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Sheesh, I thought you were leaving?

No problem at all, Rick. I understand your intentions. Thanks for the compliments. I just can't wait to be able to stop using Dermmatch. It will be 15 years since I woke up in the morning, brushed my hair back, and walked out the door! What's your donor area like?

Wait, I thought I thought "no mas" meant you lost!

Thank you for clarifying that, Pat. Now back on subject: I'm for hair counts. It may be tedious for the clinics to do it, and in my opinion the count won't make a big difference in the end, but for the sake of industry uniformity I vote in favor.

Landen, it's too bad you didn't just stick to the points and engage in a "friendly debate." As Rickmonius said, your skeptical voice would have been welcome.

Rickmonius, a sceptical voice is always welcome, and encouraged. I may have missed it, but can you show me where Landed got "sucked into personal attack fests?" Welcome to the boards. I hope you are able to find the kind of real information that I did here, and look beyond personal attacks.

Hi. My name is Landen. I'm all bark and no bite. I accuse everyone whose opinion differs from my own of being a fraud. Pat asks for a "friendly debate" so I accuse posters of being paid shills and of manipulating photos, and I accuse doctors of defrauding their patients. I'm a real nice guy, you see. I am extraordinarily opinionated on the subject of hair transplantation (heck, I even tell highly regarded surgeons how ridiculous they are), but I have yet to post a single picture or anything whatsoever about my hair transplant history. I don't need to do that stuff -- I'm much better than all of you losers! My name is Landen!

Landen, where are your pictures? Who performed your surgery? And for which "consumers" do you advocate? Pat, the owner and publisher of this site, knows the full scope and extent of my past professional relationship with H&W (which has long since ceased), during which my signature did, in fact, state it. You show me where I "belittled" other doctors' results, and I'll give you $100. And now you're accusing me of fixing my pictures with Photoshop? Jees, you're funny. Are you sure I'm not Dr. Hasson himself incognito? i think he and I kinda look alike . . . How many posters on this and other forums have you met in person? Can you name them? I have met about two dozen, and I can name them. They've looked at me up close, under lights, and even run their fingers through my hair. Where do you live? I hereby invite you to meet with me any time in the Greater New York City area. Then you can inspect me up close and take a full set of digital pictures with the camera of your choice, and post them here for all to see. And take a video of my http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM9j0PjRv1w

I like it, Pat. Sounds like a fair and logical approach.

Landen, I first started posting on this site in the morning of my scheduled Bosley surgery sometime back in July of 2003. I believe I have established my credibility since then. My surgeries have been an open book to all. I even disclosed that between late 2004 and mid 2005 I provided professional services, unrelated to hair transplantation, to H&W. Pat and the moderator of another forum at which I post were made fully aware of this. That is old news. If I washed H&W's windows for 6 months 2 years ago, that would have no bearing on my posts, pictures and credibility. Oh, and please get your attack stories right: I never wrote anything about any golf outings, because there were none -- I don't even play golf. Are you confusing me with another poster whose veracity, credibility and candor offended you? You, on the other hand, originally surfaced on this forum (as revealed by a quick author search) back in late 2002, complaining of poor growth 7 and 9 months after your HT surgery. You don't appear to have revealed who your doc was. Then you disappeared from the forums and have sprung up again several months ago, You have taken a rather irrational, antagonistic, hostile and most discourteous approach. Are you bitter for some reason? Here are a few examples of your attitude: Example 1 (August 26, 2006): "Today's hair transplant patients are tomorrow's hair transplant repair patients. I guarantee it!" Example 2 (September 07, 2006): "An informed decision? That kind of terminology is used by greasy lawyers and quack doctors." Example 3 (September 02, 2006, in response to my tricho scar video posting): "The video is of poor quality. The hair is too long. And I can still see the scar. Tone down the hype!" Example 4 (August 30, 2006, in response to a post by Dr. Feller): "Giving this guy advice to go to "just about any cosmetic surgeon in the UK" is the most absurd advice I have ever heard of coming from a doctor. You can't be serious." Wherefrom springs your credibility?

Hey, I know that guy! Joe, your post sent me to Domie's post, where I found a GREAT Mrjb comment: Awesome All the complaining people do about HT's , it's sad they don't recognize the AMAZING transformation one procedure can do by a qualified doc.. What a life changing experience. JB

Dude, I don't mean to be getting personal, but you are bordering on delusional. We have all heard the old "payed marketer/shill" accusations. They are so old Adam must have used them. H&W patients document their hair loss before, during and after. If the docs sucked their business would long have closed. The succeed because their work is the best out there. I was one hour away from a Bosley surgery when I discovered THIS WEBSITE. I then spent 5 months researching, inquiring and investigating. I chose H&W because they were simply, in my opinion, the best. They did not pay me to go there. They did not bribe me. Jotronic did not threaten to kill my next of kin if I did not go there. My pictures are not doctored. I am not a Martian. I AM A REAL PERSON WHO GOT A REALLY SPECTACULAR SURGERY BY A VERY REAL SURGICAL WIZARD NAMED VICTOR HASSON. AND I'M REALLY EXCITED AND LOVE SHOWING OFF MY NEW HAIR. H&W took off because they are incredible. The best marketing plan is only as good as the product behind it.

And there's even less than nothing wrong with just staying bald!!! DON'T GET A HT, and call it a friggin day! I'll try to make this very simple, since you seem to be missing the obvious point: Donor grafts = finite. Ethical doctor = figures out where to place these finite grafts so no run out.

I hate to break the news to you, but hundreds of H&W patients with all sorts of characteristics post thousands of pics and they all seem to grow incredibly well. Some slower, some more quickly, but they all seem to grow. That's why I went to them; that's why so many others do. Quality speaks for itself, and rather loudly. And I can perform open heart surgery. Gimme a scalpel and a few nurses. C'mere, lemme fix your heart for you. Do you actually believe your own words? The rest of your comments are so preposterous, it's hard to reply intelligently.

Well, what a difference a month has made! I'm really beginning to sprout. Shock loss nearly gone. Here's a quick comparison, but have a look at my blog for more pics. What do you think?

This entire topic is is a clear affirmation of how important and productive this site is and should continue to be. Of course, my own almost-procedure with Bosley was averted less than two hours pre-op by THIS SITE, so I am forever grateful to Pat. But more broadly, it is a truth-seeking medium through which former, current and prospective patients can examine, discuss and expound on this otherwise unregulated industry. In short, how else could a patient such as Tony seek redress? Good doctors have everything to gain by the free marketplace; bad ones everything to lose. Dr. True's high level of skill is, not surprisingly, matched only by his professionalism and good will. Bravo to him and Pat. And Good luck to Tony!

Domie, that is remarkable! Wow, you are now officially a retired baldie!

Garageland, you are going to have incredible results. Yes, the difference between months 2 and 3 is certainly emerging. Also, is it just the pictures, or does your crown seem to have filled a bit? (I doubt Propecia could possibly have worked so quickly.)

Congrats, Skit! Can't wait to see your pics. PS Swelling rules!

I agree with Gorpy. You may very well experience shock loss, but it will only be temporary. Look at my blog: In month two my 4k grafts from Dr. Hasson's HT #1 were demolished. In month 3 they started coming back and now I am at around 85% recovery.

Hey, Pat. Wow, I'm sure you will bring back a good deal of useful information (and pics!) for all of us. Thanks for taking this meaningful step!

Mrjb, you raise a great concern, one that every HT candidate should consider, but it has nothing to do with megasessions. The real issue is intelligent planning. A doctor who dense packs 4,000 grafts into your hairline is not fairly considering your future loss, but one who spreads it out with forsight of future loss is doing just the right thing.

Oferim, welcome to the boards and congrats on your surgery. Dr. Shapiro's work is among the very best, and his hairlines are virtually undetectable. Hell, if not for him this whole darned website would probably not have existed. (Can you imagine if Pat didn't have the good fortune and common sense to seek out a doctor of his caliber? He might have ended up a mess with some butcher and would never have started this whole endeavor.) Can't wait to see your results!!!

Hairbank, all the crown work cases I've seen seem to have taken longer than the frontal cases. I believe Bobman's crown has been taking longer than his front, too. (Am I correct, Bob?) I'm expecting this round #2 for me to be a bit slower, too, since Dr. Hasson did a bunch of mid-scalp work for me.

Good luck to you, Mark! We will be watching and rooting.