Gorpy

Looks very nice for 6 months my friend. There will be much more in the next 3 months.

Interesting Mrjb.

I have gotten similar reactions. There have been some serious double takes at my hair - almost like a look of shock. The other day I was at a happy hour with some co-workers. One of them said, "So you're wearing your hair differently now". Another said, "Yeah, it makes you look a lot younger" (like just wearing it differently would do that). I just chuckled and said "Yeah, do you like it?".

Gorp

Looks very nice hardini. Congrats!

It's easy to tell someone to take a stand, but the reality is that you can be sued for libel. Whether you win the case or not is irrelevant if you have to spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer to defend yourself.

Most libel cases are civil cases. What that means is there is not a "presumption of innocence" involved as is in a criminal case. The basis for deciding a civil case is a "predominance of evidence". What does that mean? Basically it means that whoever has the "stronger" case wins. Good lawyers can make their case appear "stronger" than yours.

Be careful.

All you legal guys out there, correct me if I am wrong. I am not an attorney but this is my understanding.

This is not a bad or unexpected result considering the hair characteristics that Dr. Epstein describes. This patient only received 3743 hairs from his 2400 grafts. That's way below average. The average 2400 graft patient would receive around 5200 hairs at a 2.2 hair per graft. His 3700 hair procedure is the equivalent of a 1700 graft procedure for an average patient.

Considering that he covered an area somewhat equivalent to my first procedure (I think), that's about what I would expect. I had 300 more grafts, but 2000 more hairs moved - and mine was still somewhat thin!

Never underestimate how much hair it takes to get a significant result.

Gorp

You hairy son of a gun! Looks great P40. Congrats!

Ok. Whew! I thought Alzheimer's was kicking in when I couldn't remember posting those things. Now I know it was Joe all along . Bill, I demand action!

BTW - you can tell it is Joe inpersonating me when the speling is realy bad.

The Real Deal,

Gorp

It is not up to you to determine how somebody voices their opinion. B Spot's question/concern is a valid one and one that should only be addressed by the clinic or the patient.

If not me then who? The one statement TELLING him to be sure to ask for more singles next time was a presumptuous statement to say the least and has NOTHING to do inquiring about how this was done.

I have no problem with anyone asking legitimate questions.

I do not get paid to endorse and/or promote any doctor. Nor do I perform experiments on watermelons in an effort to make myself appear to be a doctor while promoting a certain technique.

This comment is inappropriate and is a blatant attempt to start a fight with JoTronic. Furthermore, it is irrelevant to this thread entirely.

I thought it was funny. Jotronic shows no respect for me or this site so I show none for him.

Frankly, I find your constant defense of Dr. Keene tiresome. People have a right to question anything and everything as every hair restoration clinic is open to public criticism.

Frankly, I find the fact that this site is dominated by you and the clinic employees to be tiring.

The reason I defend Dr. Keene's clinic is it's the one I know the most about AND I feel somewhat of an obligation to balance out the paid promoters on this site.

So Frankly, I am about ready to leave this site. If it were not for some of the good friends I have made, I would have no problem doing that (I can hear the clinic employees rejoicing at the thought).

Besides, you joe and Bspot can answer any question out there (in your own biased way). Why do you really need and real patients who are not associated with clinics?

The problem with BSpot's statement:

"If/When you decide to go again, make sure you ask for a few more singles to feather the hairline (if needed of course)"

is that it is NOT a question. The presumption is made that he NEEDS them. It's the way you stated it.

A better way to state a question would be:

"That seems like a very low single hair count. Could you ask your doctor how she was able to acheive a refined look in your hairline with a relatively low single hair count?"

NN,

You know so much about me, it's down right SCARY! (play music from twilight zone).

Bill you made me laugh. Do you really think I work for Dr. Keene?

It's just the way some people say things. For example:

"If/When you decide to go again, make sure you ask for a few more singles to feather the hairline (if needed of course)."

That just sounds a little silly to me. If, based on Dr. Paul Shapiro's statement about how many singles he uses for the hairline, I said - "BSpot, would you pass this along to Dr. Shapiro for me. 3 to 4 hundred singles for building a hairline sound a little unrefined to me. Could you start placing 5 to 6 hundred starting with your next patient (if needed of course)?

See how silly that sounds?

Gorp

disclaimer:

I do not get paid to endorse and/or promote any doctor. Nor do I perform experiments on watermelons in an effort to make myself appear to be a doctor while promoting a certain technique.

It was Doctor Paul Shapiro who said,

"For most hairline cases I usually plant 300 - 400 one hair folliular unit grafts at the front of the hairline and 400 - 600 two hair folliular unit grafts in the transition zone to create the hair line."

So Furless' 297 is close enough. Dr. Keene tends to add a few more after she just quits counting and does her magic final touches on on the hairline. So she might have added a few more uncounted singles. In any case, I don't think we need question Dr. Keene's technique and ability to create a feathered hairline, do we?

You're lookin' good buddy! Dr. Rahal does great hairlines. I'm happy for you.

Congratulations Furless. That's a lot of hair! Happy growing.

Gorp

God didn't make us bald. He didn't make some short and some tall. He didn't make children born with horrible diseases. He didn't make those born with the perfect physique. He simply made us, flaws, compromises and all. I'm sure He could care less, in the grand scheme, if you are bald or not.

I have challenged religious people on this before. If you are getting into the realm of claiming a reversal of baldness, you are also (whether you know it or not) getting into the realm of curing illnesses. While many religious zealots have claimed to be able to do so, their real achievements in this area have been so pitiful that they can't even make a statistically significant difference ANYWHERE, EVER!

Go back to your support group (your church) and preach to them. I'm sure they'll love it.

Hope I didn't offend anyone, but religious people selling snake oil really piss me off.

Gorp

Very nice rjvw! It's filling in nicely. Very natural looking too. Dr. Epstein did a nice job with a relatively small number of grafts.

Oblivion,

I agree that there are some problems with your current hairline. You have obviously lost some hair and it has left a rather pluggy look exposed from your previous transplants. You can't turn back time, but you can drop in for a consult with Dr. Alexander in Phoenix. He does some outstanding hairline work that could really fix you up. He could reduce your scar also. There's no reason to continue suffering over this.

You can also go down to Tucson for a consult with Dr. Keene.

I know what you're up to NN. You're trying to prepare me for your upcoming great results

Congrats Furless. I am glad to have been some help. I really don't post my pictures to try to lead anyone towards my doctor - only to show what I have achieved.

You are correct and very perceptive in noticing that doctors have a certain "style" that is all their own.

It sounds like you are getting a two day session. Is that correct? How many grafts are you expecting to get?

Gorp

Hey dazza, I'm sure you'll turn out great. Dr. Feller does excellent work.

Yes, unfortunately that is the case. Even with medication you could still continue to lose hair. Sometimes the medication just slows down the loss. Doctors try to combat this problem by placing a more mature hairline. That way, considering a finite donor supply from the back of your head, they can meet future hair loss needs by covering less space. That is why it is not advisable to fill in a young patients temples/hairline to restore them to a youthful level.

Dr. Paul Rose.

Lookin' good RJVW. Still more to come.

Originally posted by Gorpy:

Originally posted by NervousNelly:

Gorpy,

 

Sounds strange, but I really analysed all of your photos and looked at Dr. Keenes website and photos and was trying to assess things with your HT and her artistry.

 

That's not strange NN.

 

Firstly, I truly believe that she angled the frontal hairline grafts in more of a unique pattern than what might be typically done with other top physicians. I liked your close-up photos that detailed the angles placed. What this does for you is 2-fold.

 

1. It provides a more creative look than generally seen and adds a softness to the hairline.

2. It staggers the hairs in such a way that it increases the look of density or at least limits the see thru appearance. It's like looking thru a forest. If all the trees are standing straight up you can see thru it; whereas if some are leaning or falling, it is tougher to see as far thru. Simplistic way of looking at it but you get the idea.

 

I agree NN. I think you are referring to the way they angle out towards the sides. You just don't see hairline angles like that from other docs. I have tried to emphasize in the past that this is what you can get when you have a doctor who 1) is an artist, 2) emphasizes naturalness and 3) spends a lot of extra time herself on the hairline. I might add that she might have determined that this would work for me and maybe not for others. Each person is unique.

 

I have a couple of questions for you:

 

1. Did you have a lot of input with what you were trying to achieve? Did you bring in a photo? Did you tell her how you hoped to style your hair?

 

Not really. I just had some general input in regards to thickening certain areas. If you noticed I am styling it differently now. I didn't plan on that, but now that I can, I like the way it looks.

 

2. The kicker for you seems to be the addition in the temporal areas with the second HT. Was that your idea or hers or a collaboration?

 

Actually I didn't expect that much to be put in the temporal areas. Since I had already had a procedure with her once and knew of her skill, I kind of left it up to her. Plus, I think that addition to the temporal areas was a result of the purposeful thickening of the areas directly behind that, which was the main target. As a result, she was able bring some additions more forward than I had expected.

 

3. Because many of the frontal hairs are angled as such, does it limit your choice of hairstyle? Could you part on the right?

 

Hmmm... good question. Yes, I think so, but I might have to wet it down to get it to stay that way. I play around with it sometimes and part it down the middle. That seems to work fine.

 

I realise that you had a post that showed what dramatic changes 1000 fu could make, but as I stated then, I think that your 1st HT hadn't fully matured. The extra 1000Fu did however make a great change, and if the growth timetable follows the 1st, you are only going to get better.

 

You could be right.

 

I know it is a little bizarre that I would spend the time to analyse things with your transformation, but since most here agree that your HT is among the best we've seen, I wanted to understand why it is. Ofcourse hair characteristics are a huge aspect as well and you do have good characteristics for a refined, soft look, but not necessarily density. Dr. Keene hit the mark on all levels.

 

I thank you for such a detailed history of your process as it really will help many of us to become more educated.

 

Take care buddy.

 

NN

 

P.S.--Wow. I didn't even realize it, but this became my 1000 post. Couldn't have picked a better topic than the Gorpster (a mathematical, mexican eating, tequila drinking, woman magnet, Jotronic stompin, pimp status individual like yourself. )

A woman magnet...? yeah an OLD woman magnet

LOL

BTW - Congratulations on your 1000th post.

Originally posted by NervousNelly:

Gorpy,

 

Sounds strange, but I really analysed all of your photos and looked at Dr. Keenes website and photos and was trying to assess things with your HT and her artistry.

 

That's not strange NN.

 

Firstly, I truly believe that she angled the frontal hairline grafts in more of a unique pattern than what might be typically done with other top physicians. I liked your close-up photos that detailed the angles placed. What this does for you is 2-fold.

 

1. It provides a more creative look than generally seen and adds a softness to the hairline.

2. It staggers the hairs in such a way that it increases the look of density or at least limits the see thru appearance. It's like looking thru a forest. If all the trees are standing straight up you can see thru it; whereas if some are leaning or falling, it is tougher to see as far thru. Simplistic way of looking at it but you get the idea.

 

I agree NN. I think you are referring to the way they angle out towards the sides. You just don't see hairline angles like that from other docs. I have tried to emphasize in the past that this is what you can get when you have a doctor who 1) is an artist, 2) emphasizes naturalness and 3) spends a lot of extra time herself on the hairline.

 

I have a couple of questions for you:

 

1. Did you have a lot of input with what you were trying to achieve? Did you bring in a photo? Did you tell her how you hoped to style your hair?

 

Not really. I just had some general input in regards to thickening certain areas. If you noticed I am styling it differently now. I didn't plan on that, but now that I can, I like the way it looks.

 

2. The kicker for you seems to be the addition in the temporal areas with the second HT. Was that your idea or hers or a collaboration?

 

Actually I didn't expect that much to be put in the temporal areas. Since I had already had a procedure with her once and knew of her skill, I kind of left it up to her. Plus, I think that addition to the temporal areas was a result of the purposeful thickening of the areas directly behind that, which was the main target. As a result, she was able bring some additions more forward than I had expected.

 

3. Because many of the frontal hairs are angled as such, does it limit your choice of hairstyle? Could you part on the right?

 

Hmmm... good question. Yes, I think so, but I might have to wet it down to get it to stay that way. I play around with it sometimes and part it down the middle. That seems to work fine.

 

I realise that you had a post that showed what dramatic changes 1000 fu could make, but as I stated then, I think that your 1st HT hadn't fully matured. The extra 1000Fu did however make a great change, and if the growth timetable follows the 1st, you are only going to get better.

 

You could be right.

 

I know it is a little bizarre that I would spend the time to analyse things with your transformation, but since most here agree that your HT is among the best we've seen, I wanted to understand why it is. Ofcourse hair characteristics are a huge aspect as well and you do have good characteristics for a refined, soft look, but not necessarily density. Dr. Keene hit the mark on all levels.

 

I thank you for such a detailed history of your process as it really will help many of us to become more educated.

 

Take care buddy.

 

NN

 

P.S.--Wow. I didn't even realize it, but this became my 1000 post. Couldn't have picked a better topic than the Gorpster (a mathematical, mexican eating, tequila drinking, woman magnet, Jotronic stompin, pimp status individual like yourself. )

LOL

BTW - Congratulations on your 1000th post.