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5 hours ago, GeneralNorwood said:

And your surgery was done not by some juniors from Eugenix, who are not recommended by hairrestorationnetwork. The surgery was done by "super duo", Dr. Sethi and Dr Arika Bansal, the owners of the Eugenix, who are recommended by this forum. 

It's one thing that Sethi and Bansal did a terrible hair transplant. That would at least be excusable in the "all clinics have bad results" sense. But what makes it clear that they're an unethical clinic (In this case in others) is how the result is bad  due to lazy/poor planning, and then also how bad they are about gaslighting the patients once it's been shown that the result is a botch job.

Sethi and Bansal should not be on the recommended list. It's really that simple. 

To be honest I don't think your hairline needed any work at all. It will probably look great when it grows out but from a planning perspective I would've focused only on the crown for now and save the hairline for later or at least only minimally touch the hairline. It's just a pretty darn aggressive hairline and you might wish you had saved those grafts later. Are you on Fin and Min?

For reference, our crown's are fairly similar in size (I had a bit more loss than you I think) and I had 2000 grafts put there and it still looks "thinning". I also had A LOT of 3 hair grafts which aided my coverage. So hopefully Turan put close to 2000 in the crown but looking at it I think it's closer to 1000 or less. 

On 11/18/2023 at 12:08 AM, track_rat said:

Will provide a thorough update soon mate. I was treading lightly and not posting recently as I was still pleading with Eugenix to try to make things right. I was finally able to get a few minutes with the clinic last month but Sethi suggested I look elsewhere for care. 

Can you go into detail on your conversation with Sethi? Did he take any responsibility for the situation? Did they offer a free repair? Did they just tell you "you're on your own"?

Not to blame you in any way, but I think you're being far too lenient on the clinic throughout this post. They did an extreme disservice to you that could've been easily avoided if they had simply done their jobs in a proper way. And to think this was Eugenix's "founding doctors" and not any of the new ones they've hired.

Another one for the Eugenix Wall of Shame. Hopefully Konior can get this straightened out. 

This is worse than hairmill behavior, this is scumbag behavior. Ignoring a patient in immense pain; Dr's overloaded by the number of patients they're working on; patient blaming in instances where they clearly f'd up; deceptive and relentless marketing tactics; surprise bonus doctors in training cutting into patient's heads without their consent or foreknowledge. How far do we have to go to find rock bottom for this place? 

I hope you get good results OP, and I think there is a decent chance you will. But why people continue going to this place is beyond me given that it's a spin of the roulette wheel. Places like Fuecapilar are cheaper I believe and at least you won't have to worry about surprise bonus doctor's in training cutting into your head without your consent. 

Only a matter of time before the usual Eugenix fanboy crew comes talking about how "this thread doesn't serve a purpose" and overall running cover for a what is clearly an unethical and poorly run clinic. 

38 minutes ago, BackFromTheBrink said:

Well, that's quite the mic drop. Plenty of time to seek a consult with  Dr jjalay to validate Dr Zarev's cursory glance at your head. 😉

In all seriousness, you've seen the world's best and will put yourself in the best possible position for a great outcome. I'll follow with great interest - if I'm not mistaken you'll be the first Zarev repair case documented on here.

 

Not sure this will truly be classified as a repair case unless the plan is to move the hairline a bit?

Zarev is really setting the standard and changing the game. Who would've guessed a Dr out of little old Bulgaria would be emerging as the Michael Jordan of HT's. 

Great result - you've had no side effects since you've been back on Fin? 

On 3/10/2024 at 8:46 PM, Petroholic said:

Adding Oral minoxidil: Well, as we all know this Hair loss med has gained a lot of traction recently. So how could I be left behind🤣. I just cannot tolerate topical minoxidil. The negative cosmetic effect negates any gains for me. Had used it for 2 years from 2013-2015 and hated it. I still can't believe how such a simple modification was right under our eyes. Anyways, Dr. Bhatti asked me that I can start oral minoxidil 2.5mg daily for 4 months and then report back. I have arranged a 6 month supply from India because I don't know how to get it in Canada. I am yet to start it though for 2 reasons. Firstly, I am terrified of the shedding phase. Secondly,  I plan to add just one treatment at one time since I know I will have to continue the treatment forever. For now, I am still on the break from finasteride phase.

Can you elaborate on the "negative cosmetic effect" you experienced from topical minoxidil? 

The correct answer is "No one really knows". This guy Dr Sergio Vano has run some large N studies that say it's safe but frankly they all seem quite flawed in their methodology at least as I interpret them. 

8 minutes ago, Westview said:

I read somewhere its the propylene glycol that can cause dark circles under some peoples eyes, not so much the MX.

Not sure if thats true though

Could be, but I'm not sure why that would be the case. Seems more likely that both the bloating and dark circles are caused by increased fluid/bloodflow to the head due to Min's vasodilation effect. 

My personal experience with topical: It works pretty darn well to grow hair. However I did notice that it made my face more bloated and also seemed to have increased the dark circles under my eyes. I've always had dark circles but minoxidil did seem to make them worse. The face bloat seems to go away pretty quickly, and the dark circles do improve after being off for about a week but only slightly. 

Most concerning: I'm 95% sure it started making my eye/eye area twitch pretty excessively. This only started about 1.5 years into using it. And yes I'm fairly certain it was the minoxidil and not lack of sleep or magnesium deficiency or something. Full disclosure, I was only using once a day 5/6 times per week, but was using at least double or triple the recommended amount simply because it's hard to cover much area at all with the "half a cap full" recommended dose. I've now been off a week but plan on re-starting again maybe 3-4 times a week with a dosage closer to the recommended amount. 

15 hours ago, Gatsby said:

@Buffaloboy that's a fair point and one that I myself like to point out that no surgeon/clinic is free from a bad result. Every surgeon has had a bad result and that's not meant as an excuse on the surgeon or techs in the slightest. 

This is of course true, and there are a lot of cases where a patient gets a result they aren't happy with due to no fault of the clinic. The difference with Eugenix is, there are a lot of cases where the bad result is ABSOLUTELY the fault of the clinic's poor planning/execution and yet people act like this isn't a trend that is repeated over and over and over. Instead the response is to expect everyone to bury their head in the sand and put their hands over their ears. 

16 hours ago, MazAB said:

Angling downward and backward is definitely the correct approach for temple points. I personally would not base my decision to cancel a procedure purely on that alone, especially when they are one of the few clinics that knows temple point re construction very well. No clinic is perfect, but it is truly the body of work that matters, and this thread doesn't represent that as its now been well over 3 years since that work was done. It seems like the only thing this thread is good for is anyone that feels like hating on the clinic and wanting to push people away from Eugenix. If your own research leads you to another clinic, go for it, but the overall exceptional results, and ethical business practices speak for themselves with Eugenix, and is the reason they have thousands of clients around the world with nothing less than elite results. They wouldn't be one of the most well respected clinics in the world if that was not the case. 

No one who's been paying attention to this forum for the last few years can honestly say Eugenix has "overall exceptional results" or "ethical business practices". Nor are they "one of the most well respected clinics in the world".  They certainly do have cases where the results are exceptional - but they also have plenty cases where the results are extremely sub-par due to poor planning and execution. This is typical of hair mills: spin the roulette wheel and see where the ball lands. 

As far as ethical business practices, they suggested to people that their poor results were from sleeping on the wrong side of the pillow lol. They also refuse to admit fault in instances where they clearly screwed up. They also frequently take on patients who should be turned away (Subjective statement to a degree but I think it's blatantly true and there are 2 specific cases I'm thinking of). They also spend an offensively short amount of time in the planning stages with patients. But yes please tell me more about their "ethical business practices" while we hear reports of Bansal doing surgery on 4 patients at once (Including 1 being a repair!). 

I'm glad you personally got a good result from Eugenix, but you're doing the community a disservice by not holding them accountable for the numerous cases of shoddy work and shoddy practices we've seen in the past few years. Let's praise the good work they do, but let's not hide our heads in the sand and put our hands over our ears when we see a trend of blatant negligence repeated over and over and over again. 

On 3/8/2024 at 5:03 PM, Berba11 said:

I think the word "botched" is a bit up for debate here (I'd probably just about agree with you based on your definition) but "butchers" is way over the top. 

OP's donor was butchered. Now, just because of that alone I wouldn't call the clinic who did it to him "butchers".  Had they come out and admitted fault and did their best to make it right then I would find it acceptable. But instead they deflected, obfuscated, and patient blamed. This is what makes it fair to call them butchers. And I'm not going to be gaslit into pretending otherwise under a pretense of maintaining "civility". 

On 5/9/2022 at 9:56 AM, Melvin- Admin said:

I warned you about your language. Calling doctors butchers is not appropriate. Many have stated their opinions without insulting. In the short time you’ve been here you’ve fear mongered minoxidil, insulted surgeons. Now you ask why? Perhaps our forum isn’t for you. 

OP's donor and left temple was butchered, so how is it wrong to call the people who did it to him butchers? Why is that not appropriate? It's not like he used a slur or a curse word lol. 

I know these posts are close to 2 years old, but Melvin, it's really disgraceful for you to be running cover for a clinic that has a demonstrated record of consistently botching people. To be clear by "botch" I mean sub-par and unnatural results that come from a lack of planning/execution on the clinics part. You're constantly in peoples threads gaslighting them and saying that things aren't so bad when clearly the clinic let their patient down. 

I could think of a lot worse words for Sethi and Bansal than "butchers". 

"Botched" is a term that means different things to different people. To me, if a patient gets a sub-par or unnatural result due to poor planning or execution on part of the clinic, that is a botch job. There are plenty of examples of this from Eugenix. 

18 hours ago, ThePJ said:

 

I hope you don't mind me saying this, but overall I'd give this result a 5/10 or maybe a 6/10. It isn't terrible, you weren't botched, but it wasn't a great result either. Given how aggressive the design was I would've expected a bit more of an aesthetic improvement. Maybe 2700 grafts was too few for the area you covered (Which if true, is on Eugenix not you). Maybe you didn't get good survival rates which led to subpar density. Maybe it's a combination of both. 

For guys like us who are nw2/nw3 in the hairline area, HT's are tricky. It's hard to get a serious aesthetic improvement while still setting yourself up to look natural 30 years from now as balding continues. But like I said given how aggressive the design was I think it's fair to be a little less than over the moon about the result. 

Again just my honest opinion, hopefully I'm not being overly blunt. 

11 hours ago, Buffaloboy said:

What really made me think “hmm” is when one of their sales reps told me that Dr Vicint has conducted over 2,000 hair transplants. He said this in response to me saying I want someone with experience. What caught me off guard about this is that he previously told me that Dr Vicint has been with the clinic for about 2 years. 

2000 transplants in 2 years is more than 1 surgery per day, 365 days per year, with zero days off. The math isn’t mathing… unless it’s a hair mill and she is running multiple surgeries at a time.

 

I've been on this forum pretty heavily since I think May 2022. I've never heard the name Dr Vicint. Does he/she have numerous reviews on here (or other reputable forums) from patients who were happy with their results? If not, what are you basing your decision on other than the Eugenix brand name? Why are you putting your aesthetic future in the hands of a Dr whose results you haven't independently verified? 

10 hours ago, Buffaloboy said:

 

Not sure i’d go THAT far. What botched cases have you seen? I’ve seen cases that should have been better, but I haven’t seen any outright botches.

Look up GeneralNorwood and Captain Haddock's cases. There are others too (Including Tommy1991's) but you'll need to look, I don't keep a folder on my computer titled "Sloppy Eugenix Work".

Do you mind taking a pic with your hair slicked back using product or with your hand holding your hair back? Curious to see how it looks slicked back. Pictures are often very hard to judge from 

I'm also curious about this topic. Anyone have an idea on how much it would cost to electrolysis or laser hair removal 2000 grafts? 

I'm curious what the cost would be if one wanted to get 2000 put into their hairline and still retain the possibility of removing them eventually. 

15 hours ago, Myles23 said:

If a doctor is tending to four patients per day and has minimal input in the surgery, what separates this model from the 'hairmills'? Genuine question

It's pretty well accepted around here that Eugenix is (Or at least "has become") a hairmill. 

Dr's Sethi and Bansal are both recommended on this forum but Eugenix the clinic is not. Only Dr's are recommended by this forum, not clinics. However this is pretty damn confusing for a lot of people (Especially newbies) and basically obfuscates the fact that the clinic Dr Sethi owns and runs is botching people on a fairly consistent basis due to a lack of good practices. It's all about the money for them it seems. 

I don't hide the fact that I don't trust or like Eugenix, and personally wouldn't sit down for a beer or a meal with either Sethi or Bansal. They know what they're doing, and if they don't know then they should. Every clinic has bad results and often it isn't the clinic or the Dr's fault, but it's inexcusable when bad results are coming from poor planning on the part of the clinic. 

10 hours ago, Tommy1991 said:

Seems like a clinic that when you have a result like this and complain they don’t like, which is disgusting.

This appears to be a common theme with this clinic. When something goes wrong they obfuscate and divert at best, and patient blame at worst.

Maybe you said already, but did you know before booking your surgery that the Dr would be working on multiple different patients in a single day? 

Definite improvement, but hairline does look a bit thin and SLIGHTLY pluggy. Nothing a 2nd pass wouldn't easily fix if you wanted to go that route, but I don't think a 2nd pass is 100% necessary either. 

Fussing over your looks to an excessive extent is a feminine coded trait. Let's be real about it. Shaving it off is confident because it's a sign of accepting yourself as you are. 

If you want to do everything you can to hold on to it then go ahead that's why we're all here. But let's not make ill-fitting analogies in order to justify our vanity. 

3 hours ago, Westview said:

Because whats the alternative??  Have no hair at all??

If I were a Norwood 7 or 8, and the only option was a hairpiece I would pick that.

There are no other alternatives that I can think of

Uhh you could literally just have them make you one that doesn't look ridiculous. Like a NW1 or NW2.