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Folica, I agree with that. I'm not sure that it is from being weathered or not, but all of us can look at the hair in the back of our heads and it tends to be darker. So, yes, when it is moved to the front it will be darker.

Glad I could offer some entertainment value Let's clarify something: A soft thinning look you mention NN, is not necessarily how I would describe a soft, feathered hairline. What I mean is, it's only the beginning and then it increases into good density behind. You guys mention that it looks age appropriate for me etc., but personally I think it would look good on a 30 year old, as long as there is non see-through density behind it. See what I mean? Now, let's talk about the artistry involved. When we were talking about "stick and place" which is a term I probably should not have used, we were talking about a doctor who spends a good hour or more in the final stages of the transplant to refine the hairline. It's not a matter of a sticking a few hairs there. There is a huge effort required involving potentially hundreds of hairs. I remember Dr. Keene spending that amount of time just on my hairline. She would place some, then step back, take a look, place some more... on and on. It took a long time, but I just sat there, happy as a clam because I appreciated the work.

I'm glad to hear that ActionRadar. I think you'll really have a good result after this. I got some of those DFU's and it's really working for me.

Ok, Joe, no hard feelings. I was a little over sensitive. I think you were more than a little off. It was more like 2 cm off, which is a country mile in terms of hairlines. But anyway, who's counting? Yes those are some soft looking hairlines you posted.

BTW - where I placed the ruler is exactly where I placed the line in my original new hairline picture.

Sorry about the F-bomb. You have a way of pissing me off Joe. I don't take it lightly when someone challenges me on something so simple as my hairline placement. I'm not trying to deceive anyone and I know where my hairline was placed. As far as being 5.5 cm above my eyebrows - well, yes, the thin part of the widows peak is about that. But that thin area is part of what makes it natural looking. It's all part of the hairline. BTW - I don't consider myself as having salt and pepper hair. I don't really have any grey in the transplanted area. The only grey I have is in the temples. My hair is light brown all over the top.

Ok, I said I would supply proof that my pictures and the lines drawn are accurate so hear they are. Joe's has drawn the lines inaccurately for some reason. Frankly I'm surprised he would make those camera angle mistakes, as much as he works with pictures. Using the ear as a marker is totally inaccurate based on camera angles (as Aquarius point out). The TRUE indicator of my new and old hairline positions is indicated CLEARLY by markers on my head CLOSE to the hairline! No weird camera angle distortion, just plain old fact. Notice the rogue hair in each picture which I have indicated. It's there from before my transplant and is still there afterwards. This is important because it is right next to my hairline. Now for my clue about living in the South West. I grew up in the Southwest. The sun exposure unfortunately left what I'll call a permanent "ridge of discoloration" on my head that is clearly visible to this day. I have marked just below it (about 1cm below it)in both pictures. You can see that it is an indicator of where my original youthful hairline was. It curves down to form a widows peak, then curves back up on the other side. Let's use that along with the rogue hair as indicators of where my hair line was/is. After all they are RIGHT there next to it! Note that the rogue hair is approx. .5 cm above the "ridge of discoloration". Look at it in the before picture in relation to my hairline. Now look at it in the after picture in relation to my hairline. Wow! My hairline was brought WAY down into bald skin area. This is proof fellas. So, in conclusion - I don't know where you get off Joe, telling me where my hairline was placed in relation to my original. Do you F*ing think I don't know? That's bizarre behavior Joe. I'm a nice guy Joe. I'll let you put a little mustard on the hat. Oh and for the record:

Well, get ready to eat you hat then Joe, because you are wrong and I'll prove it later tonight when I have time. Fortunately and unfortunately for me I have lots of markings on my weathered face that I can use as a reference point. I'll give you guys a clue in case you're interested. Besides the rogue hair which Joe completely ignored, there is another clear marking on my face that has to do with living in the South West. BTW - my hairline is 5.5 cm above my eyebrows.

Jagdish! Good to hear from you man. Welcome back. Gorp

If you are saying that this little bit of hair is what is causing my hairline to look so good, well, I guess you're entitled to your opinion. Using the little rogue hair that is still there as a point of reference, I drew a line strait across so that you can see where my new hairline was constructed. Before any work: New hairline:

I have to disagree with that Joe. What we are referring to by stick and place might be interpreted differently. What we mean is a final stick and place specifically in the hairline, after the other grafts have been placed. This is a technique commonly used by the best hairline doctors to refine their art work (your head). It works and is simply adding to the quality and artistry of the hairline. Of course, stick and place can also mean an overall technique used for all grafts meaning that the incision is made and then you immediately place the graft. But that wasn't what we were talking about. I also disagree that I had hair close to the hairline. If you look closely, I had my hairline lowered by at least 1.5 cm. There was absolutely no hair in that area. Sure there was some behind it. A little. But the first 1 to 1.5 cm of hairline was completely reconstructed from nothing. I do agree that my fine hair characteristics improve my overall naturalness. The bottom line and point of this thread is that there is a difference between a soft feathered hairline and a hard hairline. I think that even with courser hair, a hairline can be made do look softer with the proper artistry. Maybe not as soft as mine, but nevertheless, softer.

Yes, only 4.5 months now.

That's true Mrjb. Many doctors are just out there quietly doing excellent work. Dr. True is one of those.

Wow! Those are very encouraging comments. Thanks guys.

Yes P-30, things are starting to happen. Exciting times are just around the corner.

Yes, but mostly they just glance at my hair while I'm talking to them.

It is fairly common for a small percentage of the transplanted hairs to grow from the start and never shed. I had some do that also. You could still experience some post op shedding though. I would trust what Dr. Epstein says. If you are not going into the same area, you can do a follow-up transplant fairly quickly.

Well thanks NN! I get a lot of people glancing at my hair now. I can almost hear them thinking "what's going on with all that hair? It looks too natural to be a transplant. Where did it come from?"

Ha! LOL Nervous. Thanks guys. It's true, harry guys do have more fun.

That sounds great Scooping. I look forward to seeing your progress.

Good to hear from you Bezane and thanks. Dr. Keene butts heads plenty - not online but in meetings with other docs.

I understand finnari. Maybe your post will have a positive result after all.

That's a good point Mrjb. I think that's a possibility. I wonder if anyone has tried that. Keep in mind that I had no hair in at least the first CM of my hairline and very little in the temples.

Hi Andy, The answer is yes, the HT hair is just as strong as your regular non-transplanted hair. It's growth cycles are the same and you can do to it whatever you do to the non-transplanted hair.

Thanks Mrjb, Yes, you and I are at the fun time now. No more doldrums.