Yan bio

after talking to the representative: 
he says we can wait for  8'th month to pass, and if needed - we can insert what he estimates to be ~100 follicles to the hairline (I actually estimates it to be around 150-200 follicles, but I guess that's not very important at the moment). I asked if we might pull doing this without shaving my hairline (keeping it intact) and he said we can... 

1. I understand if we don't wait enough time, we might transplant on "yet to penetrate the scalp but still potent follicles". Do you feel 8 months is enough?🤔

2. I'm not very sure.. if the follicles didn't grow on the previous, what will make them grow now? 😏

3 hours ago, Dillpickle123 said:

Honestly you have to wait till a year, but it does seem like a ton to of grafts for that small area

it's quite a 'thing':

-some people here say it's not looking good 

-some say it looks mediocre

-some say it looks good 

9 minutes ago, Parasol said:

I totally understand. The waiting is painful and emotionally draining. We all have this surgery because we want to feel like ourselves again, and it’s a horrible feeling putting our lives on hold (even if just a little bit) while we wait for this hair to grow or find out it’s not going to grow.

It’s hard to say how your result will turn out. But I do hope you can find some comfort in the fact that you chose a clinic that will stand behind you. 

Lots of people go to hairmills that don’t care about you once they get your money. Then, if the result turns out sub-par (if they’re lucky, and not butchered!), these patients have nowhere to turn to and have to start the process of finding and paying for a clinic all over again (if their donors aren’t depleted!).

HDC I’m sure will have your back no matter what. 

Feel free to PM me if you ever want to talk. I obviously can’t do anything about getting your hair to grow but I’m a good listener

And definitely keep in contact with Doron and HDC so they can track your progress and come up with a game plan if eventually it is necessary.

Parasol, thank you for being so nice and empathic, I really and truely appreciate every word and intention my friend 😎

13 minutes ago, Parasol said:

6 months is still very early. You have a lot of maturation coming, so your transplant can’t be judged at this point.

Just make sure to keep in close contact with HDC. They are an extremely ethical and honorable clinic. If you remember when we spoke, I have a thin area (mine due to scabbing), and @Doron Harati assured me that if I ever wanted them to touch it up, they would do it for free without question. 

My result came out amazing otherwise, and I can hide my area with how I comb my hair, so I haven’t taken them up on it. But have peace of mind knowing that if needed, they will take care of you. 

Keep in contact with them and give it a few more months. Try not to worry just yet (I know it’s easy to say, but please try not to worry yet).

 

Hi parasol - I relly appreciate your reply.
Yes, I know 6 months isn't the end-result, but regarding the term you're using - "maturing" - I really feel it's less a question of maturation and more of follicles who didn't grow?

I know Doron and he's a great guy, so does the rest of HDC team and of course Dr. Maras who is a true gentleman and I really felt he and the team caring for me. I must say my 'fear' is not whether I'm going to get a good result in the end - because If needed I'll do a touch-up, it's just that I felt "almost there" after months of waiting which as we know is difficult, and now I feel like I have 6 more months to wait for final results, and then after a 2'nd HT wait another 6 months for it to grow to some degree. I feel like all of a sudden my 'remaining waiting time' for nice results is going to change from 1-2 months in the near future to 1 year, and this feels heart sinking..

5 minutes ago, NikosHair said:

I've repeatedly heard the timeline for growth quoted but not seen the independent research.

How difficult can it be to get 200 HT patients to have their scalp analysed for 12 month and provide the REAL data?

Anyone actually seen a study to backup the claims?

do you think the time frames are actually something like 

85-90% sprouting at 6 months?

2 minutes ago, ray35 said:

I saw your HDC thread... it's just tough to tell at this point. Hang in there, you should be just fine. That hair line looks like it's coming in as it should. I get the concern given that post op scab stuff... but if that area was a problem and wiped out grafts it would be far more visible a problem now too. So I suspect you'll be ok.  

this is an image (taken from the above video) - hairline really looks like it's coming out as it should..? 

and this is another image (taken from the video above) showing the sub-par growth along midline:

..
 

1 minute ago, ray35 said:

Yeah by and large this is the case... you have to be at like month 9 to get any real sense of needing a touch up. Lots happening for you over the next few months. Most places will all say wait a full year.

thank you. I've been looking for studies about this,couldn't find any sady..

this is a video showing it in more detail I think:

https://streamable.com/p8ursq

My intuition is it won't grow more, I do hope I'll get wrong. 

Quite dissappointing as I chose someone with a good reputation and during surgery I've been told I have very good hair and scalp characteristics. Intially we we're talking about ~2000 grafts, but during surgery I've been told my scalp is very flexibile so he said 2900 is suitable. 😔

 

17 minutes ago, Gramatik said:

 

I think it may be shock loss of your native hair plus less growth on that area..

Your hair loss problem was quite small and with 2900 grafts on that area you should expect a much denser hairline than this one you have now. But wait till 7 month, to see how it progress..

Also, you do understand the photos with the markings are the before* pictures, yes..?

11 minutes ago, Gramatik said:

 

I think it may be shock loss of your native hair plus less growth on that area..

Your hair loss problem was quite small and with 2900 grafts on that area you should expect a much denser hairline than this one you have now. But wait till 7 month, to see how it progress..

what is the chance for an improvement regarding the shock-loss?

and for the "less growth"?

Although I can pull it off in my normal 'day to day' life, for 2900 grafts? this does seem like a weak result

10 minutes ago, drawdownfx said:

Looks fine there tbh. Just wait a few more months and hopefully it will start filling up!

Do you really think there's hope for more sprouting after 6 months had passed? 

3 minutes ago, Mike10 said:

Can you post some pre op pics with longerhair to better measure the result?

4 minutes ago, drawdownfx said:

Do you have a picture of the same area after the scabs were first removed 100%?

Although I understand your concern I think this is really good progress for just 5 months and 3 weeks, remember all your follicles will thicken also in the coming months.

Hi, I think this is the corresponding area:

1 minute ago, Spring15 said:

Looks like you're being a bit critical, this is good progress so far and a hair transplant will never give natural density

Maybe I am, yes.. 😕 there's just too much see-through at the moment. I really wonder if the follicles in the bare area will sprout, and wether considerable thickening is about to come 🥴

1 hour ago, Gatsby said:

@Yan bio I had a bald spot at the midpoint the size of a five cent piece. At five months it began to fill in. Patience my friend. 👍

Hey Gatsby, I've went through your "gatsby unplugged" thread, yet I see no image with a 'bald spot' in it.. I don't know how I'm missing it 😕

anyway, glad yours did come through!

my 'hole':

"By 6 months, approximately 60% – 70% of the new hairs have fully penetrated through the scalp"
https://fellermedical.com/hair-transplant-growth-timeline/

I'm 6 months post ht and I've havn't seen new sprouting for the last 1.5 months. this is discouraging as my hairline still isn't dense enough to comb up. 

how long would you wait before going on a touch-up?

bump bump..

Help anyone?
 

Afro hair has such great characteristics for transplant. Your results are great and density looks like is going to be phenomenal!

56 minutes ago, WhereIsMyMind said:

Damn. This is solid advice.

I am actually debating wether to have undereye filler for soooo long but im scared about migratio (after 30s my under eye fat pads have depleted, and have more sunken eyes and nothing seems to fix it...). I have read both about filler and fat grafts and there's always someone telling their horror story and keeps pushing me back, but it seems filler is an easy solution.

What's your thought for undereye fillers? is it risky business or worth it? I'd love your input

It depends on so many factors, it's impossible to give definite yes/no answer

1 hour ago, WhereIsMyMind said:

Thats a very good take, in general im skeptical about face shaping with fillers because of migration and dillution. I think its probably best in areas where gravity doesn't affect it, like the chin (its already down there).

The filler can actually stay where intended, but only if:

*Injected in right (usually small) volumes

*suiting rheological properties (viscocity/cohesivity/elasticity/hygroscopic)

*injected sub SMAS (depth)

*right location in ragard to the anatomical boundaries (degree of compartmentalization of the fat tissue involved)

*adjacent mobility of muscles (which might cause some filler to migrate, like you wisely said).

In general - I think in the west world less than 10% of procedures really take into account all of these parameters.

(though young, I'm an aesthetic practitioner with experience of ~80K syringes..)

5 months+3 weeks:
A closer look shows density along hairline still isn't enough, with one area (in the image: one centimeter right from center) still lacking growth/density. 

I don't know if it's because we tried to "pack-dense" too much, because it's too close to the center (where there's less blood supply), anesthesia...

Anyway it requires me to use both dermamatch+toppik if I want to comb up my hair. 

If I decide to strenghten this in the future - will I still need to shave everything?

This is the area I had a problem with, around 5 days post surgery:

I think you looked good even before the procedure

I must say I'm a bit hesitant to recommend elanse for strict volumization. It is better used to help sagging skin. All colagen/elastin stimulating fillers,  on the long run, can't Improve the geometry of the face in young people (for example: chin width/height/shape, jawline definition or mandibular width, or zygomatic width). To be honest, I think photos taken on the same day are not very indicative as a big part of the 'results' is simply edema from the niddle/cannula used.