Bandit90

Oh wow - This is a fantastic result for eight months! Taken years off you. Looks like your going to be one procedure  and done as well. But donor looks in incredible shape if you ever wanted to go back and add more density! 

Just looking at your recent update. It’s surreal because you have the same progression of hair loss as I did. Similar to yours mine just seemed to thin out, wish I kept some old photos to show. It’s the first time I’ve seen another user have this pattern on HRN. Also looks like we have a very similar final hair loss pattern and hair characteristics too. I know you’ve mentioned previously that you’re not the biggest advocate of beard hair on the scalp, but I feel they could do a lot of mileage in that mid-scalp area when intelligently blended (I struggle to distinguish between scalp and beard in my midscalp), freeing up those precious scalp grafts for those humps, crown and areas just behind the temples. Fortunately, with your head shape, I don’t think you have a huge crown area to cover so this should help make those scalp grafts go further. Appreciate, that it has been a stressful couple of years for you since your first surgery and has not been the outcome that you hoped for, but genuinely wish you the best outcome in your next procedure, it's clear that you are making all the right moves within your consults.

On 3/23/2024 at 6:47 PM, shadow_god said:

If you are surprised then go through my post. They are just doing good marketing, their technicians are more or less uneducated villagers, who do a terribly mark. Sadly they only post some good results while ignore lot of HT results. They operate 20+  or far more on single day in Gurgaon clinic.

Out of all the criticisms you can put at Eugenix, their techs being terrible, is surely the last. Even the staunchest critics praise the techs. The techs all come from Dr Sethi’s village in Odisha. Though probably not the most educated, they clearly have a high work ethic and loyalty. There is no coincidence that eugenix have good donor management when they have the same two techs doing nothing but extractions for 14 years. Also, the high growth yields, are down to those techs.

I counted six OTs last month, which spread between Drs Sethi/Bansal/Das/Somesh/Vineta  I didn’t think was that bad. The 20 surgeries a day is just a nonsense claim.  

Thanks for sharing. It's nice to see some lower grades of baldness cases from Dr Pitella's patients. Your implanted density is on another level, won't be far off your pre-balding density. Are you on finasteride btw?  Happy Growing and please keep updating. 

Holy smokes - that is a lot beard hair transplanted, reminds me an old school Dr Umar case. Interesting to see how this turns out. Beard grafts generally make a good filler on the mid-scalp, but they can be limiting beyond this. That said i'm  really interested how this turns out! 

2 hours ago, wembley said:

This is going to be an incredible transformation at month 12. Eugenix is a top clinic for higher norwood cases like yours!

Thanks. Eugenix is certainly not for everyone, but they clearly have their strengths, which have served a lot patients well. 

On 3/15/2024 at 2:40 PM, Shadman said:

 

Just one month after your procedure, but you're already looking good. Recovery going strong 💪

Cheers! Just need to get through the dreaded month two peak ugly duckling stage!

On 3/15/2024 at 3:46 PM, bigmistake said:

This is a good example of hair greed. Most people would be happy with your results, but no, you seem to have an unlimited donor.

Slightly jealous, but also happy for you. 

I told myself I would never be the person with hair greed! Though, I do think the third sitting to add grafts to the crown area was needed as the area had a thinning (though natural) appearance. But the hairline & the temples work, was probably a case of hair greed, but I was comfortable using a few hundred grafts there to improve things . Spending my 20s as a slick bald Norwood 7, has probably given me a bit of a YOLO attitude towards hair restoration. Although, that said I wont be doing anymore transplant, its certainly me all done now! 

12 hours ago, Zoomster said:

Delighted for you John ..no young man or almost boy in your case should have to endure the curse of aggressive MPB.

you can say good riddance to it now Boy !!

Or you may wish to use some more parliamentary language I suspect 😂

 

 

 Thanks Karl mate - It certainly feels liberating to have rid of the MPB curse! 

Tommy, I’m seriously routing for you in this upcoming repair. It’s been frustrating to see your having to do a third surgery for your hairline when this should have been to put to bed in your previous sittings. But Dr F is a meticulous surgeon, with an eye for detail, which god willing will get this one over the line for you! I’ll be following this journey and supporting you from the sidelines!

1 hour ago, MazAB said:

Love the new shape of the hairline, and the crown, temple points, and donor are all where they should be at this stage. Looking great John!

Cheers Armen! Thanks for the reassuring nudges to go and get a widdows peak!.. i'm 18 months late to the party, but cant wait for it all this to kick in! 

1 hour ago, SLA said:

Looking AMAZING for 1 month @Bandit90!

You will get the illusion back by 3.5-4 months tops and this time will seem like nothing!

Thanks as always Adam! Just had a look over your thread, seems that 3.5 months is the safe haven! 

1 hour ago, hairman22 said:

get a zero low fade around the sides will look really good even at this stage

 I might actually do this, think it will take the edge off, good advice - cheers mate! 

2 hours ago, Melvin- Admin said:

This looks unbelievable already. Wow 🤩 

Thanks Melvin. Just need get that hair long enough to get the old illusion to kick in! 

6 minutes ago, Myles23 said:

Healing Nicely @Bandit90 and the donor is looking good already. Life passes by super quick and you'll be back to rocking that quiff in no time. 

Cheers Myles, appreciate the kind words.. . you & me both will be rocking that quiff this summer! 

Month 1 Update 

Nothing really to update , in the full-blown ugly duckling stage at the moment. I’ve opted to just let the hair keep growing, to get it back to the length where the illusion of density kicks in. I‘m certainly finding the recovery from this transplant a lot harder than the previous two, which is probably down to the fact I was enjoying having hair, and this feels like a big step back to go forward.

From what I can gather most of the shed seems to have happened. With the hair from the previous two transplants is growing in. Lots of redness from the procedure lingering, which will likely take a few months to calm down. The donor is also going through the motions and I’m just trusting the process that it will recover. Also the beard surprisingly looks ok, given there has been over 3.6k grafts taken. 

5 minutes ago, HappyMan2021 said:

A court of law is not going to get as granular as bad angles, multi grafts, etc. 

The court's litmus test is going to be "did OP get disabled from this surgery. Has OP lost wages, etc."

Also, consider we are on a hair transplant forum so naturally there is going to be an exaggerated amount ton of sympathy, support, understanding, etc. Op is preaching to the choir here lol. 

In a court of law its going to be a much less sympathetic, much more black and white litmus test

If OP had a legit claim, why isnt every botched patient suing their doctors?

OP is hardly the first botched patient to consider the legal route

Generally a court would apply the black & white litmus test of 'did the patient leave the clinic in a worse way than they arrived'.  

Here is a snippet from their website, which is frighting.  I'm also perplexed that the OP was quoted £2500  for 500 grafts, 

On 3/8/2024 at 10:59 PM, Frosted Flaked said:

Hi @SLA Thanks for the encouragement! I've seen @Bandit90 Latest photos, and he could definitely pull it off, especially after the third surgery!

 

This made me laugh hard! Ill have to wait for the graft cloning before I can approach Fabio territory. But in all seriousness, you are a really educated patient and have some realistic expectations. Its a really interesting case, because I haven't seen many SMP + FUE combos, but if your 7-day post-shed pics are anything to go off, this is going to be a solid improvement. As @SLA mentioned this is far from a failure, you have a lot to look forward to. As a fellow NW7, you really have to be in the hair restoration for the long run, and there is always the prospect of more procedures. However, with the SMP you have a solid foundation and will be able to buzz down and have the a full looking 3D effect, which takes the stress out of undertaking multiple procedures. 

This is really upsetting to read. You should seek legal counsel, you have a strong medical negligence claim. as a minimum I would seek damages for the cost of a repair by a competent surgeon. I would also report this to General Medical Council, as there is strong lack of confidence in this surgeons ability to perform hair restoration. Sadly, you have been used as a guinea pig by this doctor to practise on. 

Keep strong mate, you are in the right community here, and you will be well advised to get this fixed. 

37 minutes ago, Vamdev said:

How about Technicians?

I actually asked Dr Pradeep about this, as I was considering having my Surgery done in Mumabi. I believe that both the doctors and techs rotate between the three clinics, with Delhi being their main base. 

I had a dental implants fitted about six weeks after my 1st transplant, which included x-rays. Didn't have any issue with graft survival. However, you should always run past your doctor/dentist. I remember  my dentist telling me once that a dental xray radiation exposure is similar to that you would get on a long haul flight. 

7 hours ago, Buffaloboy said:

John, you look amazing. Congratulations!

Ah Cheers Mate   

Nice early growth happening! Showing the making of a top result! 

20 minutes ago, Alexandre Valentim Aledi said:

Yes, I'm using oral minoxidil. All the grafts were taken from my donor area itself, without using the beard. Thank you very much

You must have a very good donor! My 10 cents worth.. I do think you should take a DHT blocker like finasteride.  You still have a ton of native hair which needs protecting, you dont want to run the risk of the native midcalp thinning out and having a very dense surrounding transplanted area, which would could give the appearance of a diffuse thinning pattern. 

Looking great Adam, good early improvement happening between month 3 & 4, showing all the makings of being a killer result!  Never actually appreciated how good that cowlick is on you hairline is, until I saw this update. BTW If you wanted to take edge off the slow growing crown, you could even start to throw a few fibres in there. But keep hanging in there, the fun will start soon! 

Wow, now that is dense! Are you on meds? Also are the 7k grafts all from the scalp, or did you use beard? No doubt this going to look amazing once all grown in.  Happy growing and please keep us updated. 

1 hour ago, BlueSkyDay said:

Hello Mr Bandit

 

actually the reasons I gave are exactly what Dr Reddy said .

The damage and wastage is the main reason - per Dr Reddy

The point i'm making is actually irrespective of hair yield. There are certain surgeons, who can very skilfully make the amount of grafts go further, with Dr Konior being the classic example of this. So what i'm trying to say... compare Dr Reddy vs an average Hair Mill surgeon, both implant 2k grafts (both with a 99+% yield), i'm saying that Dr Reddy results would have more coverage, because of skilfully being able to determine the minimum amount of grafts required to conceal the scalp. 

From  your posted response from Dr  Reddy, i'm not convinced that he is getting a 100% higher yield than a less experienced surgeon who uses forceps over choi implanter pens. On face value it appears an exaggerated claim.