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6 hours ago, manjodabanjo said:

Couple questions for you all:
1. Opinion on the hairline design
2. Does it actually look like 2,800 grafts?
3. Does donor extraction look generally symmetrical? Any additional thoughts on donor management 

 

1. Design looks nice and appropriate. Not seeing any issues there.

2. Always very, very difficult to tell to be honest unless there's something obviously amiss, which there doesn't seem to be in your case. If it's not 2,800 grafts, then it can't be too far off.

3. Too soon to say but everything looks nicely spaced from the pictures you've provided here.

19 hours ago, Mitu Allogenic said:

Why should not be for real? My case was presented in a medical magazine. Just google Allogenic hair transplant. Surgery was in Romania.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10521806/

I will come with photos if there is any interes. But I am not agree with ethical issue. I have a disease and this was an option. I consider sharing my case could really help some other ppl.

 

It's an ethical issue in the vast majority of cases because it risks serious harm to the recipient patient. Your case is very unique (and fascinating!) as you were already taking immunosuppressants prior to the HT, mitigating that same risk that others would be subject to. That's the critical difference in your case it would seem.

Would be great if you could share more photos and details with us.

1 hour ago, Apk0214 said:

still have some of the grafts intact at around 6-7 weeks and I guess the thought is that the new hairs growing below would cause inflammation by pushing on the transplanted hairs, but I would think they would just push them out naturally?

Still not sure I follow. Some of the grafts never shed, which is normal and a nice little bonus. The ones that did shed will start to emerge in due course. Those that will start to grow out will not impact upon the ones that didn’t shed, and I’ve never heard it be suggested that this could cause inflammation. 
 

That said, it’s not uncommon for newly transplanted hairs to irritate the scalp to some degree given that ultimately they are a foreign body. But that’s a bridge you cross if & when you come to it. 

I’m not sure I fully understand what your doctor is recommending you do, but as far as I’m aware it’s just a waiting game. The hair will shed in the first 4-6 weeks post op and then start to grow back in from 3 months onwards. There’s nothing you can do to alter the speed of that process and I personally wouldn’t be messing around trying. 
 

Who is your surgeon?

3 minutes ago, aforali98 said:

Man i really wouldn’t want to mess with anything related to my sexual life as im preparing my self to get married 🥲 and i wouldn’t know if its affecting it or not till i consume the marriage (im muslim and virgin), thats scares me the most…

the side effects are same even if you take the topical route?

 

man i really don’t want to get used to this look, i miss my hair and i wouldn’t want to look like this from so young age

You can always just put the finasteride on hold for now. 
 

As for buzz cut versus your current hairloss - a buzzcut will obviously look better than visibly balding, so if you’ve buzzed down two days ago you’re in a better place than you were there days ago just by cutting your hair differently. 
 

Once you’ve done whatever you need to do marriage-wise, you can then try the medical intervention. The other option is to not take medication at all and still get a HT, but you’ll likely be look at two or three transplants needed and you’ll really want to make sure you’re going to a top doctor who can plan for the long term with you. This won’t come cheap or quickly. 

1 hour ago, aforali98 said:

i just buzzed my head 2 days ago.
What are the common side effects of these medicines to know if i can tolerate them or not?
While using these, should i have my hair buzzed or its more or less efective while having some hair on my head applying those?

 

Thanks in advance to everyone.

Side effects aren’t common, but the ones to watch out for would be any kind of sexual side effect or general low mood with finasteride. 
 

It doesn’t really make a difference whether you keep your hair short or not as far as the medication goes. Buzzing your hair and keeping it that way for a while is really so you can get used to that look and routine. If you like it, great - you’ve saved yourself a lot of money and a lifetime of medication. 

7 hours ago, Gatsby said:

There are though some multi grafts in the temples and hairline however.

I was about to post the same. The hairline design and irregularities are really, really nice, so it's a bit of a shame to see so many multigraft hairs where they shouldn't be as this would be a 10/10 result otherwise. The soft native hairs being left at the front is a nice touch indeed.

14 hours ago, aforali98 said:

What are my best options if anyone could take some time to help, im already lost.

I know my donor area aint the best, if i need to take on medication to imporve it or get PRP done?

finasteride or minoxidil, if any of those, which one?

As i live in spain, doctors visits may take some time (i will still take the route)

just in case, what are the steps i can take right now to get going till that, take pills vitamin c or any of the options mentioned above?

 

thanks

Forget PRP - won’t do anything. A multi vitamin won’t hurt you but it’s not going to save your hair either. 
 

Finasteride over minoxidil if you only want to take one medication, but both is always better in combination. You’ve got oral & topical options for each, with oral being more effective. The key is to see if you can tolerate the meds without any side effects and, if so, stick to them long term. 
 

The other thing if you haven’t already is to just buzz that hair off and rock it. It’ll look far better than the balding look, and you may like it enough to move on without having take medication and put yourself through more than one expensive surgery. It’s risk free, cheap and convenient (and universally looks good), so should be done first as part of the process. 

Sweating won't be an issue two months after the transplant. As far as swimming goes, you'll be fine if you a) keep sun exposure to a minimum, b) use factor 50 suncream as a precaution on your head for those times when your hat will be off. So don't spent a long amount of time in the pool or sea and you'll be fine. Basically just simple common sense stuff.

Love the hairline design and can’t wait to see the results. Happy growing. 

16 minutes ago, skyler said:

Like you just said PRP isn't for permanent hair loss I agree. It's for exactly what you're describing is it not?

I don’t see why PRP would necessarily work for temporary hair loss either. Like I said, if the cause of temporary loss is known (stress, for eg), then reducing or eliminating that stress will be key to hair recovery. 
 

If you have robust evidence that PRP is a reliable and testable remedy to stress induced or “vax-induced rapid aging” hair loss, I’d be keen to read it. If not, then I don’t see the basis for parting with a decent sum of money for it. 

This isn’t even a comparison in terms of quality of result: Smile will leave you with a pluggy hairline as they always do, whereas Eugenix produce overwhelmingly great work. Eugenix isn’t without its issues, and the clinic has been extensively reviewed on here over the last few years so they are very easy to research - worts and all - but if it’s Eugenix or 99% of what you’ll find in Turkey then it’s no contest. 
 

But why only those two clinics? What criteria narrowed it down to just those?

Can you share some high resolution close ups of the hairline so we can see the level of detail and refinement? The growth looks very good, which isn’t uncommon for lower cost Turkish clinics. Where most of them fall down however is by putting multiple graft hairs in the hairline. The only close-ish hairline pic you shared looks like it has multis, however that may just be the lighting. 

5 minutes ago, aforali98 said:

 

I dont know, it could be 3-5k or even more if its really necessary to get more permanent good results. 

You’re likely going to need at something close to 5,000 grafts - and even that would require a bit of compromise in terms of coverage/density. You might get away with fewer grafts, but again it really depends on how much coverage you want to achieve in a single surgery. 
 

So even if you went with a good lower cost option like HDC in Cyprus at €2.2 per graft, you’re looking at around €11K plus travel costs for 5,000 grafts. 
 

You have good lower cost options in Thailand and India to consider as well, but in your case I’d certainly be looking to budget upwards of €10K in order to keep the better options on the table. 

2 hours ago, aforali98 said:

I dont know, all you hear is about turkey, is there any better option? I live in Spain, i said money isn’t the issue but here is a lot more expensive.

99% of the Turkish market is absolutely terrible. 
 

What is your maximum budget? This will help us figure out where and what is realistic for you. 

As the others have said, do not rush into a surgery in Turkey because you happen to be there. That would be a very stupid way to go about getting a life-long surgery on your head.

That said, what dates are you going to be in Turkey? If it's in the next couple of month, you're not likely to be able to make a booking with a good clinic at short notice. If it's next year, you'll have time to do some proper research at least.

49 minutes ago, aforali98 said:

i dont have issue with money, i just want good results.

Then why would you limit yourself to Turkey?

1 minute ago, Wahad said:

Thank you. I understand. I selected Yaman but the guy in charge over whatsapp was all over the place. I selected the date. He told me to book the flights, send him my flight ticket and everything. I went ahead and did that then he proceeds to tell me that day cant happen because Turkey will be celebrating EID and they were on holiday. So I booked the flight and everything.  He told me to find another date, I told him I already paid for the flight. he wouldnt respond. I wasnt sure what to do. So I took that as a sign to not go there. 

Which is fine - I'm not really asking why you didn't go to Yaman. I'm asking why would you ignored loads of advice to avoid Hermest? I'm genuinely curious why you ignored that advice. Clearly something I said or other people said didn't land with you, so maybe the messaging was wrong. Would be useful to know as clearly our collective warnings to you were not very effective!

2 minutes ago, Wahad said:

This was done at Hermest Hair Clinic in Istanbul

Curious. You were advised to avoid Hermest but went anyway? I know you were considering Yaman and could tell immediately that you'd gone elsewhere. What I'm seeing is a hairline that looks very linear and lacking irregularities. We know with Hermest that you will also liekly have multiple hair grafts in the hairline. Linear hairlines with few irregularities and multi grafts won't look very natural, which is why you were advised to avoid at all costs. I'm hoping for the best for you, but I'm also at a loss to understand why you ignored quality advice from the very forum you sought advice from in the first place...

Who was the surgeon/clinic?

You don't wash your head until day 7 or 8 when the scabs will be ready to be removed. What you should do is keep the scalp moist through regularly saline spray so that things don't over harden.

On 4/11/2024 at 8:56 AM, Jay Dunman said:

You're talking to the wrong people on this forum lol pretty sure 98% of us would donate our time and money to a doctor willing to use verteporforin on us. Hence the eagerness of most of us. We're desperately waiting for a green light to go do it ourself. But why 2 years to see a micro trial again? This is beyond rationale and like I said, fundraising is a thing whether you want to believe it or not. Having a trial and passing it off as successful can be manipulated into huge sums of money 

Cutting edge science is almost always by definition very slow, cautious and careful, with lots of hurdles and barriers to overcome that lay people watching from the sidelines will not be privy to. This level of impatience serves no one. If verteporfin actually works to either reduce visible scarring or regenerate a portion of previously extracted follicles (or both!), then it needs to be demonstrated in a testable, repeatable, robust way before it will become adopted at all, let alone widely.

Dr B's "micro trial" as you put it is perfectly in accordance with scientific study in all the major disciplines. You don't do experiments in biology by looking out the window at the trees and insects and try to figure out what's going on. You get down a cellular level and work upwards. Same in physics, chemistry etc (atoms, molecules, matter etc).

Dr B is just one man, doing his best to do this the right way. It will take time. Ideally a few more interested surgeons can participate and help to speed up the learning curve to see if vert can actually offer benefits of any kind to HT patients in the future.

For now I wouldn't putting much stock in having this used commonly for a good few years.

5 minutes ago, skyler said:

 

Well it's thinning very evenly, it is looking like a bit stress-induced shedding, and may be lacking a bit of nutrients. I think the vax-induced rapid aging or whatever the hell that causes your own body to wear down quickly in terms of bloodflow/white blood cells. To think poor bloodflow could be the cause is something PRP would fix significantly from repeated therapy. This isn't DHT induced nor hormonal, i would think her Testosterone to Estrogen levels are normal, even though she just got off birth control which she took for 10 years elevating her normal estrogen levels significantly so those may not have reset back to baseline. Therefor MAYBE her T levels are slightly elevated and not accouunted for resulting in a bit of DHT androgen induced follicle shrinkage

Has she been stressed? Stress related hair loss will usually recover once the stress itself is addressed. PRP won't outdo stress. I've no idea what "vax-induced rapid aging" is, or what the medical basis for this is, or what vaccinations you're referring to specifically, but again, even if this were the case, I'm not seeing how PRP would be an antidote. There's simply no good evidence that PRP works for hair loss at all as far as I'm aware.

3 minutes ago, SeanT1 said:

I'm still wondering why there was an extra cost however.

I can't speak on the clinic's behalf but typically no-shave HT's take a bit longer and are just a bit trickier in general. Maybe the reduced graft count eliminated a discount that would normally be triggered for slightly higher grafts as I'd guess there's probably a minimum rate the clinic needs to make on any surgery to make it financially viable for that day. Again I don't know for sure, but these are some business considerations that could influence the price.

1 minute ago, skyler said:

Ya but it's not the same males vs females. I'd never do it, waste of time. Unless directly before or after surgery to help with healing. But thinning is different and obviously she doesnt have male pattern baldness whatever, males+females they're different. Not for me, for her. I think it's legit for females suffering from what I believe she could be here in this case (she took 5 vaxes) im unvaxed i dont worry about thinning from my own body eating itself

That's all a bit vague to be honest. What is the issue your partner is having with her hair? And what makes you think PRP will resolve it?

2 hours ago, SeanT1 said:

I'll repost once the scabs are off and I'm able to untangle my hair from tails.

One of the disadvantages of doing an unshaved surgery is that by having to tie your hairline up, it's slightly more guesswork in terms of matching all the angles/directions of the newly implanted hairs with the existing hair than it would have been shaved. Shaved down, your existing hair angles/direction would have been clear and easier to replicate. I was a bit surprised you went down the no shave route to be honest, especially after you were told it would cost extra and that they wouldn't go into the forelock as much to add density.