AB2000

I live in Canada and am looking to get financing for a hair transplant for about 2-3 months from now. I have savings, and wish to use financing to get additional grafts for a complete session. However, I will be looking to have my procedure done outside of Canada. From what I have seen so far, doing searches on elective surgery financing, is that it is only valid for procedures done in your own country. Does anyone have experience they can share, esp. if they are in Canada, about financing their procedure elsewhere?

For over 3000 grafts you results don't look great after your first hair transplant, and frankly look more like a set of before pics. You posted what you looked like from before the HT and you don't look that much different. Yes there is more coverage now, but a lack of density. Your donor area also looks quite depleted. What Norwood were you before all this began? Two ways to help you going forward. Since you are getting work done by Bhatti and he has BHT experience, tap your beard for hair supply. You'll need it. Also, look into using a hair concealer to touch up the final result. Even though you look less bald now by having coverage up front, it is too spread out to do any good on its own. Some hair fibers should help thicken your hair's appearance.

A couple of points. 1. I am unsure of how you applied the nanogen, but it is possible you applied it wrong. When I used to use hair loss concealers I bought both Dermatch and Nanogen hair fibers. I did Dermatch first, then the hair fibers. 2. When I applied the hair fibers I did so gently. First I turned the bottle upside down on my head. Then, rotate it about the vertical axis by 45 degrees, so that it is not straight down on the scalp. Then, while holding the bottle with a couple of fingers, I'd tap the bottle with another finger to release some fibers onto the scalp. With another hand I would use a hand held mirror to view this in the washroom mirror to see exactly where the fibers were landing. Yes, if you drop too much onto bare scalp it conceals nothing. It is best to paint your scalp with Dermatch first, then tap the Nanogen fibers throughout after. Last steps were to pat down the hair line to wipe up stray power, then spray all the hair with hair spray to lock in the powder and integrate it with the hair and the Dermatch. And just so you know, original poster, I am about as bald as you are in your pics, if not more so. That means, yes, if you get all the tools and master your technique, you can achieve very good results.

If I were to transplant only 4000 grafts, I would have to agree with you. If I were to go with 4X that, then the option is there to try a lower hairline.

Why do you say that? Typically, when doctors do BHT using chest hair, where are they putting it on the head?

I have been in contact with a clinic for the procedures and have forwarded my pics and expectations. Up to that point I understand what my results might be and I don't have unrealistic expectations. That being said, I don't think you two understand the question I was asking. If all goes well and good density is achieved, I might opt for a final procedure to lower the hairline and push out the temples more. If I want to give myself that option, what type of hairs would be needed for front hairline? I have to make sure that these hairs don't get depleted before I get to this optional point.

I plan to begin my restoration work this year with my first transplant. Presently at NW5 hair loss which has been stabilized since '07. Having read the results on this forum for some years, I wish to combine BHT with head hair FUE's to achieve a high count transplantation, probably over the course of three sessions, one a year. Since body hair will not grow out natural as head hair does on the scalp I will need to have these hairs mixed during the procedures and I will be going with buzzed/short hair the rest of my life. Unnatural results due to trying to grow out body hair long is not a concern in my case. If the results are there after the first two large procedures and I achieve a density I am happy with, I would consider a final transplant to lower my hairline. My question then, what sort of hair should we be saving for the final framing of a hairline at the end of the transplantation journey? I don't want to be in a position where I have already used up that hair in the first two transplants. Keep in mind that since I will be doing BHT as well, the source for the final framing might be something other than hair from the nape of my neck. Thanks

I used to use the hand mirror and wall mounted mirror as well, to get it all right. My routine was to do Dermatch first, then the Nanogen, then clean up. I'd apply the hair fibers up to and past my hair line. Then I use tissues to wipe back all along my hairline to get the excessive dermatch and fibers away. Next was dry tissues to make the transition across hairline more gradual. When this was all done I used my hair spray to lock it in. When I left my job in late 2011 I decided to stop all this, and just go with a short buzz cut. Now I shave my head every few days. Looking forward to the hair transplants. With extra hairs this concealing process would be shorter and simpler. Funny thing is when I stopped with this routine a few years ago I asked one of the people I worked with if he realized that I was using hair loss concealers, and if my hair looked fake at all. No one realized it.

For two years, 2010 and 2011 I used concealers for my NW5 condition. I am thinning quite a bit up front and am worse in the crown. Between the hair fibers and Dermatch I was able to successfully hide my hairloss for that time. The cost, other than for the materials, was about half an hour a day to apply this "make up" and do all the touch-ups. I was actually surprised at how well it turned out. But it would have have been as good if I just used the hair fibers. Dermatch was very necessary. The combo of the two was great. The obvious limitation is that these don't work where there is no hair. So if your hairline is receded, at best, it can approach the border of your hair loss. You can't mask what isn't there anymore. See Steven Segal for an example of bad covering up of hairloss. One other think that I remember helping out a lot...I bought the nanogen brand hair fibers. The first time I bought it I also got the "hair lock" spray. I found that when I used this spray after first doing the dermatch then the fibers that it helped to mask the grittiness of the fibers. It was expensive, so what I did forward was just to buy regular hair spray which did the trick. And remember to buy the fiber colour that best matches your finished work after you apply the dermatch, hair fibers and spray. I have dark brown hair, but found that after doing all three, that I needed a darker colour, and started going with black Dermatch.

For clarification, does this mean he doesn't charge service tax if you pay in cash?

I had hoped to confirm the pricing indicated on the Darling Buds website. It is important to understand how much a procedure will cost before committing to it. The contact method on their website is a "Quick Query" form that you fill out, which includes your email address for them to respond to you. It has been a week now since I have sent a message and I have not heard anything back. I don't understand why this clinic would offer only this method of contact if they will not answer your query.

For two years, when I was in a new job, I used both Dermatch and Nanogen Fibers to conceal my hair loss. This means that it would potentially cover thinning hair, and not the areas of the head that were bald. In my case, I was able to cover up the top of my head and my crown, which was really thin. Never ever in my time there did anyone mention that it looked fake. When I was leaving for another job after, I mentioned this to one of the people I had worked with every day and he had no idea. So if you use the hair fiber product correctly, it will help. If someone wants to grab your head and have a close look then they might be suspicious, but for most people, no.

Up until recently, I used the combination of both Dermatch and Nanogen to achieve a look of density. Since I had recession at the front of my scalp, I wasn't able to achieve a straight line, and I had to follow the receding hairline. Even still, the result was believable to people who didn't know that I was using these two products. Like another poster mentioned, there's an amount of trial and error involved, moreso with the Dermatch. Since my hairloss up front consists of fading hair, I can't have a strong hairline, and it took some time with tissue paper to wipe away just the right amount to make it look proper. The Nanogen fibers were also necessary to help cover the painted scalp. When I put on the Dermatch, I applied it all over, wherever there was hair. In the thinning areas, this would have been noticable unless I applied the fibers on top. As a combo, they worked for me. There's a cost factor involved, as well as the time needed to apply it each day, and to wash it out at night. My regret is not realizing the extent of my hair loss soon enough and not taking stronger minoxidil to stop it before it got to where it is.

Here's some photos I took four years ago. At this point, I still had somewhat long hair, and hadn't gone down the route of short hair + concealers. I don't know if this makes a difference in guaging hair loss off a picture, but in these my hair was still wet from a shower and it was clustering together. But my question is still the same. With this kind of hair loss, would a beard hair transplant help create the appearance of fuller hair up top. even if I were to buzz the hair short?

I came across this thead because I was considering a beard hair transplant to help fill out my thinning scalp and my crown. I have not had any transplantation done before, but since I caught this thing after the hair loss began, my donor area is not full, and I have some hair recession along the neck. I used to have longer hair, and with the dark hair/dark skin, it to an extent concealed the hair loss. But the crown's balding is too much for the rest of the hair to mask, so I wound up buzzing it down. At this point, I found out about Dermatch and Nanogen fibers. It didn't work great with hair any longer than about 6mm buzed down, as the much more thinner crown was too much to cover up with the powder. But I have just enough hair there that when I used those two products on very short hair, it looked like I had full hair, with some receding up front (concealers don't work where there is no hair left). Most people didn't know it was fake hair, unless they knew beforehand, and I happed to get a job transfer at the time and started at the new place with the concealers. It is, however time consuming to do this, about half hour each day. It also limits me as I cannot up and go out or to work suddenly, or the ruse is up. When I recently started a new career and changed jobs again, I didn't bother with the concealers, but have kept my hair buzzed down. But the hair loss nonetheless is apparent, unless I were willing to go completely bald, which doesn't suit me. My question for Dr. Umar and others with experience in this matter, is getting hair transplants effective if you plan to maintain close cropped hair? Does having a buzz cut help or hurt? Most before and after pictures I see are guys with regular length hair. I never see anyone with very short or very long hair. I am interested to know if getting hair transplants is like throwing out money if you plan to buzz it, or can it save you some money as you don't need dense coverage but still look like you don't have hair loss?