Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted September 20, 2023 Administrators Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Turkhair Posted September 20, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted September 20, 2023 I will check the video out later but this is an interesting point. And I have always wondered. Does losing or gaining weight changes skull size and so the number of grafts needed or perhaps how your hairs look depending on if you’re fat or thin at that time? Ignore if it’s already answered in the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GoliGoliGoli Posted September 20, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted September 20, 2023 As a guy who wears a hat size of 7 5/8 (which I think is big but not huge) this is what I have both feared and expected to be true. I wish you would've asked him his thoughts on whether guys with big heads have correspondingly large donor areas on a more or less 1:1 ratio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted September 20, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted September 20, 2023 27 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said: As a guy who wears a hat size of 7 5/8 (which I think is big but not huge) this is what I have both feared and expected to be true. I wish you would've asked him his thoughts on whether guys with big heads have correspondingly large donor areas on a more or less 1:1 ratio? I did ask him, I’ll post his response with the time stamp on the original question. 58:06 he answers this question 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairEnthusiast101 Posted September 20, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted September 20, 2023 What is considered an average size head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GoliGoliGoli Posted September 20, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted September 20, 2023 46 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said: I did ask him, I’ll post his response with the time stamp on the original question. 58:06 he answers this question What a great and detailed answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted September 21, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted September 21, 2023 50 minutes ago, HairEnthusiast101 said: What is considered an average size head? Hard to say, I think if a fitted medium 7-7 1/8 fits you that would be average. Below that would be small and above that large. 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor Gatsby Posted September 21, 2023 Valued Contributor Share Posted September 21, 2023 Head size was definitely one of my challenges surgically. 2 GATSBY 'UNPLUGGED!' 15,671 (3 surgeries) Grafts FUE+BHT Dr. Sethi Eugenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member jjalay Posted September 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 I dont really understand this argument. People with larger head they also have larger donor area so this is a little bit off for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted September 21, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted September 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, jjalay said: I dont really understand this argument. People with larger head they also have larger donor area so this is a little bit off for me. Did you listen to his response? It doesn’t always mean that you have more donor. Head shape and donor density varies regardless of the size. So it doesn’t always mean you’ll get more grafts. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GoliGoliGoli Posted September 21, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Melvin- Moderator said: Hard to say, I think if a fitted medium 7-7 1/8 fits you that would be average. Below that would be small and above that large. I think 7 to 7 1/8 is pretty small. At least according to the New Era size chart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted September 21, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMunibAhmad Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Best head shape donor and recipient wise for a hair transplant: 2 6 Art-Gallery: https://fuegenix.nl/art-gallery/Before and After: https://fuegenix.nl/haartransplantatie/voor-en-na/All cases of my patients on HRN:https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/search/?&q=Fuegenix&search_and_or=or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member jjalay Posted September 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, DrMunibAhmad said: Best head shape donor and recipient wise for a hair transplant: But why are they both wearing a wig then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member jjalay Posted September 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said: Did you listen to his response? It doesn’t always mean that you have more donor. Head shape and donor density varies regardless of the size. So it doesn’t always mean you’ll get more grafts. I think its a good argument to rejekt patients that are not good candidates though.. "Excuse me sir your head is so big that its impossible to perform a hairtransplant on you!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor Gatsby Posted September 21, 2023 Valued Contributor Share Posted September 21, 2023 4 hours ago, jjalay said: I dont really understand this argument. People with larger head they also have larger donor area so this is a little bit off for me. I have a large Norwood 7 head and my scalp donor was poor. With the same poor scalp donor and a smaller large Norwood 7 head I would have required less grafts. GATSBY 'UNPLUGGED!' 15,671 (3 surgeries) Grafts FUE+BHT Dr. Sethi Eugenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Bandit90 Posted September 21, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) Those who have a dolichocephalic skull shape will need much less grafts compared to someone who has a brachycephalic skull shape. This explains why some people can get full coverage from 6k grafts, while others need 14k+ grafts. In math terms if you divide the width of the head by the length and times by 100, you get a "Cephalic Index" the lower this number to more likely you can achieve full coverage with less grafts and the reverse for a higher index number. Edited September 21, 2023 by Bandit90 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member ScottishGuy21 Posted September 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 From someone with a large head this is a super interesting discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GoliGoliGoli Posted September 21, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Bandit90 said: Those who have a dolichocephalic skull shape will need much less grafts compared to someone who has a brachycephalic skull shape. This explains why some people can get full coverage from 6k grafts, while others need 14k+ grafts. In math terms if you divide the width of the head by the length and times by 100, you get a "Cephalic Index" the lower this number to more likely you can achieve full coverage with less grafts and the reverse for a higher index number. Tremendous info. The posters on this forum are far and away the best informed of any HT forum and it isn't even close. Add this to the list of things that makes one either a good or bad canidate for HT surgery. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted September 21, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted September 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Bandit90 said: Those who have a dolichocephalic skull shape will need much less grafts compared to someone who has a brachycephalic skull shape. This explains why some people can get full coverage from 6k grafts, while others need 14k+ grafts. In math terms if you divide the width of the head by the length and times by 100, you get a "Cephalic Index" the lower this number to more likely you can achieve full coverage with less grafts and the reverse for a higher index number. 10/10 post, the Euryprospic shape would be the one he was talking about having less donor despite being large. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted September 21, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 where would you measure the width here? zidane heads is expanding the more yoi go up and has its peak more at his crown (commonly referred to in school as light bulb head) while former president of niger mohamed bazoum has the peak of his width of the skull near has cheekbones and gets narrower towards the crown, commonly also referred to as coneheads then we need to take into account that also the shape in the profile can deeply vary roger stone might be more brachycephalic then the kid above but im not sure if he wouldnt be still in advantage when it comes crown covering etc 8 hours ago, Bandit90 said: Those who have a dolichocephalic skull shape will need much less grafts compared to someone who has a brachycephalic skull shape. This explains why some people can get full coverage from 6k grafts, while others need 14k+ grafts. In math terms if you divide the width of the head by the length and times by 100, you get a "Cephalic Index" the lower this number to more likely you can achieve full coverage with less grafts and the reverse for a higher index number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Turkhair Posted September 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Bandit90 said: This explains why some people can get full coverage from 6k grafts, while others need 14k+ grafts. What?? Can you show me someone with such a big head they needed 14k+ grafts for full coverage. I don’t think we are talking human heads here 😂 Edited September 21, 2023 by Turkhair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Turkhair Posted September 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 16 hours ago, Gatsby said: I have a large Norwood 7 head and my scalp donor was poor. With the same poor scalp donor and a smaller large Norwood 7 head I would have required less grafts. But your case is very unique to someone with a “virgin scalp”. You were a repair patient. Few things that are very unique about your case - Lower hairline to hide the scars. That’s a lot of grafts. - Temple points done. Again a lot of grafts. - A lot of body hairs used. For comparison, one scalp graft can be equal to 2 or 3 or 5 body hair! usually in range of 2-3. Head size makes a difference but not that big of a difference. 6-7k scalp grafts would’ve been enough for full coverage which is about the same as everyone else. I don’t think your head size played that big of a role, your scars, temple points used up a lot of grafts and you also didn’t have a lot of scalp grafts due to previous surgeries wasting them. If you had started with a “virgin scalp” your graft numbers would’ve been lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Bandit90 Posted September 21, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Turkhair said: What?? Can you show me someone with such a big head they needed 14k+ grafts for full coverage. I don’t think we are talking human heads here 😂 For comparison I had around 6k grafts transplanted for full coverage and I think I have a big head. I can’t imagine how big the head would be of someone needing double the amount of grafts I have plus 2-3k extra just to get coverage. Sheeeshhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Turkhair Posted September 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bandit90 said: So half of what you claimed? It’s still not even close to 14k+ grafts 🤷♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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