bverotti

I often get the remark that the tranplants seem to grow faster than the original hairs close to the transplants. Probably this can be explained that transplants are strong, dht resistant hairs and grow at a normal rate. Original hairs already affected by dht on the other hand tend to grow slower and produce thinner hair.

FUE procedures are commen to run for 2 consecutive days. I remember my session with dr. Jones that went on for 3 consecutive days. Therefore we strive to optimize the procedure to get as much done in a single day, less downtime for the patient and no double anestetics.

NN, We always take pics of patients right before going in for the session, there is no difference in my case. That morning I looked like that. The only difference being that I did not wash my hair nor style it ... it was going to get buzzed anyway. The after pics are taken under a TL light. But I have nothing to hide and I will take some more pics, under similar lighting conditions as my before pics. And if that is not enough Pat can comment on my results, we met about 2 months ago. PGP, never used dermatch or toppic in my life to improve my results, not a single pixel in my photo's are faked. Make no mistake, my hair is growing and gives me a natural result. However it is NOT comparable to my orginal hair thicknes, not even close after almost 6000 grafts. It gives the impression of more hair then what the eye sees. My balding area is just too big to go for high density all over the place. What is important is that it gives an illusion of hair under normal conditions. Thinking of it, we usually have a 1000W lamp pointed at people when taking pics, that is surely not a normal condition, maybe we should just use TL light instead?

Bill, In fact what you are saying is that I am a liar, no more no less. If you stand by that, than I suggest that you should step back as a moderator because it is becoming more and more evident that you have an agenda. If you feel you need to ban me for this comment it will only confirm this. To my defence : (I should point out that I have rarely seen anyone here posting pics being harrased as I have lately) On this very weboard you may find my experience reports of my procedure with dr. Jones, why should I hide this? My pics are honoust as can be, in fact my story has been documented in great detail. I can not see how you can feel I deceive anyone. The pics above (first post) are what they are, taken just before my procedure with dr. Ilter, just minutes after the session and 9 months later, period. The picture of the final result of dr. Jones you have posted are indeed my results, having a perfect haircut and hairstyle. I looked quite different in the morning, and this is true for many HT patients. We need to style our hair in a way to make optimal use of the available hair. Today this has become much much more easier by just having more hair. Last but not least : I may have lost some grafts over the years. As you know the grafts from my strip operation also contained some miniturized follicles that I may have lost over the years. Some of dr. Jones grafts may have been take a little outside the safe zone, creating some loss of hairs over the years as well. There exist no perfect HT technique today. I stand by the pics I posted above, they are true and have not been altered in any way to intentionally deceive anyone. Bart

Here are some pics of me before any HT Bverotti before HT Bverotti minutes before HT with dr. Jones Me 10 months after FUE dr Jones The results of dr. Jones where excellent. But remember this is a HT, not full density. One must comb his hair in a certain why to get more illusion of coverage. After my densification with dr. Ilter it has become much much easier to style my hair. Maybe it is not very visible on the pics, but people around me have noticed a serious improvement. Please don't try to spin my results, I don't see any reason to doubt my integrity. If you are willing to come over and see my results in person I am treating a nice Belgian diner :-) Bart

Good news is that even a lot of guys with less than optimal donor banks can get a lot of transplants. Hoewever it will need a combo of both strip and FUE in that case.

Sorry for the confusion, but I used to have my story in my signature (which I changed and forgot) Ok, 2001 1800 grafts strip surgery in Belgium, hairline, frontal 1/3 2003 2100 FUE dr. Jones, placed frontal all the way up to crown In the picture here : Just before going in FUE with dr. Ilter, last year november. Up to that point I really had to use my skills to make my hairstyle cover my head to make it look the best it can be. Now it is easy to make my hair look look. The right upper pictures is immediately post OP dr. Ilter The after pics where taken under a TL light, I do not feel they misrepresent the reality in any way. I thought it would be my last surgery cause of donor depletion. To our own suprise the doc gave me tumbs up for another +- 1500 grafts if I ever wanted it. That would put my FUE counter on about 5500 grafts, very good considering I also had a strip session which left me a big scar. I have 2 blogs that show the progres of both my FUE session: http://users.pandora.be/bverotti/ht2/ http://fue-hairtransplants.blogspot.com/

My own results 9 months after 1850 FUE grafts by dr. Ilter.

My own results 9 months after 1850 FUE grafts by dr. Ilter.

If you find none of the presented results acceptable then it most likely says more about you then about the cases presented.

Bill, I PM you some FUE insights, mind to comment on them?

Excellent post Bill, really good stuff. "For example: a NW5 might decide to use all their grafts in the front 2/3 of their scalp and leave the crown alone. Will that necessarily look unnatural? Admittedly it could - however, if the grafts are strategically placed in such a way that leaves the crown area mostly bald - it could leave the patient looking like a natural NW3. This would still be a huge improvement while still looking natural." The coach of Bayern Munich has never had a HT, but he has a very nice conservative hairline, some coverage on top and a bald crown. The guy is pure natural, so any HT resembling his hair is natural since nature does create such hair situation on occasion. Sadly like you say those who are high on the NW scale usually can't have coverage and high density. Very often these guys also have limited donor areas as well.

I beg to differ on this point. We want to show our work, not hiding anything. We prefer to have other docs come in and check it out. These drs are in a much better position to check reality from fiction. If we where just talking BS, we would NOT ask for verification, it would be suicide ... I am sure you can agree to this. Pictures are good, on hand verification is far better. Listen, if I where in your shoes Bill, I might be just as sceptical as you are now. To you our claims sound radical, to us it is daily stuff. Our main problem is getting people to show there results. The 3000 graft case we presented on this website was cancelled today. Although the patient has his own website, he does not want his pictures to be used anymore and we have to respect this. Please do not make any speculations about this, the patient is very happy with his results, there are no problems. It just illustrates that we have little patients helping us presenting cases.

Joe, Making claims that the average strip clinic gets 2500-3000 grafts is just plain wrong. The docs represented on this board are mostly the top strip clinics worldwide. However we both know that thousands of other dr and institutes are not represented here. Heck, just down the road we have a doc doing 800 FUT sessions maximum. So lets agree that top clinic average out about 2500-3000 grafts per session. I say average, I know there are giga cases, but there are some guys with poor laxity and poor donor area that can not even get 2000 in a session. Now, from our experience we can say that the Average person can have 3000 grafts harvested by FUE in 1 session (be it in 1 or 2 days) provided he had no previous surgeries. We are talking about intact full FU"s, not counting splitted grafts. We are seeing patient comming back to us for additional work that we initially thought would not be possible to get more grafts. Sometimes we are just amazed ourselves to see that another big session is possible ... as if some hairs regrew in the donor area (which obviously is not the case). To date we estimate that about 4000-5000 grafts are harvestable on the AVERAGE person using FUE only. If a person wants even more it is technically possible, however thinning may start to be visible. Some people have told us however that a thinning donor area is mixing in better with hair transplants which are hardly ever high density on progressed NW patients anyway. Since we can start a second procedure in just about 2 months after the first treatment, patients with average donor supply choosing FUE will have full results faster. It is just math, and it all adds up. The main issue I feel is that it has not yet been accepted that FUE growth yield is equal to strip yield. This is an ongoing debate and we will work on this. Your clinic was in a similar situation proving first mega sessions and afterwards giga sessions. You came through and your claims are now widely accepted and copied. We offer surgeons to witness our procedures, heck I even invited dr. Wong last time we met in Paris. As you have backup up your claims, so will we. BTW we have never stated FUE would produce better results and no scarring. You know this is false, I know this is false. Every time skin is cut it forms scarring. Question is how to minimize the unnatural appearance of scarring. By default linear scarring is unnatural. Patients with previous strip sessions always have this tremendous problem hiding their linear scar after FUE, that is fact. You are comming from a top strip clinic and have good results with the system that you are using. I might have a diffent view on things if I where in your shoes. My experiences with hair surgery has led me to believe that results also include donor area problems. These problems are IMHO lowballed. In the end the HT industry will face a patients revolution rarely seen before. It will be patients who will push clinics and docs to change the way things are done. I note that already 1 other strip clinic has taken the step towards full FUE. Why would they do it? I am sure they had strip patients lined up from here to Tokyo and back. Have a good weekend, Bart

Bill, We have invited sereral well known docs already to come in and watch a procedure. To date not one has showed up. Price : Ok, the dollar is extremely weak against the Euro and makes it all a bit unfair to compare at this moment. This makes our prices artificially more expensive. Our docs, who work independantly of each other are charging: dr. Ilter : 6 Euro per graft dr. De Reys : 4,5 Euro up to 1000 grafts, 2,5 thereafter.

Bill, Dont take our discussions personal, I just want to express not only myselve, but my opinion is exactly what our docs stand for. In other words, my statements here do not differ from that of our docs. Obviously I can not speak for other FUE only docs. We feel that strip surgery is no longer a first option for HT candidates. In any other medical field, less invasive treatments are always preffered if they give same results, why not in hair restauration ? To sumerize : I disagree : Growth yield : if both are executed correctly there is no difference between strip and FUE grafts Session size : Let's talk averages, not extremes FUE will ALWAYS produce faster or equally fast final results then strip surgery on the average person. To max out a person donor area a FUE-strip combo is at present the best solution. Candidates : There is no such thing as a good or bad FUE candidate. Seriously, this non issue just a lack of experience of the doc. Black, white, straight, curly ... FUE docs will not shy away or throw the towel. From own experience I can officially state that we have never send a patient home because of certain hair characteristics. Price : Prices are certainly not double anymore, I suggest doing some updates. What is needed? More well trained and experienced FUE dedicated docs. There are just far TOO FEW. With all respect, but I again want to inform that you should talk to FUE experts. By no means I want to suggest our docs are better, but I am convinced they have more FUE experience than any hybrid FUE-strip surgeon, hands down.

Hair transplantation should be looked upon as being a house. The costs of a house is tremendous, but you know it is a longterm investment. So if you look at it this way the investment pro year is limited. For some of us it is the difference between living a happy life, or worry and avoid the mirror. Remember, a HT is an optional treatment.

Oh yes, FUE is going to replace strip as a preffered method of choice, no hair on my head that doubts it. Look around the boards worldwide and you will notice that the word FUE is become more and more popular. However the problem today is that there are just TOO FEW good FUE docs around. Furthermore FUE wannabees are going to jump in for the money and leaving a trail of unhappy patients. But wait ... that has been going on with strip since I dont even remember when it started.

Well, this is what makes weboards a valuable place : difference in meaning and interesting discussions. Let me start out by pointing out that no surgeon would be insulted if some of his collegues find solutions to problems. Most surgeons would welcome these ideas and incorporate them for the welbeing of patients. Maybe you can share with us the people you are basing your research upon. That would make a good start. In case you have not included dedicated FUE docs (like the ones I mentioned) then I respectfully suggest rewriting your text after finding out what the experts are saying about FUE. BTW, I am well aware that we are going against the flow ... but you know tides do change !

Bill, I just read some of the text on the link presented by you. It is quite shocking to read for me since I basically disagree with about everything that is mentioned about FUE. Maybe we should ask the writer to check out a true FUE specialist. Then of course who is a true FUE specialist? I would strongly suggest talking to the people who do perform FUE day in day out. To my knowledge these are : dr. Woods, Dr. Ilter, Dr. De Reys (maybe some others, please add to the list if you have other names) Drs who offer FUE as strip alternative, or perform it once every week, even twice, are NOT in the same leage. So maybe we should really get some guys together and talk things over. My suggestion is that you talk to dr. Ilter during the upcomming ISHRS. Maybe you or Pat are present. That would be extremely interesting for all the readers here to read what a true FUE expert has to say.

I recently shared some pictures of woman hair transplant result http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/showthread.php?t=153787

I had 2100 FUE grafts with doctor Jones in 2003. The result was excellent, near to 100% growth and it looks very natural. I recommend him for FUE work.

If this is how it looked after 12 months I would worry. Since you are 6 months out I would not worry too much.

Hi Kel, Happy to see that we are on your short list. We don't have a lot of patients that post on weboards, lot alone English speaking forums. As for strip vs FUE it will be an ongoing debate for some years to come (as it has been for some years now). I believe our docs have been doing FUE longer then most. Experience is key, especially for FUE sessions. We started offering megasessions as soon as early 2006. If you want to read comments about our docs by ex patients I suggest you visit 'haarweb' website. Some ex patients of ours are reporting about us over there. I share hairme07 experience in that FUE is far far less invasive and healing is much more uncomplicated and much much faster (had both done)

This woman was bothered by receiding temples. Procedure done by dr. Ilter at prohairclinic Belgium Each side received about 400 grafts.