Gur Clinic or Smile?

[Baldyboy]

Hi all!

After several months of research I have narrowed down my candidates to two. I am a diffuse thinner.

 

1. Exclusive package with Smile clinic. Performed by doctor

 

2. Standard package at the Gur clinic.

 

Any thoughts? I’m also curious if it’s the same Dr.Gur as the one at Fucapilar? It appears to be the same but just curious if he has his own practise? 
 

price for both options is similar. Cheera!

[mister_25]

Smile Clinic is a hair mill. There is a high chance of you getting botched if you go there.

Diffuse thinning makes you a difficult case, can you share some photos?

The only good options in Turkey are Bicer, FUECAPILAR and HLC. And even then depending on your level of baldness they won’t be good fits for you. Turkey to the public eye is known for hair transplants but In reality they are the riskiest destination to attempt to get your hair back.

Are you on Medication? You will need to stabilise your hair loss before you get a hair transplant. 

[StillAlive]

Check the forum's recommendations and look through real patient reviews.

Smile has a very poor reputation. It's not impossible to get a good result there if you are an easy case -which you do not sound like- but still it's pure russian roulette. 

[DHT]

@Baldyboy,

Don't ever choose Smile, recently have seen some botched cases by them. Gur also does not have any well known image. 
Why do you want to get botched up, it's a cosmetic procedure, save up your money and spend more time on research. I can name some clinic which are quite renowned and they are giving excellent results since a decade. Dr. Sethi Eugenix, Dr. Bisanga, Dr. Cuoto, are really good. 
 

Contact as many clinic as you can but please don't get attracted towards cheaper options and got botched. 

[BigFoot]

Gur is the one with Fucap yes , I went to him and everything was great 👍 

[RTC]

1 hour ago, mister_25 said:

Smile Clinic is a hair mill. There is a high chance of you getting botched if you go there.

Diffuse thinning makes you a difficult case, can you share some photos?

The only good options in Turkey are Bicer, FUECAPILAR and HLC. And even then depending on your level of baldness they won’t be good fits for you. Turkey to the public eye is known for hair transplants but In reality they are the riskiest destination to attempt to get your hair back.

Are you on Medication? You will need to stabilise your hair loss before you get a hair transplant. 

Spot on.

The only one I'd fully trust from there is Bicer. I personally wouldn't go to a clinic like HLC either where I don't know exactly who the doctor is.

[mister_25]

3 minutes ago, RTC said:

Spot on.

The only one I'd fully trust from there is Bicer. I personally wouldn't go to a clinic like HLC either where I don't know exactly who the doctor is.

After recent threads I wouldn't go to HLC either. But they are still a notch above the rest in Turkey.

[Jackdaniels]

Dr Gur is in FueCapilar. I would suggest going to him instead of smile clinic. 
 

Other good options in Turkey to consider would be Prkiner, Bicer, HLC, Yaman, Turan, Demirsoy. 
 

 

[dronay]

Hello,

Smile clinic is one of successful centres in Turkey. The best and most experienced centre is ASMED. Only the cost is slightly higher. If you share your photos and information such as age, I can offer you a second doctor's opinion. You can easily compare.

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

[RTC]

13 minutes ago, dronay said:

Hello,

Smile clinic is one of successful centres in Turkey. The best and most experienced centre is ASMED. Only the cost is slightly higher. If you share your photos and information such as age, I can offer you a second doctor's opinion. You can easily compare.

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

With all due respect Dr, based on everything I've seen, Smile and Asmed are both garbage. I would not encourage anybody go there and risk ruining their lives.

 

[dronay]

Of course, I respect your opinions. Apart from my own clinic, I can only say that they are successful clinics for Asmed and Cosmedica. I witnessed their very successful operations.

 

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

[Gi29]

1 hour ago, dronay said:

Of course, I respect your opinions. Apart from my own clinic, I can only say that they are successful clinics for Asmed and Cosmedica. I witnessed their very successful operations.

 

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

Dr Onay,

In those operations that you witnessed, what are the involvements of the doctors? Do they only “supervise” or perform any part of the surgery? It is safe to say that at least the extractions and the incisions parts should be done by the surgeon (not the technicians). Does that happen to the operations you witnessed?

[dronay]

7 minutes ago, Gi29 said:

Dr Onay,

In those operations that you witnessed, what are the involvements of the doctors? Do they only “supervise” or perform any part of the surgery? It is safe to say that at least the extractions and the incisions parts should be done by the surgeon (not the technicians). Does that happen to the operations you witnessed?

Doctors in Turkey generally perform the operation planning and the second stage, the Incision stage, directly. Experienced nurses continue the operation at other stages. The operations performed by Dr. Acar and Dr. Koray, who are among the cases of these clinics, were successful.

There is the same order in our clinics in London and Istanbul. In some different cases, doctors can enter 3 stages in person. For example;

-Patient's excessive bleeding due to alcohol, drug use or other factors
- Difficulty in transplanting or FUE due to the patient's skin structure is damaged (like past FUT operations)
- If thinness is noticed in the first 200 grafts taken at the FUE stage

In such cases, doctors can directly enter all stages themselves.

 

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

[Gi29]

25 minutes ago, dronay said:

Doctors in Turkey generally perform the operation planning and the second stage, the Incision stage, directly. Experienced nurses continue the operation at other stages. The operations performed by Dr. Acar and Dr. Koray, who are among the cases of these clinics, were successful.

There is the same order in our clinics in London and Istanbul. In some different cases, doctors can enter 3 stages in person. For example;

-Patient's excessive bleeding due to alcohol, drug use or other factors
- Difficulty in transplanting or FUE due to the patient's skin structure is damaged (like past FUT operations)
- If thinness is noticed in the first 200 grafts taken at the FUE stage

In such cases, doctors can directly enter all stages themselves.

 

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

Does this mean that the doctors are not involved in the extraction step? With doctors from Turkey (both from Reddit and this forum), I have seen problems with donor over harvesting (often with high transection rate). And so, extraction step is a crucial step in this surgery. 

For you personally, do you perform both extraction and incision steps? How many patients do you take care in a day? 

[Baldyboy]

5 hours ago, mister_25 said:

Smile Clinic is a hair mill. There is a high chance of you getting botched if you go there.

Diffuse thinning makes you a difficult case, can you share some photos?

The only good options in Turkey are Bicer, FUECAPILAR and HLC. And even then depending on your level of baldness they won’t be good fits for you. Turkey to the public eye is known for hair transplants but In reality they are the riskiest destination to attempt to get your hair back.

Are you on Medication? You will need to stabilise your hair loss before you get a hair transplant. 

Starting fin today so will be about 3-4 months in when I go.

[Baldyboy]

3 hours ago, dronay said:

Hello,

Smile clinic is one of successful centres in Turkey. The best and most experienced centre is ASMED. Only the cost is slightly higher. If you share your photos and information such as age, I can offer you a second doctor's opinion. You can easily compare.

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

Just shared! I’m 34.

[GoliGoliGoli]

May I suggest Dr Nader in Reynosa Mexico if you're willing to travel? 

[dronay]

43 minutes ago, Gi29 said:

Does this mean that the doctors are not involved in the extraction step? With doctors from Turkey (both from Reddit and this forum), I have seen problems with donor over harvesting (often with high transection rate). And so, extraction step is a crucial step in this surgery. 

For you personally, do you perform both extraction and incision steps? How many patients do you take care in a day? 

In our clinic, the doctor always determines the number of grafts to be taken from the donor area. The doctor also determines how many grafts will be taken from donor area. When experienced technicians do in accordance with the doctor's directive, there will be no problem.

Incisions are made by doctors without exception, both in London and Istanbul. Technicians can never make incisions with us.

We accept 2 operations per day (1 Morning and 1 Afternoon) in London and 6 operations (3 Mornings and 3 Afternoons) in Istanbul. Thus, 3 doctors can keep all operations under personal control. In this way, the quality does not change from patient to patient.

 

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

[dronay]

21 minutes ago, Baldyboy said:

Just shared! I’m 34.

If you don't mind, can I see your donor area as well?

[Baldyboy]

3 minutes ago, dronay said:

If you don't mind, can I see your donor area as well?

Back of head hair is quite thick (imo)

 

 

[dronay]

A natural front line should be planned and created for you. Because when you look in the mirror, this will be the main factor that will change you. Afterwards, the Top and Crown Area where you have existing hair should be tightened.

This is roughly your donor area where we can get the grafts. It's not very wide, but it will be enough. 4000-4500 grafts can be planned. During the face-to-face consultation, if your existing hair is weaker than expected, grafts can also be taken from the beard area.

 

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

[Baldyboy]

Wow thanks for this. To be honest I’m not looking for a perfect hairline, just one that supplements the current one more with a some more in the widows peak area. 
 

it’s density and mid part that I would like. I’ve been in contact with a few and most common number I’m getting back in 3000-3500.

[mister_25]

42 minutes ago, Baldyboy said:

Starting fin today so will be about 3-4 months in when I go.

In these photos, You look to be about a Norwood 4 who will clearly go into a Norwood 5

I highly advise waiting a full year on medication. 3-4 months on Finasteride is nothing for your long term goals. You will need to document 12 months too see if your hair has stabilised.

if you go now and your hair doesn’t stabilize. You will get a island of dense hair in the front and partially the mid scalp and a barren empty crown that takes up a large portion of your head.

No doctor in Turkey has the portfolio or skills for your case. I would recommend you go to a doctor that specialises in higher Norwood’s and has expert world class donor management skills. 
 

 

14 minutes ago, Baldyboy said:

Back of head hair is quite thick (imo)

 

 

Your showing signs of Retrograde Alopecia above your ears and by your name. This limits your lifetime donor.

Also I can’t tell by the lighting clearly but you might be showing early signs of going into a high Norwood pattern (6 or 7). You will need to prevent this because it will give you a large challenge in the future. Luckily your beard doesn’t look too bad and could be used as a alternative resource if things go really bad.

having a Norwood 6/7 final pattern with retrograde puts you in a poor position. You will need to go to the very best to get the most out of your donor without compromising it.

With all respect. Cosmedica and ASMED have been producing poor results quite frequently and follow a hair mill like structure of quantity over quality and are doing their best to make sales, rather than successful hair transplants.

 

20 minutes ago, dronay said:

 

[dronay]

12 minutes ago, mister_25 said:

In these photos, You look to be about a Norwood 4 who will clearly go into a Norwood 5

I highly advise waiting a full year on medication. 3-4 months on Finasteride is nothing for your long term goals. You will need to document 12 months too see if your hair has stabilised.

if you go now and your hair doesn’t stabilize. You will get a island of dense hair in the front and partially the mid scalp and a barren empty crown that takes up a large portion of your head.

No doctor in Turkey has the portfolio or skills for your case. I would recommend you go to a doctor that specialises in higher Norwood’s and has expert world class donor management skills. 
 

 

Your showing signs of Retrograde Alopecia above your ears and by your name. This limits your lifetime donor.

Also I can’t tell by the lighting clearly but you might be showing early signs of going into a high Norwood pattern (6 or 7). You will need to prevent this because it will give you a large challenge in the future. Luckily your beard doesn’t look too bad and could be used as a alternative resource if things go really bad.

having a Norwood 6/7 final pattern with retrograde puts you in a poor position. You will need to go to the very best to get the most out of your donor without compromising it.

With all respect. Cosmedica and ASMED have been producing poor results quite frequently and follow a hair mill like structure of quantity over quality and are doing their best to make sales, rather than successful hair transplants.

 

Of course, I cannot vouch for them. It would be better if they answered the questions themselves. In my own clinic, I see all patients before and after the operation. (Online or Face to Face. Because we work in two different countries.)

Thank you for your answers.

Dr.Kuddusi ONAY

[Baldyboy]

I should clarify, above my ears and top of my neck is a fade. Also there is think spot on top of my head to the right side that looks like alopecia, but is in fact a shaving accident (circled in yellow)

 

heres another pic, I edited and put in “Vivid” oh my iPhone to exaggerate it.