Senior Member Britanium Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Bandit90 said: I'm 99% convinced Rafael Manelli is Dr Alan Feller. Even more so that his username is an anagram of Alan Feller. Be interesting to get his take on FUE/BHT as replacement for FUT in higher norwoods. Lol actually it’s closer to “I’m Alan Feller” which reminded me of this reveal: 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairEnthusiast101 Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 Isn’t one of the draws to fut that it takes hair from the safe zone while fue takes some grafts outside of the safe zone? So really these large fue cases could easily lead to thinning years down the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 how many grafts supposedly do you have more when yoi start with fut? 500-1000? and that only if your scalp has good laxity… imho not worth the risk anymore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Bucky O Hair Posted April 24, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BRITA-XL said: Lol actually it’s closer to “I’m Alan Feller” which reminded me of this reveal: It's actually "i aM alan felleR" if you rearrange the letters exactly. ha ha. If this were true, then Dr. Feller is a legend. That would be awesome. Edited April 24, 2023 by Bucky O Hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 dr. feller how do i know if i have good laxity? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairEnthusiast101 Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 25 minutes ago, mr_peanutbutter said: how many grafts supposedly do you have more when yoi start with fut? 500-1000? and that only if your scalp has good laxity… imho not worth the risk anymore No it is easily 1.5-2k more. But if you have bad laxity then yes not worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, HairEnthusiast101 said: No it is easily 1.5-2k more. But if you have bad laxity then yes not worth it source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 24, 2023 Administrators Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 minute ago, mr_peanutbutter said: source? Poor laxity= stretched scar, the larger the strip size, the lower the laxity means an increased chance of a stretched scar. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairEnthusiast101 Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Melvin- Moderator said: Poor laxity= stretched scar, the larger the strip size, the lower the laxity means an increased chance of a stretched scar. I think he means my 1.5k-2k more lifetime grafts with fut into fue than fue alone. Pretty sure Dr Shapiro had a study about two years ago regarding it. Yes fue has advanced but no one would ever perform fut if you only got 500 more grafts. You definitely are getting over 1,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, HairEnthusiast101 said: I think he means my 1.5k-2k more lifetime grafts with fut into fue than fue alone. Pretty sure Dr Shapiro had a study about two years ago regarding it. Yes fue has advanced but no one would ever perform fut if you only got 500 more grafts. You definitely are getting over 1,000. ya apparently it can be up to 3k grafts more, i think that really puts fut back on the menu however, if i compare my skin to to the skin that gets pinched there, my skalp laxity is definitely not so good so then fut probably wont make much sense Edited April 24, 2023 by mr_peanutbutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairEnthusiast101 Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 Just now, mr_peanutbutter said: ya apparently it can be up to 3k grafts more, i think that really puts fut back on the menu No I agree with you fue is better in majority of cases but if you are young have great laxity and are bound to a high Norwood then I’d say fut should still be considered. Some people heal great too so I understand if fut is on the table for them. But fue is the present and the future of the industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, HairEnthusiast101 said: No I agree with you fue is better in majority of cases but if you are young have great laxity and are bound to a high Norwood then I’d say fut should still be considered. Some people heal great too so I understand if fut is on the table for them. But fue is the present and the future of the industry also no doctor can tell me what bad and good laxity is so im really leaning towards fue. would be really a downer to fly to nyc for example just for bloxham to rub your scalp and telling you that your laxity isnt good lol btw what do you guys think of saifi approach to let a small area untouched when doing fue in case the patients needs more graft down the line and wants to do fut? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairEnthusiast101 Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, mr_peanutbutter said: also no doctor can tell me what bad and good laxity is so im really leaning towards fue. would be really a downer to fly to nyc for example just for bloxham to rub your scalp and telling you that your laxity isnt good lol btw what do you guys think of saifi approach to let a small area untouched when doing fue in case the patients needs more graft down the line and wants to do fut? Very true. I find that interesting. Pretty smart honestly. Is Saifi good though? I’ve heard mixed reviews on density Edited April 24, 2023 by HairEnthusiast101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, HairEnthusiast101 said: No I agree with you fue is better in majority of cases but if you are young have great laxity and are bound to a high Norwood then I’d say fut should still be considered. Some people heal great too so I understand if fut is on the table for them. But fue is the present and the future of the industry tbh many people who start balding end up norwood 5/6, for those fut would beneficial for sure. i think its even the majority of people with the balding gene? how many people stop balding at norwood 3, 4? not the majority i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairEnthusiast101 Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 Just now, mr_peanutbutter said: tbh many people who start balding end up norwood 5/6, for those fut would beneficial for sure. i think its even the majority of people with the balding gene? how many people stop balding at norwood 3, 4? not the majority i think I have no clue. Would be interesting to know stats on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Bucky O Hair said: It's actually "i aM alan felleR" if you rearrange the letters exactly. ha ha. If this were true, then Dr. Feller is a legend. That would be awesome. Yes exactly that I typed i am but my pc changed it to I’m lol 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 24, 2023 Administrators Share Posted April 24, 2023 35 minutes ago, HairEnthusiast101 said: No I agree with you fue is better in majority of cases but if you are young have great laxity and are bound to a high Norwood then I’d say fut should still be considered. Some people heal great too so I understand if fut is on the table for them. But fue is the present and the future of the industry I disagree, I’m someone who was young and a Norwood 6/7, as is @Bandit90 I’m so happy I didn’t get strip. I can wear my hair short, chances are I would’ve needed a scar revision with FUT. The larger the strip, the higher the chance of a stretched scar. This thinking is outdated. Now, you see 7-10k grafts with FUE all the time. Look at @HugoX 2 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member BaldReaper Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Melvin- Moderator said: I disagree, I’m someone who was young and a Norwood 6/7, as is @Bandit90 I’m so happy I didn’t get strip. I can wear my hair short, chances are I would’ve needed a scar revision with FUT. The larger the strip, the higher the chance of a stretched scar. This thinking is outdated. Now, you see 7-10k grafts with FUE all the time. Look at @HugoX All the time? You mean with a good donor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairEnthusiast101 Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 Just now, Melvin- Moderator said: I disagree, I’m someone who was young and a Norwood 6/7, as is @Bandit90 I’m so happy I didn’t get strip. I can wear my hair short, chances are I would’ve needed a scar revision with FUT. The larger the strip, the higher the chance of a stretched scar. This thinking is outdated. Now, you see 7-10k grafts with FUE all the time. Look at @HugoX Well yes but you can always fue into the scar. Also most massive mega sessions are not taking 100% safe zone grafts. Those grafts could easily thin or die just like the tip of your head. It is pretty much impossible to get 10k grafts in a safe zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 @Melvin- Moderator would you say the video is a bit outdated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 24, 2023 Administrators Share Posted April 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, HairEnthusiast101 said: Well yes but you can always fue into the scar. Also most massive mega sessions are not taking 100% safe zone grafts. Those grafts could easily thin or die just like the tip of your head. It is pretty much impossible to get 10k grafts in a safe zone The safe zone varies from person to person. This notion of a “universal safe zone” has been debunked several times. Even amongst Norwood 6/7s there’s viable hair outside of the strip zone that could be utilized, this is why this entire argument is silly at this point. It’s like debating streaming vs. cable TV. Also, the hair from a strip is vulnerable to thinning as well, prime example is Joe Rogan. 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 24, 2023 Administrators Share Posted April 24, 2023 Just now, mr_peanutbutter said: @Melvin- Moderator would you say the video is a bit outdated? Yes, check out this video from Dr. Hasson himself I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairEnthusiast101 Posted April 24, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 24, 2023 Just now, Melvin- Moderator said: The safe zone varies from person to person. This notion of a “universal safe zone” has been debunked several times. Even amongst Norwood 6/7s there’s viable hair outside of the strip zone that could be utilized, this is why this entire argument is silly at this point. It’s like debating streaming vs. cable TV. But it doesn’t take away from the use of fut and its importance to some. And if it is outdated in your mind then I’d reconsider some doctors you have on the recommended list who are big believers in fut and its importance. I definitely firmly think fue is great but fut still 100% has its place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 24, 2023 Administrators Share Posted April 24, 2023 Just now, HairEnthusiast101 said: But it doesn’t take away from the use of fut and its importance to some. And if it is outdated in your mind then I’d reconsider some doctors you have on the recommended list who are big believers in fut and its importance. I definitely firmly think fue is great but fut still 100% has its place I’m not saying FUT doesn’t have its place, there are patients that may be better suited for FUT. Especially women, who wear their hair long. I’m simply saying many of the things that were pushed a decade ago, no longer have any merit. It still works, it still grows hair. But it’s no longer a gold standard and hasn’t been for quite some time. But I do believe surgeons should still at least offer it, because some patients may be better suited. But in my opinion, it’s a small minority overall. 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 24, 2023 Administrators Share Posted April 24, 2023 43 minutes ago, BRITA-XL said: Yes exactly that I typed i am but my pc changed it to I’m lol 😂 2 hours ago, Bucky O Hair said: It's actually "i aM alan felleR" if you rearrange the letters exactly. ha ha. If this were true, then Dr. Feller is a legend. That would be awesome. Silence says a lot. If it weren’t Dr. Feller I would imagine there would be pushback. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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