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Originally posted by nobuzz4me:
The likelyhood of hair growing back in the scar tissue is much less than if it were virgin tissue. If you pull the plugs and redistribute they may not survive in the open donor scars from which they first came.
The scar tissue is usually poorly vascularized.
I've heard this before. I'm not sure I agree with it. Is there any actual data on this?
I say this because I had a strip procedure done years ago to remove an area of larger punch grafts that were then cut and redistributed to fill in other areas. Then on a later session I had the strip scar filled in with some mini grafts to blend it in with the rest of my hair. They grew just fine.
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Mein Hair,
I'm in pretty much the same situation as you. The pluggy-ness of mine isn't so bad, but it's very thin. I'd be happy just to get the donor area thickened up a bit and maybe a little around the edges of the balding area so the area doesn't look so large. Obviously I can't do it with donor hair because I don't have any, so I've been thinking about using body hair to fill in a few spots. I certainly have enough hair on my body, but after 25 surgeries years ago, I'm afraid to try anything for fear of making it worse.
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Originally posted by Dave Shatz:
I not quite sure if there any former Bosley victim who got stabbed in the back like this.
OK. The title of the post is Bosley Boston. You say you went to a doctor in Florida. Now you're asking about former Bosley patients.
Question: Are you a former Bosley patient who then tried to have some fix up work done in Florida? That might explain a little bit about the session size. Were you just trying to put grafts in to cover a few scars? Were you just trying to fill in a small area where maybe a few grafts didn't grow?
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Originally posted by Dave Shatz:
ON the day I done the procedure, I recieve a bill from them saying
it was $4,000, but after the "discount" it become $680. I know the $680 probably gone into toilet by now, but is it a possbility the company can bill me the "unpaid" $3320 (if they remove the discount). a few weeks from now. What can I do to protect myself against the fraud.
Why are you so concerned about how much a discount was? They told you your final cost would be $680. You paid $680 and had the procedure done. They sent you a receipt saying you paid $680 and owe $0. They can't send you a bill later simply because they decide to bill you more. If that were possible I'd start charging everyone who ever bought anything from me an extra $500 after they paid for it.
From what you say, it sounds like they have a standard $4000 per session charge and whatever amount of grafts they do that's the price. This way you know how much it's going to cost you upfront. Since in your case they determined that for whatever reason you only needed a very small session, they gave you a "discount" on the standard $4000 session fee and made it $680. This $680 would cover however many grafts they ultimately did, but they estimated around 70.
The idea of doing that sounds ok to me, but you have to be careful that you don't get a lot less work done than they estimated because really you are pretty much getting charged for the estimated work, so if they do a lot less then that then you are paying more per graft then they led you to believe and you end up being overcharged compared to other places you could have gone.
In any case, what concerns me is if they really only did so few grafts. I did have a session of just 12 grafts many years ago with a strip scar (can you guys believe that!), but I didn't really think anyone was still as horrible as the place I went to. I'd like to know why you would only need 70 (or less as you say you got) grafts.
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I always combed my hair to the side because my hair naturally grows that way, so it wasn't too hard to cover the thinning on top at first. The problem was I was only in my mid teens. My mom used to yell at me to stop pulling my hair out. It wasn't easy being called the kid with the bald spot at 16 years old. By the time I was 18 I couldn't cover it anymore and people were even asking me what disease I had or what was wrong with me, so I did start doing more of a comb over to try to hide it more. I didn't really realize I was doing a combover until one day my mom said "You comb your hair like a 40 year old bald man." and I just said back to her "Well I AM bald. That's why I look 40." My mom was still blaming it on me thinking I was pulling my hair out because I loved to run my fingers though my hair all day and twirl the ends of it since I was a little kid. I spent a lot of time in front of the mirror after that... and I think I started combing it over even more.
The really bad part was after I had a hair transplant. Since then, I can't even cover the sides and back. I wish I could go back to just worrying about the top and maybe just shave it or cut it very short. Instead I have no options at all.
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Isn't avodart basically just Rogaine with a few things mixed in? If so just use Rogaine for much less money. I think there's a couple of people here who alternate Proscar and Dutasteride. Take Proscar one day and Dutasteride the next day.
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Originally posted by Aquarius:
Parable ; Are you now saying that a payoff is suffu\iciant?
If your motives are monetary I'll tell you right now to piss off.
Once they offer a refund you can no longer post that they won't honor their refund policy. If you refuse the refund they still offered it and you still can't say that they wouldn't give you one.
So basically I see his options as
1. Take the refund which was the original goal and stop posting about not getting a refund
OR
2. Refuse the refund and still be required to stop posting about not getting a refund becaus they offered it.
Seems like an easy decision. Why would you be mad at someone taking the refund that he was trying to get?
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Originally posted by notafraid:
I need help to understand the process of getting a hair transplant. I am 30 years old and dumb because I cannot see why I just can't get it done at Bosley. They say on the commercial that they garantee the hairs will grow and they will transplant hairs for free if they don't grow. HELP!
1. It's a commercial. Don't believe everything you see and hear.
2. You only have a limited amount of hairs that you can ever have transplanted. If some don't grow, you may not have enough donor area left to transplant more for free or for money. You are then left with less thickness than you should have had.
3. If they transplant 4000 grafts and 1000 don't grow, do you really want to risk another session with the same doctors considering there is a limited amount of donor hair?
4. Moving hair from one place on your head to another is only one part of the process. The transplanted hair has to look natural, be placed at the right angles, correct density to mix in with surrounding hair, etc.
5. There is also the donor scar. Some doctors are better at leaving less of a scar.
6. Bosley is a chain. You never know who will actually be working on you. Hair Transplant chains generally get the beginner hair transplant doctors. It's like the minor leagues. If they were really good they would open their own practice and make a lot more money.
7. Watch out for being quoted a price that is lower than other places, but then during the procedure they tell you they will need to charge more for various reasons.
8. Go here:
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I've been taking proscar for years. I started lifting weights almost daily about a year and a half ago. I found that my hair grows better now and I can use a lower dosage of proscar. I heard several fitness "experts" say that lifting weights is good for growing hair and I've found that it's true for me.
I don't know about the protein shakes though. I guess it depends on what in it.
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Originally posted by spj:
Hi,
Can anyone please tell me, if bio fibre implants, artificial bio fibre strand of hair are safe or not., are they good alternative to HT. pls advice
Artificial hair implants were banned in the US about 20 years ago because they have a high rate of infection. Just combing your hair can hurt and cause bleeding. It was also pluggy looking because they would put a bunch of hairs in each small implant (maybe 2mm wide I think they were). If you do smaller ones you would have to do more of them, so you're just going to have more of them getting infected and needing to be removed as time goes by.
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Originally posted by Not so bad:
Has anyone on this forum used their entire donor supply from strip surgeries and had more work done via FUE?
One thing to be concerened about is being able to cover the strip scar after FUE. Doing some FUEs in a limited area around your donor scar will leave the area around the scar thinner, so you may not be able to cover the scar as well with less hair around it.
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even though it could be the hair loss medicine causing problems, I'm sure they would be forced to mention any sort of side effects that you're facing. So either A) you're the first documented case to experience these side effects (which seems to be highly unlikely) or B) something else is the culprit.
To crewguy28:
It definately can be from the rogaine/minoxidil. I used to get dizzy, my heart would start beating rapidly, and a few other reactions.
Here are a few of the adverse reactions in the older documentation. I don't know what the wording is these days, but I think they've since downplayed a lot of this stuff now that it's over the counter rather than prescription.
7.36% had Respiratory reactions including bronchitis, upper respiratory infection, sinusitus.
4.33% had Gastrointestinal reactions including diarrhea, nausea, vomitting.
3.42% had neurological reactions including headache, dizziness, faintness, light-headedness.
1.53% had cardiovascular reactions including edema, chest pain, blood pressure increase or decrease, palpitations, pulse rate increase or decrease.
.36% had psychiatric reactions including anxiety, depression, fatigue.
There were other items listed with percentage rates from .31 to 7.36 but I only listed the ones that you say seem to be happenning to you.
I would stop taking the minoxidil and continue with the propecia and see what happens.
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my main concern is graft survival. If everything grows in as it is seen in the photos I think we'll be looking good. If not, we've got problems. Remember, 5 previous surgeries in that area... I am worried that the blood supply to the new grafts could be marginalized.
That shouldn't be a problem. I've had numerous surgeries and even had a transplanted area excised by strip removal to retransplant old plugs and then the resulting scar transplanted into during a later session.
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Originally posted by Tha Joe:
Hairmax Laser Comb actually has FDA Clearance for Hair Growth.
That is false. It has FDA clearance to be marketed as a safe medical device because it bears similarities with previous devices that have been shown to be safe. The FDA did not determine or even attempt to determine whether or not it has any hair growth abilities.
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Although it's only approved for safety that's certainly a good start. The price has been going down now that sales are picking up. You can get one for about $200 and you know it's safe to use. That's not a bad price to pay to see if it will work for you. There's really no risk. The meds for a year cost that much. It also doesn't stop you from using whatever meds you want to use along with it.
Lets forget about the clinics who charge money to go sit in a chair while a laser machine is put on your head. Lets ONLY look at the newer hand held "comb" type of lasers. If you go to a clinic twice a month or maybe once a week it's not going to have any affect. Let's face it, if you use propecia or minoxidil twice a month they aren't going to work either... yet pretty much everyone here agrees those meds DO work if used correctly.
So... lets look ONLY at the hand held lasers. If you search around the web, there's a good amount of evidence that it does work. I've heard several people say it at least had SOME benefits. Even the person who made the first post in this thread said it made his hair look better in 6 months. Isn't that about the same as we expect meds to do in 6 months? Don't you guys say stay with the meds at least a year especially if they seem to have stopped your loss and maybe making it look a little better? What if he stayed with it for the whole year? We already know it was working at least to some degree.
I'm not saying it's the best thing ever, but I do think there's enough evidence out there to show that it does work for some people.
Maybe I should buy one and try it and report back once a month. I actually think I might be a good candidate for it because I have a lot of long thin hairs growing all over my head that if I can just get them to be a little thicker to be similar to the other hairs on my head it would give me a much more full look even if I don't actually grow new hair.
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As for the advertisment at the top of this thread, there is clearly no defense and the intent to mislead is beyond refute.
Hyperbole in the name of good marketing is one thing, but outright lying is quite another. Had a NY licensed doctor placed this ad in NY, he would be disiplined IMMEDIATELY.
If this doctor has a practicing associate in New York state with a NY license he's about to get a nasty letter from the state.
It was by my reporting a very similar fraudulent advertising scheme that kept another off shore group of supposed FUE specialists out of New York. They did have an associate with a NYS license ready to act as a "franchisee", but after I sent a copy of the advertisment (similar to the above)to the NYS Dept of Medical Conduct that group vaporized. I know for a fact the State acted.
Is that some new stance that NY is taking? They certainly didn't care a few years ago. I produced a bunch of material about Dr Hitzig, Dr Shwinning, and Dr Handler in NY that claimed a hair transplant was a cure for baldness, they will give you a full head of hair, no scar in the donor area, you'll always be treated as a patient seeking medical advice (my procedures were done by someone who turned out to not have a license to practice), I could go on and on. The state never did anything at all. In fact the Drs are still practicing and STILL doing punch grafts. They call it a linear punch. It's just a rectangular punch graft tool rather than a round one.
They have offices in NY and NJ. I think the NJ State answers were even worse than NY. The NJ State Attorney general said it's not medical malpractice if the person doesn't have a license to practice medicine, so they weren't going to persue my complaint. Can you believe that!? It's a criminal act and they didn't care at all. According to THAT stance anyone at all can claim they are a doctor in NJ and do any surgery they want and be LESS likely to have the state look into a complaint than if they were licensed. No wonder Hitzig/Schwinning decided NOT to have someone in the NJ office have a license.
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I don't think it can go down any more. It's a pretty good deal now especially considering that you can achieve a much better appearance than in years past. Back in the late 80s and early 90s it cost between $18.50 and $23.50 per graft and it usually came out looking pluggy.
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What doctors do better than most is they settle out of court.
Doctors in general yes, but not in the hair transplant field. How many people with botched jobs have you ever heard of who sued and ever got anything at all? I've only heard of maybe 3 cases.
Ask yourself this, why have so many doctors both members and non-members given up their speciality to get into hair?Some of the bad ones get into it because they weren't good enough to make it in their chosen field. Some have been barred from working in their chosen field because of complaints and lawsuits, so they get into elective surgery because it's much safer for them and their only way to continue to make a living as a doctor.
I posted before on another thread that you don't really know if you accepted the risks until afterwards. Someone responded that if it came out really bad they would just sue the pants off the guy (don't remember the actual wording they used). I was tempted to respond, but I had said enough then, so I held back. If really think you can successfully sue for a botched job, you are just fooling yourself. It's nearly impossible.
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Originally posted by ROWDYROB:
WILL THEY not grow back after this is out of me--thanks
My personal opinion
1. Normally hairs on your head grow for a few years, then stop growing for a few weeks, then fall out. A new hair starts to grow in the same place a few weeks after that.
2. It sounds like you may have shocked your system and sent a lot of hairs into the fallout phase.
3. If that is the case then the lost hair will begin to return a few weeks after the stuff you took is out of your system.
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You may want to add something in the cost section about additional cost as the years go by if/when you continue to lose your hair. You may need $10000 now for 2000 grafts to fill in your thin or bald area, but as you lose hair as you age (A hair transplant does not stop your hairloss), you'll need more sessions to keep up. This is particulalry a problem for younger patients who are most likely losing hair at a faster rate and thus will need more work possibly in the not too distant future to keep it realistic looking. With the high costs involved, if you are losing hair fairly quickly it is entirely possible that you may not have the first session paid for before needing additional work done.
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Originally posted by erldette:
The thing to remember is that doctors are human
Unfortunately some of them are not human at all.
they face the same moral and ethical challenges that we all do, they get into trouble with greed just as members of the clergy do.
But how far do you let lack of greed and morals go? If a stock broker swindles people out of money they end up going to jail. If a "doctor" swindles you out of monay AND slices you up giving you scars all over in the process that is OK. I think there's definately something wrong with that picture. If the stock brokers were smart they would come to your house and cut you a few times and avoid jail time.
if one member doctor sees a patient and determines that the patient needs 1500 follicular units, and a second member physician determines that the patient needs 2000 folicular units, is the 2nd doctor unethical? does the patient care if the outcome is what he wanted?
If the outcome is what you wanted then the doctor probably was not unethical at least in that one case. It's OK to have somewhat differing opinions and procedures on what is the best way to achieve a decent appearance as well as saving donor hair for possible use later.
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Originally posted by Badger:
Yeah it was just on the news that the research has ended due to the potential of causing cancer.
This thread is from about 2 weeks before that news came out. Its an awful pity.
HLBD goes into some detail as to why in another thread.
Go into the find option on the main menu and type "curis hedgehog signaling pathway". Its all there
Kind of ironic that they are also looking into the hedgehog signaling pathway for ways to cure cancer.
Maybe if they successfully create a decent cancer drug, the side effect will be growing all your hair back. hehe.
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How fast do you think minoxodil absorbs into the skin?
I think in some people it does get completely into the blood stream and affect the entire body. I used to get sort of a full body swollen and puffy effect, my heart would start to beat very fast, and I would get dizzy and lightheaded and practically pass out. I usualy had to lie down on my bed for a half hour and try to calm my breathing down until it passed. Those are some of the listed possible side effects. There's also been a few women who have posted that they started getting unwanted hair growth in other areas.
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There's a huge difference between a NW#4 getting transplanted back to a NW#2, versus a NW#7 getting transplanted back to a NW#5. The NW#4-2 guy looks entirely free of the MPB problem after two levels' worth of HTs, whereas a NW#7-5 is still basically a "bald guy" in the eyes of young women even after all that investment.
Totally agree. That has definately been part of my problem over the years. After a ton of hair transplanting, I still looked like a bald guy. Some time back I even had a few people who hadn't seen me since before I started my HT ask me why I never got the hair transplant I said I was going to do... and that was after I spent $16000 on it.
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If you have health insurance,depending on what insurance you have, they should cover it as it's reconstructive surgery to correct the result of an injury.
Did he have stitches along the eyebrow? What caused the scar? If it's from a cut that needed stitches, a few hairs along the edges of the scar may grow back. You may want to wait another few months to see what happens.