agenteye

Looks really nice! Great result!

Hey abcd,

Congrats on your recent transplant and welcome to the forum! Who did you choose for your surgeon, if you don't mind me asking? Turkey is producing some amazing results these days, so I'm sure you were in great hands.

Although you probably didn't do any harm in what you're describing to us here, it would be wise to take it a bit easy for the next couple of weeks. I don't know what your physician recommended for after-care post-op instructions, but generally you shouldn't be exerting yourself as you mentioned. I'm sure the heat didn't help either (and you don't want your newly transplanted grafts/scalp in direct sun anyway), but the headache and swelling is probably a good sign that you overdid it just a bit. I would just rest the next couple of days, drink lots of fluids, and if it is recommended by your physician, make sure you are keeping the grafts in the recipient area moist!

Again, I'm sure all is well. Try to relax a bit with the chores; as your grafts are very sensitive to hostile conditions in the early days.....

Best,

Mike

Nice result.....another home run from Dr. E. Thanks for sharing Denny, this patient looks much younger. Excellent progress so far!!

Looks great Keith!!

Like the "duck-tail". You should change your name to Huey!

Enjoy your new hair buddy!

Mike

Thanks Bill, interestingly enough I've just had an email from the assistant working at the clinic saying to quote him "Dr xxxx takes offence to accusations against his staff and has decided not to consider me for treatment again". This comment was made before the allegations were even looked into so illustrates the unprofessionalism of the clinic in simply banning a patient as it's the easiest option. I have an email from this assistant in my possession stating that it wasnt infact him that sent me an email to cancel my appointment but had the timerity to say by amazing coincidence it was the lady who I complained about . I told him it was a lie as I never received it and his response was "apparently it bounced !" .. you really couldn't make it up . I then asked if if he had received a failure notice as any bounced emails generate this but the sound of silence was deafening with no response. He then goes on to say the clinic always returns calls when I feel like half my life has been spent chasing an appointment from the patient liason guy whose calls are rarer than a 3 headed cat. As I'm having to consider my options with the task of FUE operations to restore hair and scars left by him and another doctor, may seek legal advise as there seems little to lose at this point.

 

If I can upload pics in the relevant section of the scars plus hair density would welcome opinion from doctors online as I intend to do it on hairhelp.com and the other sites. I don't believe its morally or legally wrong to post pics of the state I've been left in despite whining from the assistant to the contrary as without his antics over the years I wouldn't be forced to spend excess time and money messing about looking for a new doctor .

Wow, really sorry to hear about your horrible experience, Daniel! Nobody deserves a bad result, and nobody deserves to be treated like that at ANY clinic!! You absolutely (contrary to what the clinic is trying to infer) have the right to post results/photos of your transplant in the instance you received a sub-par result!!!! Maybe you don't want to mention the clinic's name for personal reasons, but you have your opinion of the result you received, and have the right to share that result with whomever you like!! In situations where other people are trying to become educated in finding a surgeon to perform a good transplant (like this forum), you are potentially helping people from having a similar experience to that in which you had, by sharing your experience!

I'm really sorry buddy.....but chin up! As Bill said, there are lots of options for you....and lots of outstanding physicians recommended here to help give you the head of hair you deserve.

Good luck, and keep us all posted!

Best,

Mike

Looks fantastic. This guy got great "bang for his buck" with the amount of grafts used. What an excellent difference this made to his overall look! Nice work Dr. E! Thanks for sharing this result with us Denny!!

I wish I had hair like Jason Bateman too.

:eek: HAHAHA! That's the first thing that came to mind when I saw the post-op photos! American Psycho........very random that you had the same thought!! :cool:

We also do not know how much hair was used for the first procedures that were done. He had a strip and he had a FUE. If he had 2000 grafts in the one or two surgeries before this result then he has just used up 4000 grafts for his low NW1 hairline. How many grafts does the average patient have? Some say 6000, some say 9000. If we go by the best case scenario he has used almost half of his donor hair for a pluggy NW1 hairline.

I agree, and I acknowledged that in my post directly above. And assuming the best case scenario, I still think this particular patient is in good shape for the future providing his hair loss has stabilized (hopefully with meds). It is always hard to tell from photos, but it appears that this patient has an above average donor area and that an advanced hair loss pattern is unlikely. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I don't think it would be an issue for him for a LONG TIME, if ever! Again, it is just my personal opinion......I'm not saying that your own opinion is wrong or inaccurate in any way, and I think that we would need more patient info/history for anyone to make an accurate assessment. Again, I always try to keep in mind that the doctor who performed the procedure has the best insight on what was suitable for the patient.....and try to remain hopeful that said doctor had the patient's best interest in mind from the start!!

Sorry, the way I wrote that last post may have sounded confusing. What I was trying to say (and I think 911 as well) can be illustrated with photo #15 (last photo in the third row). It seems where the transplanted area stops and where his native hair in back is, that there is a relatively large gap that didn't receive any follicles. It looks as if he has no hair growing there at all.....yet in his 7 month post-op photos, the hair seems to be growing in that area.

He did have grafts placed in the crown. Look at this post-op pic:

I thought the same thing at first great, but I think 911fan was commenting on how low the grafts that were placed in the crown seem to go. It seems from the photos (which is what makes it hard to really tell) that the recipient area stops relatively high in comparison to the after photos. There appears to be a "gap" from where the grafts were placed and the donor area (in the immediately after post-op photos); and yet then there seems to be hair growing everywhere in the 7 month post-op photos. I think it is nothing other than the photos creating a false illusion......and I can see where 911 thought what he did.......

What facial features are you looking? His face is blocked out completely so there are not any facial features to comment on.

Okay, let me rephrase then. You can clearly see the shape of his forehead/head, and even though his facial features are blurred out completely, with a little imagination one can see that the hairline design looks really good as it pertains to him. Again, this is my personal opinion (and may be mine only), but I think his hair looks awesome, and I would love to be able to pull that off!! I don't think the work looks pluggy at all.....and then also, who's going to be as close to him as the camera was taking the photos. If someone were in my face that closely, I have a feeling my "personal space" issue/phobia might return........and I can't afford more counseling at this time!

The design looks good if he can keep his hair but most men do not so if he loses more hair his goose is cooked.

I'm sure the doctor took that into consideration when he did the transplant. I think any reputable surgeon would certainly not perform an unethical procedure and give the patient a low-framed forehead if the patient was going to progress to a NW VI?! And I'll give you that we don't know the patient's age as it pertains to this case, but the guy has a LOT of hair.....and I don't think he is going to lose that much. 2200 grafts is minor in the grand scheme of things.....and unless he used 4000 grafts in his first restoration (doubtful), he should have plenty of grafts left in his donor to revisit another procedure, if need be.

But again, this is just my observation of the situation.....without knowing anymore details of this particular case than anyone else here. Maybe Denny can give us some more information on this particular patient?!

I think that given the patient's age, the result looks very good. At almost 50 years old, I wouldn't want TOO dense of a hairline in the front, as most men at that age would expect to see some sort of loss/recession. I would agree that maybe a few hundred grafts more placed into the hairline wouldn't necessarily constitute "excessive", but I think this patient looks much better than before!! Personally, I'd be pretty happy if I were him!!

I see a result that looks like the hairline of a kid. Closed temples and very low. How old is the patient? Looks pluggy in the home photos where he's pulling the hair back.

It probably was pluggy, because that hairline was originally created by another transplant surgeon. The thread suggests that he had a previous "bad" procedure, and that he went to Dr. Erdogan for a repair. I'm guessing that because this guy had minimal loss to begin with, and what looks to be ample donor, Dr. E just filled grafts into the frontal part of the scalp to blend his previous poor results into one....instead of extracting the previously placed grafts from the hairline. In most cases, I don't necessarily think that a super dense and lowered hairline looks very good.....but I think that this patient pulls the look off very well with his facial features. I would certainly by thrilled to be able to rock that hair/hairstyle, but my loss was just too pronounced to have that done and still maintain a natural-looking head of hair!! Yep, I'm jealous!!!! :rolleyes:

i did it myself with tweezers, a hand mirror and soco.

Lol!!!!

Nice one Topsoil! The work looks very clean, and that is going to produce an excellent scar!! Dr. Konior is a great guy/surgeon, and you will be thrilled with the result once it all starts growing in! Please keep us updated with your progress along the way!! How many grafts did Dr. K harvest during your procedure?

Congrats on your restoration!!

Best,

Mike

Bald? What?? Who?? Him? Nah...

 

As you know, I like a graft breakdown. Do you have that information along with a total hair transplanted??

 

I know, I'm annoying, but you learn to love me

When exactly do we learn to love you?! LOL, I kid, I kid! The graft breakdown was as follows:

906 – 1 unit grafts

1368 – 2 unit grafts

343 – 3 unit grafts

___________________________________________

TOTAL HAIRS- 4,671

Hope that is the information you were looking for. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Thank you,

Mike

Rit-

Try not to worry too much buddy. In most cases, the shock-loss occurs around the area where the strip was excised. However, sometimes the general trauma of the scalp from the surgery can cause some additional shock loss in the recipient area. In all but extreme cases, the shock-loss will grow back. I am one of those guys who had shock-loss around both my scar, and in the crown and frontal parts of my head (minimal). So for a short period of time, my hair actually looked worse 2 months post-op, than it did pre-op. But this recovered quickly, and as you can see from my 8 month results, you can't tell that I ever had any shock-loss at all. Again, no need to worry. Congrats on your recent transplant.

Best,

Mike

Looks amazing. Maybe agenteye can follow up with this guy.

Hi Everyone-

I sent a private message to HH, and he responded to let me know that he is planning to post again soon, once he is ready to do so. If you sent him a PM and you have not heard back, please be patient and respect his wishes to sort everything out for himself. He will respond once he feels in a position to do so.

Thank you,

Mike

Suff-

Here is a link to all of my photos in chronological order, from pre-op through 8 months post-op. I will also be posting a 9 month post-op result when I take the photos next week! Please let me know if there is something more specific you are looking for, and I will try to help accordingly.

Best,

Mike

PHOTOS OF MY JOURNEY THROUGH NOW

@agenteye and spanker,

 

why do your results look so perfect? it's as if you never had a transplant done (this could be the ultimate compliment.... but i'm very untrusting at this stage)... do you mind emailing more pics if you have? before the surgeries and immediate post operative?

Suff,

I sent you a PM!

Best,

Mike

Chin up buddy. I doubt it's permanent, and I'm sure your physician will help you to get to the bottom of what is causing the issue! Do keep us posted......

Best,

Mike

Oh yeah, and excellent result up above. Another one!! Dr. Erdogan seems to be very consistent. Thank you for sharing this case with the forum!

Hi Spanker, I am not representing Dr. Erdogan yet. I already told Bill I was invited to be his representative when I met him in Istambul but since time is an issue for me, I am not so sure about it. I will have a conversation with Dr. Edogan this week about it and if I become his representative I will add this information to my signature as suggested by Bill and you.

I am glad you liked this result!

Denny,

Thank you for all these excellent results! Very VERY promising work coming from Dr. Erdogan....these patients must all be thrilled with their results. :cool:

I was confused on one thing though. You mentioned you were limited on time to be a representative for Dr. Erdogan, yet you are posting result after result after result on his behalf......which is essentially what you would be doing as a representative (only you'd actually be receiving some sort of compensation for doing so)? If time is such a limiting factor yet you are essentially doing what a clinic representative would do (and you seem to be doing even more than some), why not just tell Dr. Erdogan yes to his offer to represent his clinic?! Furthermore, as someone who is not employed by the clinic currently, isn't there some sort of limitation on what the Doc can share with you as far as patient charts/information?! I would think only an employee of sorts would be able to post the detailed graft counts/photos/patient info, etc....but maybe that's not how it works.

At any rate, I'm honestly not trying to question your motives or your involvement on this forum......I appreciate the efforts and the detail that go into your threads/posts......and really value all of your contribution in general. I just couldn't wrap my head around why you aren't getting compensated for your time?! I think you deserve to.

Best,

Mike

Looks good for 7 months out. Thanks for sharing!!

I think this looks very nice, and pretty much what I would expect for 2000 grafts going into a completely bald area. Completely natural, and the hairline placement is perfect. Good job.

I agree. I think it is a drastic improvement, and that the patient looks really good. Of course the density could always be more....but I think it looks very natural and age appropriate.....and like the way the patient styles his hair!

Nice job Dr. Carman. Thanks for sharing!