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Did you shed any ,all or most of the grafts.

Surprising at only two months.

Good luck for the coming months.

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This is true ko but the vast majority as far as I am aware cannot.

This along with the overheads and drs self worth are keeping the US prices high.

Its fact that instead of people going to the US they are coming from the US to Europe and Turkey.

What's the number one difference? IMO and just look how many fut surgery's are carried out in Turkey very few.I think fut is just about dead in Turkey. The vast majority of people IMO nowadays are going with fue. The ishrs statistics said that about 65% of US Drs persuaded the patients who came in looking for fue were talked into fut I think we can read something into this.

Without fully utilising techs in the US its at a big disadvantage and hopefully this will change and to the benefit of the US patients.

I think dr vories is a up and coming force within the US ht industry due to his technique and his prices I think he has it right to entice people to stay within the states for fue ht and I would suggest others should follow suit.

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Techs being heavily involved isn't a new thing that is going to liberate hair loss sufferers, rather it's been happening for a long time. If I'm not mistaken, Scar5 himself has gotten procedures where techs do most of the work. Rather doctors who are passionate about their work and are heavily involved is one of the reasons hair restoration has gotten a lot better.

 

In the US techs can extract grafts in some places as Janna pointed out, plus Rahal uses techs for extraction.

Good to see this Ryan I'm really pleased for you and as many stated it would appear it was shock loss.

Your looking good now you must be so relieved.

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donor update 10 days until 7 months. Length is 1/2 inch

I agree scar and I think the moves dr Karadeniz high lighted were the ishrs members voted that members had to sign up to extractions having to be carried out by drs just shows how desperate they are becoming.

As if the most successful fue drs that can utilise techs are going to revert back to their old ways to retain membership of a society that is obviously self serving of the US ht industry.

When utilising techs in full as they do in turkey and europe more people are treated in a day and standards such as those produced by Erdogan and Lorenzo have IMO stayed top notch which is in my book a great thing for sufferers, not so great for the US ht industry and it knows it.

Dr Karadeniz said himself that he will utilise techs even though he has been belittling techs since he arrived here due to his high opinion of his skills but he realises you have to move with the times or sink.

Its dire straits for the US ht industry and it knows it.

I think any of us who have been about long enough have seen this coming in gradually but IMO it has escalated due to the financial climate over the last 6-7 years and people realising they have alternatives to paying the ridiculous prices which US drs have been charging.

The US used to have a monopoly on the ht industry and more and more sufferers are saying NO MORE.

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American docs are in a pickle at the moment with the impending demise of strip. The problem for them is that techs can't extract. But they can't go and work in Europe or a land where their medical licenses are valid - they can't even cross State lines in many cases. Going to Europe means thy have to re-do their residencies.

 

For a while they held back the waters by blasting away at FUE, calling it a scam etc. but in doing so they shot themselves in the foot. In bashing FUE, machines like Neograft and Artas, t(he very things that might make FUE economical for them) were so maligned that they now almost have to hide the fact they use them.

 

There is no way a doc can sit there manually extracting 5000 FUE grafts a week for a living. It is crisis time for them and I think we will see a number of them diversifying into other areas of plastic surgery.

Surely this needs moving its not fue but fut.

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Hello vern777.

I would go with Erdoğan over bhatti but thats just my preference .

One thing I must admit about Erdoğan is the graft numbers a lot of the time seem excessively high when compared to other estimates which is evident again here.

Future loss in younger patients should be one of the most important considerations when planning,hair line position,density, and graft numbers used and donor availability in any ht should revolve around the possibility of future loss.

Any planning that does not incorporate each of these considerations is asking for problems.

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I think quite a few drs in Turkey accept euros as payment I know mine did.

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For the USA HT pt the Euro is now at a 12 year low and may likely drop even further in the near future. Time to seriously consider the experienced FUE specialists in Europe while they are on "sale"

That makes good sense and something I didn't do but should have if I go to Turkey again for round two I will definitely be doing so.

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I took the extra precaution of taking out a substantial amount of travel accident insurance. It's very affordable and, even knowing that the odds are very much on my side, I wanted to be sure my family was well taken car of in the event of an unfortunate accident.

I am not well traveled at all but have just come back from Turkey and am 10 days post op.

I was not worried about the procedure as I had done my research but the traveling was a different story.

Uk and US citizens are the most prized of targets for radicals but I knew I would not be venturing out and about so was never gonna be a visible target.

I feel if someone with such insecurities about traveling such as myself could do it I would suggest just about anyone could.

There were at least 7 other ht patients on my flight so when you consider how many flights there are to Turkey even just from the uk the numbers of people going there is huge and growing all the time.

I presume its the same with US citizens and just by the number of patients on these boards going from the US to Turkey or into europe its obvious its a risk they feel is worthwhile for the cost saving and skill set they have in these countries.

It used to be patients going from europe to the US for ht now the opposite is becoming more and more commonplace.

I say way it up and go for it if your comfortable with it all and the airport security is no big deal either.

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In regard to artas within the US could technicians do extractions using it ?

If the answer is yes I presume the US would be the biggest market and reason it was thought up in the place was because of the law regarding techs.

Pity it turned out to be so poor.

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As far as I know he still implants all grafts but techs do the extractions.

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Is Dr. Lorenzo using techs for placement now?

Because of censorship some posts have been removed in this thread just in case readers are wondering what's going on.

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To be honest pup I did not trawl through the website so I have not seen it but I would presume its a translation issue because its definitely incisions with custom cut blades.I wonder if it means the extractions are done with motorised punch!

I will mention to him the next time he emails checking on how I'm doing.

If it is on there its not a very good advertisement.

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Hello Wylie.

In Turkey in a lot of places yes they do both extractions and incisions and have been doing it for years and in europe a awful lot of techs are charged with the graft extractions.

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I don't doubt that many technicians in Europe and India are very good at what they do, but my greater question is, what exactly will the doctor be doing in comparison to his U.S. counterparts? Do technicians extract the grafts also? Surely they do not make the incisions where the grafts are placed

Nice thread seeker.

We see it all to often were younger sufferers lose a bit in the hairline and jump straight into a ht to reverse this pattern. Or if say their a norwood 3-4 then get a 4000 - 5000 fue with little understanding of what is going to happen in future years.

Its one of my biggest concerns regarding younger patients that they don't plan for the future when deciding to go with the low hairlines.

Research Research Research to save yourself real problems to come.

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IMO the price of fue in the states has to drop because IMO the demand for fue is slowly killing off fut and europe and especially turkey have perfected fue over the last 10 years

This has left the states dead in the water floundering about because of its own laws that technicians cannot be fully utilised as they are in europe and Turkey.

And this nonsense that techs can't do this and can't do that is ridiculous as is clear with Erdogan and Lorenzo to name a couple that have been utilising techs for years and their results are still top of the tree.

I dont know if the states is ever going to catch up with europe and turkey and at the moment the way is drop prices dramatically otherwise people are going to drive by the US clinics on their way to the airport.

For the sake of US sufferers I hope a big change comes and comes quickly because for far to long now the USdocs have been over charging people they are meant to be helping.

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Again I agree totally and I hope vories turns out to be a start in a big change in the available options for north americans both with technique and pricing.

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I haven't seen enough of Dr Vories work to give him a formal endorsement but he appears to have undergone a dramatic reformation a few years ago. I surmise that he was heavily influenced by Lorenzo's technique and is the closest practitioner on this side of the pond who subscribes to that model. His fees based on what have been posted here are reasonable in comparison to other NA clinics. One thing to consider today however is the falling Euro and the experience and longterm results of the non-USA FUE specialists. At least many now have legitimate options whereas just a few years ago there was practically none.

Could not agree more but i think the times they are a changin it will just take time and lots of good results to be posted.

I wanted a ht for going on two decades but i refused to pay the extreme prices for which is essentially a day or twos work.

About ten years ago i built a brick garage, a 35 feet x 12 feet extension and block paved my driveway for 16K doing all the work apart from plumbing and electrics myself or should i have tried to cover my norwood 6 ? for the same or even more cost.

I am now one week out from a 4300 fue that cost 1900 euros all in now at this price i can live with a clear conscious that my loved ones did not have to go without because of my vanity and someones else's greed because that's what it is greed.

This is my thread if you would like to have a squint.

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/178771-decades-before-finding-dr-%5B-censored-%5D.html

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Very well spoken, and I echo everything you said. With the advent of FUE in places like Turkey and India, American doctors are now scrambling to keep up with the results found in these locations, often performed for a fraction of the cost they charge here. This is great news for the American consumer, and I am definitely rooting for these new practitioners to succeed, and to give American and European consumers an alternative to the often ridiculous prices we are forced to pay for a limited market of FUE practitioners.

Hello Garageland.

What can you tell us of a change in personality do you notice a vast change in apparent happiness,smiling more ect ect because with results such as this its got to be world changing for the patients.

If their happy its a job well done.

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Thanks very much for your comments. Fortune you pretty much hit the nail on the head with your comments about him with the 80's movie star I like that, and if you could see his face the change is even more startling.

 

From all the results that I see in person and in photos over the years the guys that get the biggest transformation are those that have lost everything in the front. There is huge potential to drop 10-15 years in their appearance by restoring a hairline and frontal zone.

Thanks AB I had actually seen them photos.

I will follow your progress.

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Have you any photos AB2000 for us to have a squint at ?

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My top would have to hasson & Wong.

No one has come close to the size of mega sessions that they've been doing for over a decade and their scars are also top of the game to boot.

All drs mentioned so far apart from dr kapil dua are all very good but from a higher norwood situation h&w all the way.

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Thats good news Ryan really glad for you

I look forward to seeing the photos of the improvement.

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Hey guys just thought Id update this thread. I am 2 weeks away from 7 months (just got a haircut) and I am pretty sure the donor has significantly improved recently. Its looking like it will end up being an acceptable density. I will update in 2 weeks with pictures.

I don't need to ask how your doing betterlate as your obviously doing good.

As usual very imformative writing well written and enlightening thank you.

I had come to terms with my hair loss by analysis of were it stood in my life's prioritys and to be frank it

was way down the list.

This is why I feel so relaxed about post op and the results or lack of.

I'm just happy I got a shot at tackling it as many don't for one reason or another

Look forward to your next post as there always a good read.

And publically thank you for all the support and kindness you have shown me its much appreciated.

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I sincerely hope not for my sake as well as other smokers.

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This thread is funny, especially the last comment. For what it is worth, I consulted with a very prominent Doctor who does NOT believe there is a correlation between smoking and poor growth. Best of luck!