NegativeNorwood

48 minutes ago, Lee1977 said:

Does he do transplants for woman? If yes, any reviews? 

2 minutes ago, shiba1985 said:

Assuming large portion of his patients are based internationally, and supposedly people that want to pay a lower cost, you expect them to spend $1k+ dollars to go back to turkey at 12 months just so they can have the clinic take pictures? Come on man be real.   
 

Yes, that's what most people do. 12 months check up visits are normal.

If you want to cut corners and not have follow up visits to check the quality of the work or get it retouched if something didn't go well, surgery is not for you. Just shave it off and wear a hairpiece at that point.

3 minutes ago, shiba1985 said:

you keep saying you are not a hater, but the only person you are fooling is yourself. 
 

Lmao, didn't know that asking for good pictures means being a hater. I never said he was bad, just that we don't know good he is without good pictures. Big difference. 

2 minutes ago, Gasper20 said:

If the slick back hair looks like that at 6 months, I think most people would be thrilled. I would imagine it would look even better at 12 months as it gets thicker.

Then it would be even better for him to show high quality pics. See, it's a win-win situation, no downsides other than laziness (if the work is good, ofc).

16 minutes ago, Gasper20 said:

 Patient's own photos and personal accounts of their experience with surgeons are the best reviews since it's less likely to be edited or cherry picked by the clinic. However, good quality photos are needed to make a fair assessment of the work. Fortunately, there are quite a few good quality photos on this forum (and others) of Pekiner's work. If you did a simple search you can find them. Here's one (of many) from here:

 

The before and inmediate post op pictures taken at the clinic are great.

The 13 months after posted by the patient, not so much. Doesn't show the hair slicked back. In fact, he covered his hairline with the hair combed that way:

This is a great pic, but...he took at at 6 months, and as you know, hair transplants need around 12-15 months for the final result. So still not very useful:

Not trying to come across as a hater or anything like that, in fact I think he would benefit a lot from taking the after pictures himself, like most reputable clinics do (ie: Feriduni, Konior, Mwamba, Zarev, etc).

But as said earlier, final result pics are not good enough, and that's not the fault of the patient, because he doesn't even need to post anything. That should be Pekiner's duty, like he did with the before and inmediate post op pictures (which are perfect).

3 minutes ago, shiba1985 said:

I can understand your skepticism if there were  one or two results. but he literally has a large number of results posted by patients. There are post op photos as well. The reason he doesnt post on the board is cause he or his clinic is banned  or maybe there are some other forces at play behind the scenes that we dont know about. 

But to say only clinic posted results are valid is ludacris. If the results are only clinic posted, then people say there are not enough patient results. If there are a lot of patient results, then people like you say there are not enough clinic photos. make up your mind lol

It's not because he is banned here, it's because the quality of the pictures presented elsewhere. It doesn't matter if they are 1 or 2000, bad quality pictures are useless. 0 multiplied by any number is still 0.

Clinics have to present their work with high resolution, honest pictures. If they don't do it, that's their choice. If they don't do it, it's safe to assume they have something to hide.

Patient posted results are just a confirmation of the results posted by the clinic, and can't be solely used to judge the clinic's work because they are not taken with a good camera and following a detailed protocol, simple as that.

This is for any reputable hair transplant clinic, not just for Pekiner.

Not going to waste more energy with this btw.

5 minutes ago, ready4Hair said:

@Rafael Manelli @Melvin- Moderator
Man, any thoughts on Dr. Juan Couto? His results are out. of. this. world. Best I've ever seen even taking into account the bests from Feriduni, Hasson, Asmed, Lorenzo, Freitas, etc.

Not much on him on this board I can find other than a discussion on why he is not a listed Dr.

His site says 'coming soon' is there some way to get a consultation with him?

3 years wait list for surgery, 2 years for in person consult. It has been like this for years. Also stopped accepting consults for several months to keep up with demand (and did this more than once, look at his Instagram comments where he replies to people that ask him for prices). No idea if he accepts consults currently, ask him on Instagram, despite the demand, his clinic stuff is responsive to dms.

Prices are 4,5€ per graft, VAT included for non repair patients, and 5€ per graft, VAT included for repair patients IIRC.

Has been without a website for years, the demand from the Youtube videos alone is so big that he doesn't need forums or even a website.

1 minute ago, BaldGuy said:

This makes no sense. You have an agenda by trying to sabotage Dr Pekiner, who is one of the best doctors worldwide with the most patient cases posted, which are real!!!

I just only say the truth. You cant really trust photos that are posted by a clinic, since a clinic wants to promote its work. So how can you know if the clinic has edited or not its photos? the Technology has evolved a lot nowayds, so clinics could edit their photos and you would not even understand it. I personally dont trust any clinic photos and i just focus on real patient cases, which i know are real and post pictures montly...not just a BEFORE-AFTER.

Thats why people should focus only on real patient cases, which are on real time and like the ones posted by a clinic in which u dont know if its edited or not.

Keep coping and doing mental gymnastics. I have no agenda against Pekiner and think the same about any doctor without proper pictures of his/her work.

Not going to lose more IQ points arguing with you.

45 minutes ago, BaldGuy said:

You cant compare photos posted by a clinic with patient cases. Photos that are posted by a clinic are not trustable since the clinic wants to promote its work, so you can't really know if the cases that are posted by a clinic have been edited by the clinic itself to make the result look better than it actually is.

In addition clinics post only their good cases and hide the bad ones, so you cant make any judgement about clinic's yield rates if you dont look at real patient cases posted by the patients.

People should focus on real patient cases POSTED BY PATIENTS THEMSELVES, and not to the cases that are posted by a clinic which might be not real with photoshop motnage...who knows? A clinic would do everything to promote its work and get more patients.

Probably edited, can't be trusted because is posted by the clinic:

Trusworthy, can see the hairline perfectly and 100% valid because it is posted by a patient:

LOL, no comments.

Hair mills exist thanks to people like you, no doubt about it.

10 hours ago, Anon94 said:

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. There are multiple cases documented with high quality cameras on the italian forum. 

I don't think links are allowed, otherwise I'd post some. 

Either way, it's definitely possible to somewhat judge off cellphone pictures. We have plenty of posts like that on this forum from all types of doctors. As long as it's in natural lighting the quality is absolutely sufficient. 

That's how most cases on this forum are presented. People getting work done abroad won't just fly back to their doctor to take some "after"-shots. 

 

I'll be down in a month, I'll try to post as best I can after. 

Two words: keep coping

And: good luck, unironically you are going to need it.

1 hour ago, Spring15 said:

Are we really questioning the authenticity of Pekiner's results? There's enough photos posted on the internet with poor, low, high quality resolution to determine he is world class..

Not the authenticity (his patients  clearly are real), the quality. Because those pictures are useless to draw conclusions. Read this, the pictures were taken from the italian forum and were posted by him, the links were removed:

11 hours ago, NegativeNorwood said:

@Anon94 This is a Pekiner patient. 16 months result. Does he have doubles or triples in his hairline? Does it have enough micro and macro irregularities to look natural? Does it look soft or harsh to you? Answer: you can't tell with this pic because you don't have x ray vision or superpowers

 

Another Pekiner patient. Again, 16 months result. Same questions as before. Answer: you can't tell with this pic because you don't have x ray vision or superpowers

 

 

Compare it with this:

 

16 months post op. Night and day difference, now you can see the hairline clearly (and conclude that the surgeon did a great work). According to you, the Pekiner ones are better because they are posted by the patients, and this are worse because they are posted by a clinic. Just use your eyes to see how wrong you are.

It doesn't matter if Pekiner has 1 or 3000 patient posted cases online, with those pictures it is irrelevant. It's the same as not posting any picture because they are useless. The sooner you learn this, the better for you.

@Anon94 This is a Pekiner patient. 16 months result. Does he have doubles or triples in his hairline? Does it have enough micro and macro irregularities to look natural? Does it look soft or harsh to you? Answer: you can't tell with this pic because you don't have x ray vision or superpowers

Another Pekiner patient. Again, 16 months result. Same questions as before. Answer: you can't tell with this pic because you don't have x ray vision or superpowers

Compare it with this:

16 months post op. Night and day difference, now you can see the hairline clearly (and conclude that the surgeon did a great work). According to you, the Pekiner ones are better because they are posted by the patients, and this are worse because they are posted by a clinic. Just use your eyes to see how wrong you are.

It doesn't matter if Pekiner has 1 or 3000 patient posted cases online, with those pictures it is irrelevant. It's the same as not posting any picture because they are useless. The sooner you learn this, the better for you.

6 minutes ago, Anon94 said:

As for the pictures, that's only true for this forum, where doctors are only allowed to post if they pay the monthly fee. You can find high quality picture of cases elsewhere. I'm not trying to criticize this forum by saying that - it's needs to get financed in some way. But just because a doctor isn't active on here doesn't mean they aren't good.

 

Even on this forum you can find some cases with plenty fine picture quality for both pre-surgery, post-surgery, and the months after.

I personally prefer patient posted pictures, since they won't filter for quality. 

I'm talking about his pictures posted on Reddit and Bellicapelli, not here. It doesn't matter if they are posted by him or the patients, they have to be taken with a pro camera, with hair slicked back, wet and dry to be valid. You are looking at the wrong things.

Patient posted pictures are great, if they are taken properly (high quality camera, hair slicked back, wet and dry)...and guess what, 99.999% of the time they aren't, because they are taken with phones. Same with clinic posted pictures, no excuses to be a clinic and post pictures taken with cellphones or low light levels to fraud density.

You have to look at the quality of the pictures, not who posted them. Doesn't matter if on Reddit, Bellicapelli or Facebook, he doesn't have quality pictures of his work posted, either by him or his patients, period. No way around it.

Great work, looks very natural. I wouldn't be able to tell he got SMP if I didn't see the before.

33 minutes ago, Anon94 said:

Sorry, but some people on this forum are getting ridiculous now. There are tons of results of this doctor all over the internet, way more than many doctors that are recommended on here. 

 

You can criticize his patient advisor for being a dick, but the work speaks for itself. 

 

Since when is it more reliable to have the doctor pick and choose some cases that they present, instead of patient reports, who would also share if they had negative experiences or results? You can look on this forum, on Reddit and on other popular forums. Vast majority are great results. 

Sure it's not Konior, but you are also not paying like $20 a graft. Not everyone has that type of money. 

Paying cash is standard procedure for all the docs in turkey. Even the ones recommended by this forum. And why wouldn't the docs want it? I wouldn't want my money in Lira and I wouldn't want to pay 10% just for a different payment method. 

How is stating facts getting ridiculously low? 

Pictures are the most important and low resolution patient posted selfies don't let you see the work clearly. You don't know how good Pekiner is, he could even be better than Konior, but you can't tell with those pics. This is how a proper, well reputed doctor that charges 3€ per graft presents his work:

You may like or not like his work, but at least you can see it clearly and judge for yourself. Patient posted selfies taken with low resolution, lens distorted cellphone cameras don't mean anything, doesn't matter if from 1 or 1000 patients. 0 multiplied by any number is still 0.

You imagine the results are good, because you can't know it 100% without good pictures (which he doesn't present, and that's his choice, 100%. He doesn't present his work well because he doesn't want to, not because he can't, and that's bad for everyone, him included if his work is actually good.)

It is what it is, you can spin and twist it in the most colorful way possible, but facts are facts.

Imagine risking losing 5 figures cash on hand and engaging in shady tax evasion tactics for the benefit of third parties when you can get world class results by the same price in different countries, paying with your debit card or via bank transfer. All of that for a doctor who's results you imagine to be good (yes, imagine, because again, you can't tell with those pics).

Paying large sums of money in physical cash may be normal in some countries, and so was incest among royalty centuries ago. Normal or standard doesn't mean good. That's not a good reason. And 10% taxes is very low btw, Andorra is a certified tax haven and has 10% taxes. More than that is abusive IMO, I agree with that btw.

2 hours ago, hairman22 said:

small surgeries in november 2024

big operation middle of 2025

consultation may 2025

Don't understand well how small suegeries can be scheduled in 2024 but consultations in 2025... doesn't a small surgery need a consultation too? I guess it would get earlier consultation date in that case (like first months of 2024), but could be wrong.

Can you please clarify on this?

Very interesting how despite being Norwood 6 you have much more prominent temples than me being Norwood 2 😅

Things look good despite being in the ugly duckling phase IMO, if it grows well, you'll have an amazing Norwood 1 head of hair 👱‍♂️

3 minutes ago, hairman22 said:

No. I mentioned my beard as a source of donor in future but he said it looks thicker & different texture so he doesnt want to use that hair.

I would say he could do that but we didnt discuss that.

There was a patient in his waiting room who got a repair done. Had to extract hair from his hairline & place new hairs. He had work done in turkey was an absolute mess at the hairline angles completley wrong.

I thought he was just coming for consultation because his hair looks great now so i thought he had no hair loss yet until Zarev showed his photos so that was also very interesting & brillant repair work.

Yeah it should be a piece of cake for him to do it ngl, all the work I've seen from him is spectacular. Not surprised with the repair patient's brilliant outcome.

Your thread confirmed my thoughts about Zarev. Most people here say that he is the best for high norwood cases, but actually he is the best for low norwood cases too (thanks to his ability to extract more grafts, virgin scalps and low norwoods benefit even more from it since they are getting it from the first transplant).

I'm looking for eyebrows, hairline (mostly on temples, definitely not a big case by any means, I'm like Norwood 1.5-2 at most) and a small beard to beard transplant, so I'll just book a consult with him since I want to get it done in 2 or 3 years either way, so I don't care about the wait time. 

Thanks for sharing the info, hope you update us with the pics when you have them. Best luck with everything!

7 minutes ago, hairman22 said:

we moved on to another case but i was going to say for Zarev to post that one online.

It was all scalp a norwood 7. He liked his hair short on top so needed 18k, Was over 3 surgeries,

The donor looked very good considering 80% was taken. It was incredible,

I saw no cases where he used beard or body hair not even in 2 genuine NW7's. He needs to keep the hairline high in those cases.

He prefers to take 80% of donor before doing that & the donor still looks good just needs to kept short.

That's amazing.

Just out of curiosity, did he show you beard to beard transplant cases? He has the best scalp to beard transplant I've seen on his website (4800 grafts 0_0), so I assume he will do smaller (ie: less than 1000 grafts) beard to beard without any issue tbh.

23 minutes ago, hairman22 said:

Saifi is a decent surgeon & grafts I got in my hairline are in decent shape still.

But the other method of extraction is too evasive for the donor area. This is why other surgeons cannot get too many grafts. 

Also many surgeons dont extract from the sides of the head because it is more difficult is what he told me.

If i went to another surgeon I would only have 4000 grafts left imo.

Scar tissue is a big issue in the donor area with the old method. I can tell Zarev really prefers a virgin scalp donor.

Once he has that I think 99% of people are guranteed a very good result since he can extract so much grafts.

I can post photos once the clinic send them to me.

 

Truly amazing, what Zarev does is revolutionary.

I hope he can patent his method and train more surgeons, so everyone can benefit from having 50% extra donor hair (more precisely, extracting more grafts from their donors). That + the possibility of Verteporfin working to heal scarring and regrow part of the donor = no more alopecia (as long as one has enough money to afford such treatments ofc).

Awesome post, hope your surgery turns out great.

This also confirms my suspicions: he's able to extract more grafts than other surgeons with his technique. Doing some math, if your virgin scalp had 14000 donor grafts available with his technique, and now it has 9000 because Zaifi extracted 2700 with more conventional FUE methods, that would mean:

5000-2700=2300 extra grafts. Zarev can extract 46% more grafts with his techniques (!).

So, if a person's donor area is 6000 grafts with a different surgeon, that would mean almost 9000 grafts with Zarev.

And he could extract even more if he takes 80% of the donor as he told you, assuming the patient wears the hair short forever.

Next level for sure, also love how detailed he is with the planning and presentation of his cases, puts everyone else to shame:

38 minutes ago, BaldBobby said:

Yes to avoid a 40% tax.

40% tax is abusive IMO, that's quite understandable by him then tbh. But doing that to avoid paying 10% tax would be hilarious ngl, almost Bond villain tier lmao.

Let me get this straight:

- You'll fly to Turkey with 10k euros at hand (as if no one could rob you or you couldn't lose your luggage with your money there).

- Pekiner would have to pay 10% taxes if you pay him via debit card or bank transfer (very low, I'm not pro taxes but still 10% is quite fair. IE: Andorra is a tax haven and has 10% taxes). Tax haven tier low taxes are still not enough for him, so you have to take this huge risk of carrying large amounts of money instead of paying via bank transfer like any normal person would.

- He doesn't have proper after pictures of his work, just patient posted selfies and is not recommended here. I would understand the struggle if he had high resolution pictures taken with a pro camera showing Konior tier results at the 3€ per graft rate he charges, but not with useless low resolution, lens distorted patient posted selfies taken with phones.

Idk man, sounds risky af. Best luck.

13 hours ago, Xanadu said:

Okay. I was just asking if there was an easy way to see it. I'm not really using it for anything, so never mind.

Best beard transplant I've ever seen.

Taking the grafts from the neck and cheeks should be done always as long as the donor capacity and patient's goals allow for it. I haven't seen a single scalp to beard transplant that looked natural. In comparison, a proper beard to beard transplant like this looks amazing and indistinguishable from a natural beard.

I would like to see post op pictures with the beard trimmed at the same lenght as the before ones tho, but still looks perfect tbh.

Amazing result. Love the high resolution, honest pictures.

Does Dr Mwamba perform eyebrow transplants too?

More than top density, top coverage would be what you are looking for:

The best doctors achieve the illusion of native density with the minimum number of grafts and maximum naturalness.

I think the best in the world for that purpose are Konior, Munib Ahmad, Feriduni, Couto and Zarev. Those are the ones that come to mind atm to me.