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31 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Pictures?

Attached!

On 4/20/2022 at 2:45 PM, Etownone said:

Heres another Pic.   

Top 5 days post op,  bottom is from just now.   So, it's similar to what he did to you.  

Its coming in..   I'm praying I get some good density.  I took pics like every week....  So I noticed by week 3 everything fell out,  but by like week 8 or 9 I started seeing something.   Like really teeny tiny hairs coming thru.   

We are both in ugly duckling phase so it's only going to get better.   

The benefit of the no shave FUE is the fact that when it sheds it just looks like it did before the surgery, right? It’s not like it looks worse or anything. Or would you say the redness is noticeable?

Hello.

I have a question about double grafts.

Obviously the donor area has these, so do other parts of the head?

I know they shouldn’t be on the hairline, so if someone has doubles from a bad transplant can singles be implanted in front to hide them? Or would they still be noticeable?

On 3/12/2022 at 6:43 PM, Jtoorrees said:

Your progress is looking great Joe! I think you made the right choice for you. Then again I don’t think you could’ve gone wrong with either Dr. 

 

I think so too! Both are putting out great results IMO. Dr. De Freitas isnt doing video consults but his staff sent back my assessment. I had a video call with Dr. Cuoto and he’s putting out great results as well and does the whole surgery. Cuoto’s prices are a lot higher but I think the video consult and the fact that he does the whole surgery himself is making the decision harder. 

 

Same boat man! I really like De Freitas’s results, it just looks like hairline density is a common theme with all his post op pics and videos. That or it’s just a lot more visible/noticeable in his photos. Not sure how much of a factor that will play in the final results but I think it helps. I have a feeling he’ll probably get my deposit in the end. 

 

I was emailing with Tamara. As of mid Feb they were booking for May 2023. That’s after an assessment. 

 

Ah! This is where it gets interesting! I really like Ferreira’s work, I’m sure weve all seen Rolandas’s results as well as the ones posted by the forum members and they look great and the ones I’ve seen are progressing nicely. I was actually guilty of almost commuting to the Turkey hair mill route until I saw Rolandas’s videos and wanted to go with Ferreira instead. And that further research led me down the rabbit hole again and onto other doctors like De Freitas and Cuoto.

But what are we measuring in terms of “falling short” on? Like for me if I were going off finished results I’m leaning towards De Freitas, haha as to why? I’m not really sure, it just seems like his has a lot of wow factor, not saying the other doctors don’t as they certainly do. Like for Cuoto I’ve noticed he can do a lot without a high number of grafts based on some of his videos! I don’t know if my observation is correct but I do notice he could be a little more conservative on the hairline than Freitas? Or I might just be imagining that. But I really don’t mind him stretching out a 3000 graft operation over 3 days to get things perfect. 

Couto doesn’t do the extractions. I had a face to face consultation and this was confirmed. 

Hi @Smash

Thanks for this detailed write up.

You originally agreed 1000 grafts but ended up getting 1500? Did you just have to pay the difference when you were there?

And the original 1000 estimated was based on pictures you sent?

12 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Send a pm to @FUECLINIC there’s also a patient here who is in contact with the office I’m sure he can help as well @mustang

Hi @mustang, could you kindly confirm that you actually work for Dr Mwamba? You are Joshua Siebelink, the guy who literally replies from info@fueclinic.com, no?

There’s no question that your own thread is very educational, but a little transparency on why you promote Dr Mwamba so much would be appreciated.

13 hours ago, JC71 said:

Last time I checked it was $3.50 for the first 1000 grafts, and then reduces to $2.50 per graft thereafter. 

Does anyone know if that price is inclusive of VAT? For example, Lorenzo and Couto’s €5 per graft is inclusive of VAT. If the €3.50 isn’t inclusive, then in reality it’s €4.24 per graft. @Melvin- Moderatordo you happen to know? Thanks

1 hour ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Have you consulted with De Freitas? He’s easily one of the best in Europe. 

No, I found the process to get a consultation with him to be the most difficult. Do you happen to know the price per graft at his clinic?

10 hours ago, 5BetaReductase said:

It is true. He does in person consults all day on Fridays. However, while all his “extraction” techs are working away for hours without supervision, he’s not in the OR because he’s checking up on patients from last week and from earlier in the week. He also does his email consults during at that same time too.

 

The difference between couto/Freitas and Lorenzo is that they only do two patients a day with only one tech that extracts that’s been there for years with them. Lorenzo has 3-4 extraction techs and a hoard of other techs in the background to support 4 surgeries. And he is still significantly more expensive than any other doctor in Spain even though he is less involved. His consults Pre op are literally 5 minutes or less. His turnover for techs is very high as well. 
 

Ideally, I think a doctor needs to be involved in all steps. The more supervision, the better.

I had in-person consultations with both Dr Couto and Dr Lorenzo very recently and both consultations lasted approximately an hour. I went to Madrid for Couto, but I genuinely got better vibes from Lorenzo and thought the consultation was more thorough.

Both have quoted me €5 per graft and both have drawn very similar hairlines. But Couto said it’s 1600 grafts and Lorenzo’s is 1000 grafts. The written quote I’ve received from FUEXPERT Clinic doesn’t specify the number of grafts, just the price. I really don’t think the number he’s said is right, particularly when this video shows a lot more grafts needed than my case and it’s 100 less:

I’ve come on this forum to conduct further research before making a decision and I keep changing my mind based on what I’m reading; I do agree that 3 or 4 surgeries a day is a lot. And I see your points about the technicians being left to it. So that putting me off Lorenzo a bit too.

10 hours ago, TheGreatPretender said:

How did you get a consultation mind I ask?

All I can see is a new Website from his clinic but cant really find a way to get in touch. 

I found the email address online. It’s just info @ web address. I remember emailing and getting a response saying to email back a couple of months later when they open up their consultations window. So I did, and was then given a date for a year later. So it was roughly 14.5 months between first emailing and then having a face to face consultation (which was completely free by the way).

On 1/10/2022 at 10:15 PM, 5BetaReductase said:

This is all smoke and mirrors. In reality ive seen it multiple times overestimate graft numbers for guys and get them depleted. 
 

id stay away from Lorenzo due to the fact that he operates on 4 patients a day, very rushed. Technicians do extractions and it’s a bit of Russian roulette in terms of who you get. He also juggles consultations in the middle of surgery…a big no

The part about consultations isn’t true. He only conducts consultations on Fridays and there’s no surgery that day. Surgery days are Monday to Thursday.

3 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Dr. Lorenzo and Cuoto are excellent as well, though, I believe Lorenzo doesn’t perform extractions anymore. That may be a negative for some. Dr. Cuoto is definitely on my radar, he’s producing top-notch results on par with De Freitas in terms of visible quality. I don’t know enough about him or his clinic, other than what I’ve seen on social media, but impressive from what I’ve seen. I have more knowledge on De Freitas, so I know he’s as legit as they come. 

Dr Couto doesn’t perform extractions either. I had a consultation recently and in truth I came out feeling a little underwhelmed.

On 7/23/2020 at 5:22 AM, mustang said:

For those who are wondering, here is my hair after 13 surgeries.

 

 

 

Who did the actual hairline? Looks so natural man. Congrats on the fantastic results. Thanks for sharing!

2 hours ago, mustang said:

Vila and Ferreira are 3 EUR as well and I will put both a step above Bisanga who is 5 EUR

The price they charge has nothing to do with it, you don't need to pay more.

Any in that list will give you a great result, don't overthink. 

I’m going to guess that your list actually is in order. Thanks man 😊

3 hours ago, mustang said:

Best surgeons for me in Europe are (in no particular order)

Couto

Freitas

Ferreira

Pinto

Feriduni

Vila

Lorenzo

Mwamba

Bisanga 

HLC (Ozgur)

In North America

Feller, Rahal, Hasson and Wong.

 

 

Thanks for the quick reply man!

So you’d happily go to any of them? Is there much difference between any in the top 10?

As people have already pointed out, Mwamba is cheaper than most of the others. For 1500 grafts he would be €3000 cheaper than the ones who charge €5 per graft. I know I said money is no object, but why pay more if you don’t have to? But if you say the top 3 surgeons are in a higher class (I’m guessing you’d say Couto is number 1?) then that would make the extra cost worthwhile…

So if you don’t mind, please could you put them in order for me @mustang?

Thank you!

On 2/4/2022 at 7:56 PM, mustang said:

No, I am not joking. 

Sorry but Bisanga is no top 3 worldwide. That class belongs to the Iberians 

He is definitely on the top 10 though.

It's rather irrelevant to be honest. You will have a good result with any of them. No need to over analyze these details. They know what they are doing.

Hi @mustang

I read your own post, as well as your comments on this one. I am currently looking into clinics in Europe and wanted to know your opinion on who the best surgeon is? You’ve been to several clinics for your surgeries, although you’ve been to Dr Mwamba a number of times recently… So if cost is no object, who would you recommend for 1500 grafts?

Who are the 3 Iberians you speak of? Couto, Freitas and Lorenzo? Who else makes up the top 10 in your opinion?

Thanks in advance!