harin

Excellent results, looks natural. Donor looks good too. Congratulations @Zoomster

@Gatsby, my sincere apologies that I hardly visit the forum now-a-dayz and thus the delay in responding to your query about the Eugenix and @DrPradeep and @arika9ab, I tend to stay busy given the current COVID - 19 times.

you are very lucky in the sense that your SMP does really look great and it suits you well (shape of the head as well), I think the person who did the SMP has done excellent job. From these pictures I really cannot tell that you have lost much hair, looks like u have shaven out of choice!.

Given this you need to decide whether you really want to got for HT or not?. If you do  go for it then expectation needs to be managed beforehand. I am not a HT expert but being a naturally inquisitive physician myself have learnt quite a bit, only one thing I can confidently tell you is that there are very few doctors who can do the justice to high Norwood folks and in my opinion probably @DrPradeep and @arika9ab are at the very top.

I do have difficulty in figuring out how your donor density is?. How many of those dots are from SMP and what percentage represents real hair follicles?, how thick is the beard when grown out?, beard hairs can be wiry and may not be suitable for everyone.

You do have a large area to be covered and there are permutations and combinations doctors need to work on and this judgement could only be made via in-person consultation in my humble opinion.

If after the in-person consultation you feel that your expectations are met with, then you certainly could go ahead with HT, and I strongly believe that you would be in THE best hand in the business, they are also very compassionate and very professional couple as well.

Good luck with your decision and your results. again apologies for delayed response.

(for those who have sent me messages, I check my private messages less often now-a-dayz, will respond as time permits, I am happy if I am of some help at-least to some folks here in their journey).

this will be a great home run, 2 more months. Good luck.

Dear Melvin,

Given the COVID-19 superbug, i have been superbusy with the task force, may the prayers be with all infected individuals.

But dropped in here to say that my experience has been nothing BUT WONDERFUL with Eugenix, both with Dr. Pradeep Sethi and Dr. Arika Bansal.

Both are HIGHLY skilled with exceptional results to show, beng able to talk to their patients, verify their results, so many excellent cases with excellent results on this forums and elsewhere.

THEY DESERVE THIS COVETED MEMBERSHIP OF THE COALITION.

I am sorry and my apologies that i have been so busy as a physician, but believe me it took me lots of time to find a perfect HT doctor...tons of meticulous research as a physician I am a bit nit picky.....but only one clinic hit all those points....Eugenix, and after meeting with Drs. Pradeep and Arika and having been MORE THAN satisfied with results which have been lifechanging.....I recommend them very, very highly.

I hope moderators and leaders consider this endorsement by a highly satisfied patient of Dr. Sethi and Dr. Bansal,.

Warmest regards,

Harin.

7 hours ago, ahmedabad_guy said:

Slight numbness is still there paddy.texture of hair is slightly different then native hair i hope with time it all blends well

It will take time for texture to blend in, for me it took close to 12-14 months. So hang in there. Next 2 -3 months you should start seeing some good growth.

You will start noticing growth with in next 45-60 days and it will thicken further by 6th month mark, happy days ahead, enjoy the growth. Congratulations again. Consider trimming with No 2 clipper after few weeks, makes ugly duckling phase tolerable.

On 7/5/2019 at 12:09 PM, elicochin said:

Hi @harin

Very excited and encouraged to read your HT journey which is nothing short of a fairy-tale. It's also very timely because I am currently considering Eugenix in India. I am 52 so looking for an age appropriate receded hairline with an option to wear hair short if possible. Dr. Arika Bansal has been very helpful in discussing options. She thinks my donor looks good and can yield 1500 - 1800 grafts and beard can yield another 3500 grafts with a total of 3500 - 3800 combined grafts. Suggested recipient Breakdown below (two days procedure):

• Temporal points: 180 to 200 each side...approx. 400 totals
• Hairline: approx. 400
• Frontal scalp behind hairline...approx. 1500
• Midscalp: Rest of the grafts...approx. 1600

Any suggestion and opinion based on your experience will be greatly appreciated. I also welcome comments from other valuable members on this forum. Link to my situation below:

Thank you.

@elicochin, I am not a HT specialist, though assessment by Dr. Arika sounds reasonable. You do have limited donor so combo scalp plus BHT (beard, chest etc) would have to be used. In my personal opinion it is possible to achieve a good cosmesis with such combo HT. Just as in my case I hope yours would turn out to be a positive experience as well. In my opinion you have chosen the right HT specialist. Good luck with the HT.

excellent results by the way as usual by Eugenix team.

NOT dramatic altercation ...........should read dramatic ALTERATION, please spell and grammar check before posting, thanks.

On 5/11/2019 at 12:16 PM, Looking for HT said:

Hey mate. Would be good to know your experience and which option did you go for.

I got it done few years ago. (Nov, 2015) so at that time there were no options like they have now. Dr. Arika and Dr. Pradeep did a lot of work on my scalp including harvesting and designing and punching holes etc..etc..Looking at the website I do not think any of those options would be a bad idea. The clinic takes pride in their work and I am sure they will do good by you.

Already such a great transformation, one thing is for sure, beard hair will soften over time (2 years or so) and will blend in more as time goes by.

Given where you started this is an excellent example of how to blend scalp hairs with beard hairs. Well done Dr. Sethi and Dr. Bansal.

Wait for 6 more months, the density might improve somewhat. This is a bit early to take a final call on this HT.

2500 is way too less number of grafts for the area being covered, again as many have mentioned you will require supplemental body hair transplants to achieve higher density. Do post your beard and chest area pictures grown out if possible.

If at 1 year to 14 months results remain the same and if you desire further density then consider sending your pictures to suitable surgeons. (forum seniors are here to guide you).

Often there will be ''some'' improvement in density between 6-12 months, I am praying for your results. Good luck.

Very neat work, happy growing.

9 hours ago, spex said:

Personally I like the aisle but I'm over 6ft. It really make no difference what seat you get man. Comfort is important though. Some clinics recommend sparing saline but its not a deal breaker if you don't in my opinion. ( had 13 Hair transplants ) 

As long as possible to allow unhindered healing. Minimum 10days/2 weeks

 

Regards

Spex

agree, however if you are traveling within few days of HT then I would not choose an aisle seat. I did travel on day 5 or 6 after my final day of transplant (last session done after couple weeks of first sessions). I had no issues. Though I personally would NOT choose Aisle seat, its just me that I worry about people walking past the aisle might accidentally bump my head. No other reason. Having said that the plan of spreading the HT sessions over a period of few weeks helped me heal quickly. Plus got me the results I wanted. Good luck with your procedure.

4 hours ago, ahmedabad_guy said:

Hello Guys,

Today is my seventh day after Hair Transplant. I will be uploading my pics after my first head wash soon.

Experience with Eugenix:

I have stayed at Eugenix (In House Staying Facility) for 3 days after my HT. It’s good that I have stayed there because on the second day I bumped into a wall accidentally and one of my graft came out. Dr Sethi fixed it straightaway. I am in constant touch with Dr Sethi & Nelson (Counselor) since then. This is the best thing about Dr Sethi and his team, once you are there, they treat you like family member and they make sure they looked after you well. For example, on the second day after my surgery Dr Sethi took me and another patient who came from Chicago to one wonderful restaurant for dinner in Gurgaon. I mean this is very rare that Doctor taking you for Dinner, this shows that when it comes to hospitality, they will go to any extent to make sure you are very well looked after. Most of the patients I met during my stay, all told me one common thing they came to Eugenix because one of their colleagues, friend or relative had surgery done here and they are impressed with the results that is why they have chosen Eugenix. This shows their biggest source of business is word of mouth plus I have noticed at Eugenix every staff member goes out of their way to help you in any assistance you need during your stay. They try to build relationship with patients not just for one surgery, but they make sure if anything goes wrong, they are there to take responsibility and to fix it. Also, I noticed that their huge team is only doing hair transplant job and no other cosmetic practice. They all are focused with one pointedness to provide great results and the doctors are busy putting down their head only in doing great work to produce great results and giving great experiences to patients.

Now, I know why patients who had their surgery done with Dr Sethi or Dr Bansal in past were always praising Eugenix so much. It is all because Eugenix treats you like family members.   

I also met some of their Ex-Patients who had surgery done and they had fantastic growth. Hope my results turns out to be same as them.

Cost:

Since last few months lot of members on this forum were either confused about Eugenix pricing or had incorrect information. There is some good news for all those people. Eugenix have published their prices on their website.

https://www.eugenix.in/cost-of-hair-transplant.html

So true, even now he is in constant touch, wonderful and caring doctor.

https://www.eugenix.in/cost-of-hair-transplant.html

So the prices are very competitive and the pricing is very transparent. With Exclusive package you get two days of stay and food complementary, I guess beyond two days you can extend the stay with reasonable price.

So now tell me how is this double the cost of other clinic, this is exceptionally great price for such wonderful clinic whch has as you all admit exceptional results in high Norwood cases. 

Temples, Whorl on the crown and Hairline are aesthetically important areas. I like the overall theme, it is all well explained. 

Very nice, excellent results. Very aesthetic.

On 4/27/2019 at 8:31 AM, ahmedabad_guy said:

I have just had my transplant 3 days ago with dr Pradeep Sethi. I can confirm that they don’t have two different pricing structure for Indians and non Indians. They do offer different packages depending on which doctor you choose for your surgery. They will be publishing price on their website in next few days.

I have been trying to make folks understand the same, my experience has been nothing but great.

2 hours ago, HLPToronto said:

Thanks Harin !

I assumed at that time ( which still stands true in my opinion) that DHT is cumbersome process/slightly more expensive than traditional FUE. Additionally, Eugenix was offeing 2 day/night free stay and 3 meals a day for both days.... so it kinda made sense why they were expensive..... 

I asked them actually if they offer FUE and DHT both and is this why my quote is more than 100 Rs per graft ( I researched and 100 Rs per graft counts as one of the most expensive rate for Indian market ) 

their answer ( i mean patient rep; satakshi wasn't clear ) this made me proceed with Dr Bhatti instead 

But I do have great regard for all top notch surgeons, especially those which are recommended here on this site and all over India, only 7 surgeons are .... so we can easily pick and choose as per our heart beats  my gut pushed me towards Dr Bhatti and until now, I dont have any regrets... seems like I was in great hands, one of the best pre/post op care and very good staff as well !  I am only waiting for results to speak more !

Yes, they provide 2 nights free stay if you book their package and also pick up from the airport as well as drop off....in short end to end service. DHT slight;ly differs in for the fact that slits are made first then grafts are harvested and immediately implanted. In transplant terms (solid organ) we call it as ''Cold ischemic Time''....lower the cold ischemic time..less grafts are lost. (same is true in solid organ trans plants eg: more than 4 hours of cold ischemic time for transplanted hearts increases the rate of rejection).

This is also the reason that grafts grow faster with DHT...., at least most of mine grew by 6-7 months time.

I hope your results turn out great, praying for your results. Good luck.

32 minutes ago, HLPToronto said:

Harin, I was quoted almost double than Dr. Bhatti. I have email exchanges.

Moreover, when I specifically asked for Pre and post op medicines, they said they don't give any pre op medicine and I'll have to buy my own post op medicines.  

 4000 to 5000 grafts - Eugenix quoted me  ( the window was large as well ) 

Dr. Bhatti quoted me almost half and 3500 Grafts ( In the end, I got 3300 done  - this is called fair assessment ) 

I wrote my detailed thread with some positives/negatives to help future potential patients.... you can have a read ! and yes, it is based on facts ( that I researched first hand ) 

Good to know, then present it here, provided you are comparing apples to apples then either Eugenix will have to provide answer why it is charging double then!, sometimes it might be worth paying the premium, specially if you are a high Norwood person. I am glad you had your HT with Dr. Bhatti, whom i respect a lot, I hope and pray for your excellent growth.

7 hours ago, Torip said:

Harin, 

With Dr. Bhatti you could get a surgery for about $0.85 = INR 59 per FU. I was told by Eugenix that their pricing for surgeries performed by Dr. Sethi,  it is INR Rs.120 = $ 1.73 per FU. Isn’t that twice as expensive as Dr. Bhatti? And also there is 18% tax on these charges. So that makes Dr. Sethi's price to be  about $2 per FU.  Please speak to Eugenix and ask whether that is not what they are quoting. I would really appreciate it if you could influence Eugenix to lower their prices...and bring down their prices to affordable level of Indians.

Isn't it a bit misinforming that you quote the price without actually quoting the restrictions within the quote?, here is the link to Darling buds.

https://darlingbuds.com/hair-transplant-cost

Max wait for 0.87$ is approximately 15 days, if you want the date of your choice then it is 1.5$ which is approximately 105 rupees. How is that the double by Eugenix?. As far as I understand Eugenix will have lower prices depending upon the involvement of Dr. Pradeep and Dr. Arika, I will message them to review this post and post here when their website is updated with price listings.

Work looks pretty good, i think you will have very good results, patient is now the key till it all grows in by 8-12 months. Good luck.

12 hours ago, Torip said:

Harin, 

I am quoting my personal experience. I called up Eugenix and enquired about their pricing. My comments are based on data and not hypothetical. Though I have no idea on different pricing for foreigners and Indians. I am having a genuine conversation here..relevant to the topic. Unlike you I am a regular hair seeker, with an unbiased view. I don't understand why you find faults with my post. 

I am not bashing your post, you are entitled to your opinion as long as it is based on facts, if you have any e-mail exchanges with the clinic which shows that prices are double to that of Dr. Bhatti then please present it here. I myself will take Eugenix to task if that is the case, it is simply not true in my own experience. I am simply trying to set records straight if there are any incorrect suggestions in above posts (not just yours). Again, if you have documentation to prove that Eugenix is twice as expensive then please share, I will ask Dr. Sethi to explain the same.  Now some other posts have called genuine patients as agents of Eugenix, even in my case I am a physician working here in US and earn amongst the  top 1% of this country, i do not need to live on anyone's commissions and expense. I simply am a happy patient who is overjoyed by results given to me by such expert and dedicated HT specialists like Dr. Pradeep and Dr. Arika. I am happy to share my experience anytime someone asks for it, only intention being that I want those patient's to have same or similar results like mine, if few lives are made happy and content by this..... then my real duty as a physician in pointing a patient in right direction is accomplished. That is just the essence of being a healer for me.

Again I agree with @Melvin-Moderator, no need for more toxicity here. I do respect all recommended clinics here, if those doctors who rejected me for HT may have done so due to their own experience or wisdom. (I am not a HT expert), I respect that and I moved on, without bashing them ever (but documenting that a high HT like me has limited number of surgeons who are confident enough to take up my case and achieve such results...... which is fine).

Good luck to everyone in their search, lets keep the discussion civil without unjust insinuations.

13 hours ago, Torip said:

On the pricing part from what I was told by Eugenix, they are twice as expensive as Dr. Bhatti on price per graft. They could be having different pricing for Indians vs north American or European. In my opinion that is acceptable and not unfair. Salaries and cost of living in India are usually about 1/4 th of the US. Even relatively high earners in India wouldn’t be able to afford European or the US standards in pricing. Therefore it is only fair to charge them according to their income level. I am not a fan of capitalism btw. 

However even for Indian standards Eugenix is way too expensive. For example to get a HT of about 5K grafts one would have to spend about 8 months of their take home pay (assuming an average well paying job). On the other hand to get a surgery in the US one would have to spend about 3-4 months of their take home pay assuming a similar job profile.

 

Very untrue, you should call the clinic or e-mail them and ask for a price quote, and from mine and multitude of my friends' whom I have recommended to Eugenix (who are grateful and happy with their results, most of them are physicians from USA) they have been transparent with price. In fact even in my case the time between obtaining the quote (first e-mail) vs transplant was more than 6 months by which time their prices had gone up, but Dr. Arika and Dr. Pradeep honored the price they quoted for me. Never asked for a dime more, it was very clear from their happiness about how much pride they took in their work and as mentioned in my original post Dr. Arika even advised a patient from Iraq in front of me not to undergo transplant since it was not yet time for him. (testament  that they always keep patoient's interest first)

So just to insinuate based on hearsay is not right. Please share if you have personal experience and we all honor the same and respect everyone's experience, that's why we have this forum. 

And for others to just sat that a former patient of Dr. Pradeep be banned just because he shared his experience is preposterous.

Even now Dr. Pradeep inquires about my health and HT status, all i can say from MY OWN experience is that folks at Eugenix are genuine, they care for their patients' and are passionate about their work and stand resolutely with their patients'.

Since there have been numerous posts on this thread asking about pricing, I reached out to Eugenix and they will be updating their website with their price. There are other doctor's handpicked by Dr. Pradeep and Dr. Arika who are as good as their mentors,...but you can request Dr. Pradeep or Dr. Arika for your HT but you might have to wait for a little while for they stay busy with their patients. But if you request the package where you want their involvement then they will be involved.

Having gone through the experience it is MORE THAN worth the price. After having researched multitude of clinics both in India and outside India. (I am a physician living in USA) I can confidently say that there are very, very few HT doctors' who are doing such exceptionally high quality work both inside and outside India. There are very, very few who would take up high Norwood cases like mine and come out successful. And perhaps the only one in India who are right now doing justice to high Norwood individuals including exceptionally refined results using BODY HAIRS. No one else in INDIA comes close, in my opinion.

Notice what I have said above without unduly criticizing Dr. Bhatti or any other clinics. In fact before Eugenix gave me NEW LIFE I was rejected by many doctors, including most recommended doctors FROM INDIA here on the forum. Only Dr. Arika and Pradeep had experience, training, passion and  confidence to take it up apart from couple more. (no other doctor from India was ready), please see my original post to see the details of who all rejected me!. I do have the proof of those rejection in my e-mails if anyone wants to verify.

So if you have had experience with Eugenix then post here, not just unduly hypothetical, imaginary scenarious.

Little sad that it has come to this.

Anyway to each his own. Good luck and peace out.

Nice result, important thing is that it looks very natural.