, many concerns and questions went unaddressed. However, Dr. De Reys pressed onward and now that FUE has become more widely accepted, he is ready to be considered again)

Have you a link please to his previous recommendation so we can see the concerns which were raised that went unanswered?

The results I have seen of his of late are very good but a number of weeks ago a poster who is a member on another forum also said that he has been showing some fairly poor results there.

I think ko was on the same thread so maybe he will remember it better than I !

Three days seems very long winded and imo serves no purpose but to prolong the discomfort of the patient to obtain 3000 grafts.

Are we to think that this timescale is of any benefit when excellent results are obtained harvesting and implanting these numbers in a day?

Hopefully someone can recollect the poster who questioned his reputation for stellar results.

I will reserve judgement to see if further information is forthcoming in regard to what I have just said.

Have a nice day.

Congrats David and a very good read.

Where you [ out of it ] due to the tiredness from traveling or medication or was it due to both.

I presume the procedure was so long due to the unusually tough skin dr bhattti mentioned.

I have just had a 4300 fue with a dr that we for some reason at the moment are not allowed to name and it lasted about 8 hours but i may have babie soft skin i dont know.

It should make for a very good improvement for you and hopefully you obtain 100% graft survival and growth.

I look forward to following this as it progresses.

Good luck to you and have a nice day

Hello markk.

I presume that this is fut not fue ?

At only 9 months there is still time for a little improvement especially in the crown depending on how many grafts were placed there I cannot really tell from your photos.

What do you think of the results thus far yourself ?

To be honest it looks far from spectacular and I'll be very surprised if it gets a lot better but I hope I'm surprised for your sake.

Have you spoken to the doc about the results so far? If so what did he say ? Or she say?

Have a good day

Good luck ready.

I look forward to following your updates.

His list is probably shorter than one would expect due to the number of staff and the number of patients they see per day now.

I remember years ago his earliest dates were several months ahead but it was a much smaller setup.

They continue to impress greatly on a regular basis.

I'm sure you're gonna be a happy chappie this time next year.

Have a good day

Thank you for taking the time to retort and yes I remember each example but this whilst casting some doubt as to whether he is there all the time it does not prove the point you seemed to be declaring as fact.( frequently no physician on the premises)

Shall we leave it at that?

Have a nice day and thank you once again.

Blake for your attention.

Post number 6 from 08-09-2013

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/171785-fue-dr-maral-istanbul-turkey.html

Post 1 from 02-01-2014

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/173845-my-3500grafts-fue-dr-maral-istanbul.html

post 18 clearly answering post 17 on 12-22-2012 and even back then the patient had already had enough and deleted a lot of his posts but if you read through what remains its clear maral is not hands on.

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/168337-transplant-3-weeks-fue-turkey-2.html

And again Blake in regard to statement saying he is frequently not even being on the premises it has been said once in total by ash1975 in post 146 in this link below.

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/173845-my-3500grafts-fue-dr-maral-istanbul-15.html

I know you despise this clinic blake but if you are going to be saying such statements please go to a little trouble of double checking that what your stating is accurate.

It took five minutes to find this but i know your a very busy man were i am not.

So as i said just because pup you bill ko and whoever else had not read the threads the information that marals is a tech clinic has been on the forum since 2012 it was only some kind of revelation if you didn't know.

Thank you for your good wishes on my up coming procedure i look forward to being able to give a little payback to this community that has helped me so much and that's what it should be a place for helping each other.

Have a nice day.

Now i'm back on topic

1966,

 

I disagree with this statement:

 

The only people that didn't know that maral was not hands on were the ones who had not read the information thats been on this forum since 2013.

 

As several members pointed out, the doctor's ex-rep initially claimed he performed the procedure. After this was questioned, he changed position and said the procedures are completely run by technicians, but supervised by a physician. In the end, it came to light that there is frequently no physician on site.

 

I'm not sure if it was KO or Pup or someone else who really pushed and obtained this information, but I, unfortunately, don't have time to dig through everything and find it.

I've given a bit of thought as I'm going in the chair in a few days.

As I move quite a bit in my sleep and have even ripped bed sheets whilst sleeping

I intend taking a dressing gown cord to tie around my wrists and anchor it so the highest I could get my hands will be chest height.

Dont want to wake up with the transplant up the fingernails I prefer to have it on my head.

Have a good day

Blake rather than another patients thread get hyjacked if you could please pm me were you have ever read (there is frequently no physician on site ) as far as I am aware this is untrue.

The imformation has been on here since 2013 and just because bill ,ko ,pup whoever wasn't aware because they hadn't read it.

And if you look back through the threads I think I interpreted what mikrofue said differently to you pup busa ko ect

I looked at it as though he meant he was overseeing each part of the procedure and planning all the procedure so was is involved in all aspects.

Do you really think it was ever going to claimed by the clinic that maral was hands on when he already had several patients stateing he isn't? Come on seriously.

So the dr is out of the premises frequently?

The recipient incisions are made with a drill?

Do people just pluck this information out of the air?

As I say pm me and let this thread stay on topic.

Have a good day

1966,

 

I disagree with this statement:

 

The only people that didn't know that maral was not hands on were the ones who had not read the information thats been on this forum since 2013.

 

As several members pointed out, the doctor's ex-rep initially claimed he performed the procedure. After this was questioned, he changed position and said the procedures are completely run by technicians, but supervised by a physician. In the end, it came to light that there is frequently no physician on site.

 

I'm not sure if it was KO or Pup or someone else who really pushed and obtained this information, but I, unfortunately, don't have time to dig through everything and find it.

Looking forward to following your progress jimbo.

IMO Lorenzo is the top dog in crown work and I hope he proves it again with your results.

Have a nice day.

As I've said I think who ever has a input into the recommendation of a dr whether it be members or drs it should all be all done within the thread so all can see how the decision was made.

Transparency is I think fair and called for both for members and the dr who is up for recommendation.

I think a lot of us thought our input stood for nothing and was a waste of our time.

I think this is clearly evident here again with the responses.

Have a good day all

Hello blake I hope your well.

I am going to maral next week for my long overdue ht and have been assured by dr maral that the least experienced person that will be working on me has 4 years experience and the most experienced 11 years so am I happy with this yes I am.

I have said before and maybe there should be a list compiled and made into a sticky that we should ask as many questions as possible and the dr should be prepared to answer ALL.

Blake tell me if you got in the chair and a person you knew zero about was about to set about your ht after being assured someone else was going to be doing the work would you walk?

The only people that didn't know that maral was not hands on were the ones who had not read the information thats been on this forum since 2013.

Same goes for the fact that the incisions aren't made with a drill which Pupdaddy has posted god knows how many times giving out incorrect information.

I have literally sent dr maral dozens of emails and he's answered all my questions regarding his team of techs and while your here and saying no physicians oversight could you please link me to were this has ever been stated because I have never seen this stated?

In regard to the recommendation process members casting votes should count for something and you know fine well I'm not the only one thinking it stood for nothing with dr duas recommendation. I stated that only votes cast within the relevant thread should be counted non of this private messages received from drs who are to busy! To busy to say in public their thoughts but can find the time by email or private message does one any take longer than the other?

But theres a idea for you the sticky for the questions we should be asking a dr during a consultation but I would imagine its been answered dozens of times but a sticky would be useful for all newbies especially.

Have a nice weekend

Guys,

 

Just to clarify a few things:

 

It sounds like FBO was not aware of the role the technician plays in strip procedures. It's common practice for technicians to dissect the strip under microscopic dissection and place grafts. Now, utilizing underpaid or under-trained technicians is something else. If this is the case, we need to get to the bottom of it.

 

FBO, please send me a private message with the name of your doctor. We will reach out and ask for an explanation and help you two reach a resolution.

 

1966,

 

KO is referring to your earlier arguments about FUE clinics advertising using the name of a doctor, but then utilizing technicians to perform the entire procedure without any physician oversight. If I remember correctly, you said patients in this situation were free to simply "get up and walk out" of the clinic if they arrived and didn't know beforehand that an unknown technician would be performing the procedure.

 

Frankly, I'm surprised to read some of your above comments. You've been highly supportive of clinics using this model in the past. What's more, I don't think it's what is happening here.

 

I'm also sorry to hear you've lost faith in our recommendation standards. They are posted publicly and have not changed. If there is anything you think we can do to improve, please let us know. We're always interested in improving.

 

Thanks.

I do not get what you mean ko!

If you are told a specific person/persons are going to be doing the work and it turns out this is not the case I would walk,You ko thats up to you.

I wouldn't go with the same doc who gave me a poor result previously and I certainly would not pay an extra 3k for it.

He cannot get back his lost donor here but IMO he should get his money back and if right was right the dr should pick up the bill for a similar sized op with a different doc as way of compensation.

I'm not interested in the drs name if he will only divulge it privately I think he should name him for all to see who read this thats up to him.

But like I said ko I dont know what point your trying to make so if you could elaborate please?

Have a nice day

But weren't you saying a patient can just walk out of the clinic if the person operating is different? Curious.

We're seeing this all to often were patients don't have a clue who is actually going to be doing the work.Then the patients get offered a FIX for X amount.

I have far less respect in the capabilities of recommended drs here than I used to.

After seeing cases such as this or the donor left open or fut+fue for 1500 grafts and drs not going to be in the office during the whole ht and their not getting held to account for their actions.

We as paying customers and human beings deserve to be treated better it really grinds my gears when people are taken advantage of and the perpetrators get off scot free.

The dr should offer you a free repair but make sure it won't be the same techs as last time.

If I were you I would go elsewhere ask this dr for a refund and go to someone else otherwise you could end up with the same result.

I hope you get the results you were hoping for with your next procedure.

Have a nice day

Harin have you considered adding the possibility of body hair into the equation thats assuming that you have body hair to use.

Quite a few fue surgeons also offer bht just look at what umar has done for some repair cases by utilising body hair.

Just a thought.

Have a nice day.

I would definitely trust in reddys skill but is it going to be him?

If you don't get a gauntee that it will be reddy doing the ht walk away would be my suggestion.

Have a good day

Yes my bad.. the Private clinic is part of Restore Hair clinics which is indeed Dr Reddy. There is another clinic which sounds the same.

So out of the 2 clinics you mentioned I would opt for Dr Reddys one, especially if he is the surgeon that's going to be doing the actual transplant.

Why can you not go outside the uk Lee ?

If your looking for the best possible outcome I think you need to.

If I were you I would be looking at Belgium, Turkey and Spain for starters.

Pete from farjo said yesterday that their fue is now top notch after Lorenzo's stay there

but I haven't a clue what they charge for fue.

I suppose you could contact them and as their in Manchester if you cannot possibly go outside the uk they might be a option.

I would advise you to run your thoughts by the forum before making a rash decision and as has already been said avoid the two clinics you were thinking of.

Have a nice day

Hello Harin.

I suggest you look through drs gallery's this will give you a better idea of what is necessary in terms of graft numbers for the result your aiming for.

IMO after spending $20.000 your going to be very unsatisfied with the result.

To get satisfaction you need to be looking at turkey or europe were for $20.000 you will get around 5000 grafts and IMO they are better at fue than the US drs.

Have a nice day

Good morning to all the folks here. I much appreciate you all taking time to share your stories and valuable experiences with other members.

 

I am contemplating plunging in for FUE.

 

40 years of age, Norwood class 6 male patern baldness. I tgought I will ask you guys some questions in the hope of finding answers.

 

I have been trying to find a good FUE surgeon but there are too many threads and it is confusing to me. I had initial consultation with a surgeon at Maryland who has suggested 2000 FUE grafts for front, lateral humps and forelock. My questions are.

 

1. Do you have any recommendations for FUE surgeons in south of USA?, prefrably, TX, FL or MS who has had good track records, easy to deal with and natural looking results?

 

2. I think 2000 grafts for Norwood class 6 is too less?, what are your opinions?

 

3. I am being quoted 10$ per FUE, is this the resonable price for a surgeon with good reputation?

 

 

I apologize in advance if some of these questions have already been answered. I appreciate your kindness in responding to my queries.

 

Thank you.