BurnieBurns

Totally you should still go to Turkey for a Holiday. Biggest point for your HT journey is you shouldn't limit yourself by location. I guarantee there are good surgeons out there who could see you before December 2023

I honestly would forget getting a HT in Turkey. You've clearly gone about this the wrong way.

Fact is 95% of clinics there will butcher you and your risking an awful result. You need to go back to basics and research surgeons themselves, get multiple consultations, actually speak with the doctor, then make a shortlist. You cannot rush something that will affect you lifelong.

There are a couple of decent surgeons in Turkey but most of them do NOT have your interests at heart and just run a money making scheme 

Have you thought much about FUT or FUE? Konior is almost guaranteed to recommend FUT in your case

5 minutes ago, jr1986 said:

Well I'm making my own by crushing pills. Current recipe is 5ml ethanol, 5ml propolyne glycol, and 2 ml distilled water. I then crush 3 1mg finasteride and add to the 12ml solution and shake well and leave fir a while. I am applying 2ml per night which is 0.5mg of finasteride each time.

What makes me doubt its doing anything is complete lack of any sides and my scalp is itchy where I'm thinning.

When I use oral my scalp settled pretty quickly and I was only microdosing using 1/6th of a pill every second day. Its a tiny dose but enough to calm the scalp. It was also enough to cause brain fog and get rid of morning wood. 

Maybe my topical is working (I'm still using) it's only been about 7 weeks

Interesting. There's something to be said for propylene glycol irritating the scalp rather that DHT. Either way, it really sounds worth trying  a topical finasteride rcompounded properly rather than jumping into 'alternatives'.

You also need to give it a proper 6 months. If after then you haven't lost more hair, that is an absolute win.

The vast majority of issues with topical finasteride is that it still causing systemic issues rather than effectiveness. For some however, topical very much does reduce systemic absorption enough for people to avoid side effects

Just because a device is shrouded in secrecy doesnn't mean it's anything novel.

Dr. Zarev is is simply a master at extracting micro FUE, across the whole scalp while preserving the appearance, and good on him. It really boils down to something that simple

What sticks out to me is when you said you didn't think topical finasteride was working?

There's little reason to believe it wouldn't. Can you give specifics?

OP I understand people have limited budgets, and please understand I'm criticising your process rather than you personally.

BUT for the love of god, no one should ever be asking: 'What clinic should I go to in Turkey?'. 

Budgets aside it's crazy to limit yourself to one location. It's even CRAZIER if that one location is a place there 99% of HT clinics have a high chance of butchering, over-harvesting and leaving you with a horrifically unnatural hairline, and that's IF you're lucky enough for it to grow. These places routinely do rushed 5000 graft FUE's by untrained staff, ALL in a way to maximise profit against your best interests. How do they keep getting people? Advertising and Social media that's convince all these victims that Turkey is 'The best place to go'. PLEASE don't be one of those victims

COST and LOCATION are the two LAST aspects your need to focus on before finalising your choice.

Yes, there are a couple of skilled, ethical surgeons in Turkey, but if you end up going with them, it should NOT be BECAUSE they're in Turkey!

As @Gatsby mentioned above, do you your research and save up. You need to have have ZERO doubts in left in your mind before you finalise your choice. Ideally, you'd do this for at least a year.

It's also critical learn about treatment to prevent continued loss. From your pictures, you're on track to be at least a Norwood 6. This is advanced level of Baldness, 

Even with treatment, there's no guarantees you'll stop your hair loss for life. Only an ethical and skilled HT surgeon will provide a sensible, and balanced recommendation.

These surgeons are small minority sadly, and the sooner you know this the better.

I'm passionate about this because I've been a victim before, however I'm SO thankful it was only a small procedure. This gave me a second chance to go the right way,

Yesterday I had my repair surgery with an elite surgeon who mentioned the number of consultations he's had with people overharvested from Hairmills (not only in Turkey), who have broken down in tears from hearing the bitter reality that they cannot be fixed. It's terribly sad this has become the epidemic it has but please don't be one of them.

Ignore the advertising / Hype / Testimonials. Do this the smart way and your future self will thank you.

6 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said:

Thank you for the answer. Did you have unshaven surgery at H&W? I only heard the rumour for this particular case. 

My op is tomorrow haha. It’s an FUT so I’ll do what they recommend 

Hasson and Wong do NOT have techs doing incisions.

They increased their pricing recently as all clinics eventually do

23 hours ago, Tommy1991 said:

Thanks, yeah it seems pretty much like an identical issue.

I spent years looking for a possible repair doctor candidate with the credentials for repairs, Dr Cooley, Dr Feridini, Dr Wong and Eugenix was my shortlist.. 

dr Cooley whom I visited twice whilst in Charlotte, he outright told me he would not be 100% comfortable with doing my repair but he would be confident to make an improvement. 
Dr Feridini had a huge waiting list…. 
dr Wong wanted to cut my head off 😂 (excision of the hairline) which I really didn’t want but he was pretty confident of a great final result. I was not willing to go for it. 

In the end, I went with Eugenix based on their repair cases I viewed and the expertise of Dr Arika and the video consultation. 

look there is no way I am convinced this will be a bad result at all, Dr Arika overseen this whole procedure and performed most of it herself. I am really confident about everything that has been done, But just this fact bugs me because it was not done and not addressed to me I suppose. 
 

if you’ve had yours filled since it would be interesting to see? I quickly viewed your profile but did not find anything on it.  Cheers! 

 

What do you mean by Dr Wong wanted to cut your head off?? I'm getting repaired with him next week.

Also, thanks for sharing your honest experience about this clinic

A clinic Bering ‘friendly’ does not mean they know what they’re doing..

I was suckered in by a butcher with great bedside manner

23 minutes ago, Der3k7 said:

I think with this surgery and daily use of for hims I have a good shot of achieving that photoshopped look on my pic above.

im 30 years old now 

Just so you know the hims topical finasteride I could amount of it will go systemic.

Wow.. I get the need to making income from the patients but paying the same price when you might be using less than half the product is kind of ridiculous. 

I'm talking someone doing MWF instead of daily

There are some pretty insane regrowth cases in MTF transitioning. Definitely the right move to avoid Aus/NZ.. I got butchered by one here

Nice man, I'm also seeing Dr Wong in November. Apparently he's the man for diffuse thinners

Finasteride side effects are not all psychological. Nocebo is real too but that does not mean they're mutually exclusive

2 hours ago, toasteroven said:

I consulted with Mohebi, Panine, Vories, Turan, Shapiro, Bicer, Nadimi, Wong.

I was honestly just hoping for two to say the same thing!

Do you want to share what each of them said? Are you also set on FUE?

8 hours ago, FollicleFella said:

Yeah I’ll probably try the topical once enough time has lapsed post surgery to attempt it.

What other “less robust” modalities are you referring to?

I’m sure you’ll have a great result/experience there if you’ve never been before. Anecdotally I found out today when I went in for a wash that many of the techs have been with the practice for 10-15+ years.

 

 

As least you're aware that multiple further surgeries are down the line. Other treatments would be minoxidil (especially oral), Ketoconazole, PRP (IF it's from a reputable source. There's a lot of plain 'Money-grabs' out there for this treatment.

Apparently Topical Dutasteride is meant to go less systemic than topical fin. Xyon should be releasing a version of that too. There's also Pyrilutamide that can be purchased on the grey market but still has studies to back its safety.

7 hours ago, FollicleFella said:

@BurnieBurns

I’m not on any medication and so you may be correct! Hoping the loss stabilizes at a point where the total result will hold strong for a good long while (if I can get 5-7 years out of this one I’ll be mighty happy). I’m planning on getting multiple procedures in my life knowing that what you say is true.

I did talk with Dr. Wong about this and obviously they recommend medication to anyone looking to secure as much hair as possible but if someone has a bad experience with sides to the point of discontinuation then what can you really say/do. I tried lowering the dosage, staggering intake, etc so I’m amendable to figuring out a way to make it work. The clinic offers a topical fin solution that I’m open to trying a bit further on in the healing process to see if I have a better go with that.

It's very rare for hair loss (especially diffuse thinning) to halt in your early thirties. It's absolutely worth trying topical. There's also modalities of treatment which won't be as robust but something is better than nothing. Looks like fine work either way. I'm having surgery with Dr Wong in November.

Look like great work and the result will be amazing temporarily.. You are on no preventative treatments now?

Your existing hair will continue to thin and in time the result won't look very good at all. Did you discuss this with Dr Wong?

3 hours ago, Doood25 said:

Good to know thanks. So u would consider going to him over path? Also how do they stack up w the elites?

I don't know enough about them to comment fairly. Dr Path I know has been around a long time and appears to be well respected by great surgeons

2 hours ago, ZeeMan said:

Hello,

I'm planning on getting a HT later this year, and currently on Fin + Rogian + LaserCap.

I'll stop the Rogain 30-days prior to the HT, do I need to do the same with LaserCap and stop using it? 

Kind regards.

Never heard of any doctor saying to stop using a lasercap in advance of HT

There are tons of Hasson and Wong reviews on this forum. Just search their names.

If you're wanting a larger surgery, Hasson and Wong might be better.

The waiting list is smaller because they do up to 4 patients per day.

13 minutes ago, Spring15 said:

I'm from New Zealand too, I can't believe you went to a surgeon here!!! Price the same as the top surgeons in Europe/USA , yet results on par with a Turkish mill

Find a quality surgeon overseas get it repaired

I have one booked for November at Hasson and Wong. 
My god.. what the one here thinks they can get away with is beyond shameful