didu911

Just now, Gatsby said:

I'm definitely happier with the camouflage I have now with hair as all of the scars are hidden. SMP works wonders for non geometrical scars like FUE, punch graft scars, etc. The hairline wasn't covered with SMP completely and the scarring in the donor was the result of plastic surgery over several years. SMP did a great job in camouflage but not as much as the hair I now have.

Fair enough, I think the scar in the front is really the thing that you struggle with the most?  

Sorry to misuse the thread, but I really don't get why the doctor did the "Strip" in the front of your head, was this something like a forehead reduction?

1 minute ago, Gatsby said:

As I have said many times before if I didn't have the scars front and back on my scalp I would have stuck with my shaved look. I think shaving is a very viable option. However at only 7 months I'm sure I have more to come with my hair and I am planning a second procedure next year. All the best.

I know mate, I was watching your video with the baldcafe guy and understand the struggle, had 5200 FUT and 2600 FUE grafts. I planning to get the scar filled up with FUE and maybe a SMP afterwards into the Donor. 

IHMO the SMP does a great job on you, are you not happy with the camouflage? 

As I said this is my point of view: I don’t think a second Transplantation will ease out the problems, that I mentioned about the thinning hair look, especially in the crown. It will always be a illusion of density and it’s hard to fulfill the illusion as it goes all over the head.

karl is on another boat, he still has thin hair but it looks age appropriate. 
 

I was once thinking like you @Melvin- Moderator but my mind hat shifted. Not attacking anyone, also sitting in the same boat, this is just a personal preference and what I as a individual think is aesthetic. 

1 hour ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

In light of this video, who better than @Bandit90to talk about his experience and how he restored his hair. John started balding at 16 and was bald by 21. Now his hair looks amazing. Hope you guys join tomorrow at 11 am Pacific and 7 PM UK time.

Not a huge fan. 
FOR ME: A shaved clean head looks mostly always better than a balding head of hair. Eugenix did a good job on him, but with that degree of baldness and the extensive use of body hair grafts, I think it looks unnatural, especially the transition between transplanted hair and existing hair. 
People who are getting bald in a very young age, including me, seems to be traumatised by loosing their hair and they want it back at all costs. But sometimes I wonder if a transplanted Norwood 6+ does really help the patients appearance. Looking at Eugenix NW 0-4 cases, I am really impressed, but higher than that, I don’t know…

Another good example is gatsby, this guy looks so good with the shaved head, I am not convinced of the hair cut he wears today after the transplant, as he looks balding now and this just makes him look older. 

BUT this is just my point of view others might think different.

PS: Bandit has so great facial features, I really appreciate his look with a shaved head. 
If the scars from the FUE are not that visible or treatable with SMP, I would just rock that look and be happy about the extra stubbles Eugenix gave me 

40 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

I would say shaving is probably the safest option. But at 21 damn, I would be tempted to get a hair system. At that age, it’s an absolute catastrophe to be bald. Most will assume it’s a disease like Portnoy. It’s funny how different society views alopecia areata vs. genetic alopecia. One garners sympathy and a wig is welcomed, while the other garners ridicule for wearing a hair system. 

True words, I was a Norwood 5 with 23 already and it hit me hard, so I can really relate. 

I would rather have had alopecia areata, than MPB. Hair transplant journey with a high Norwood is no fun at the end:

Spending thousands of dollars to end up with scars and thin hair.It never ends…

Nevermind… This guy has good facial features, and he can still do a lot to level up his appearance.

I feel sorry for this dude, but my honest adivce to him would be:

1. SHAVE IT OFF!

2. Get the beard in shape

3. Loose some weight

He would be in a much better position than now.

I fear that MEDS + Hair transplant would more harm his appearance instead of improve it, as it will look sparse as hell. 

Local pharmacy, germany 

20 minutes ago, New_Barnet_Please said:

I’m not in denial at all, it’s just not a good idea to jump to conclusions, especially in this case without medical input.

Anyway, it works great for me. The only advice if you are interested in it is to read the studies (https://m.youtube.com/c/MrRolandas) has good links to them if you search or ask the doctor for them, start on a low dose and consult with a doctor while monitoring. If you aren’t interested that’s fine - the only reason I’m bothering to say this is as there’s definitely excessive fear mongering on forums around the subject and often people know hardly anything about it.

fear mongering is one thing, sharing my experience is another. I can share the pictures and describe the symptoms. I didn’t went to the ER, but this is my decision. Would it be better to not share my experience at all, do I need to see a doctor and get a certificate before posting?

Just now, GoliGoliGoli said:

Thank you very much for posting this, I do think it's important that people understand the risks of taking oral min. That isn't to say everyone suffers like this from it either, but your input is very much appreciated

Thank you 🙏 

I think people get more distracted than it helps…

The swelling in the face has now subsided, unfortunately I have swelling in my legs and feet. 
Just went on the scale, I put on 4kgs more on weight in the last 3 days. 

3 minutes ago, ciaus said:

 

I know hair loss can be a difficult condition to deal with, suffering from it myself as I do. Helping others deal with it as well as possible is one of the reasons I keep coming here. So yes, it does bother me when someone uses the forum to give advice they don't follow themselves.

Your passionate hatred for hospitals and doctors is interesting, and something others reading your posts here should factor into how much weight they give to your symptoms being caused by minoxidil. You sound like someone ripe for generating placebo /nocebo symptoms. 

 

Well, a placebo/nocebo swollen face is something new for me, can you elaborate?

If you rely to my testicular pain observations with fin, I think they are real.

I am taking much stronger meds than FIN like CPA(Androcur) and Estrofem, which brings my T down to zero and I am not complaining about any sides. 

4 minutes ago, Legal action and refund said:

On this picture it looks excellent. Looks like full head of hair. 

I was a bit skeptical about him at first singe he is the new guy but I gotta say he did an outstanding job and gave you full coverage on the crown. 

Muresanu also did a good job on the frontal third. 

But yeah I agree  transplants can be tricky bro. They are just 50% native density that's why they sometimes look thin under harsh lighting...

What was the density per cm2 specifically during first surgery and during second ? 

 

Dr Muresanu didn't actually shared the Grafts/cm² count with me. And it's hard to guess, as Dr.Mursanu is not only implanting in the areas of loss but even in those which could fall out later (which I personally see as a downside).

HLC told me that the Hairline was like 30 grafts/cm² and that they are somewhat of miniturized, as the follicles were thinner as in the donor....

They added 30grafts/cm² in the front and also in the crown. 

I think the biggsest problem in my case is the ultra fine hair. 

8 minutes ago, ciaus said:

 

No one is saying you can't share it, too many guys do just blurt out their stories without doing any medical consultations to confirm whether drugs were actually causing their symptoms. And it creates unnecessary fear and anxiety that may cause some guys to not take a drug that would work great for them. Or cause them enough anxiety to generate nocebo side effects and stop taking the drug for no real reason.

 

You know what I'm saying is right. And you said yourself that anyone with a scary symptom like you are experiencing in your chest should go see a doctor immediately. But then you don't apply that advice to yourself, waiting to see if it goes away.

You are not thinking clearly, and contrary to being helpful, you're actually contributing to the internet being a place that causes more harm than good.

I hate doctors and especially ERs with a passion, I even didn't go to a doc with serious burn injuries for days. This is something on me and what I decide. 

You seem a little upset to me, for me there are clear signs between the intake of oral minox and the symptoms. That's why I drop the drug and share some 'warning'.

Take it or leave it

1 minute ago, Legal action and refund said:

Yeah SMP is a great option ! Troonen does good work. 

Will you go back to Bekir for a 3rd round to fill in the midscalp ? 

Well, it's so hard for me to see the reality these days. 

My result is looking different in every mirror and light condition, going from a full head of hair to a guy with some strand of hair on the bold head.

This is driving me f*ckin crazy!

Ordered a new Iphone to make some vids in daylight and see what the result currently looks like, or like other people see me.

If it looks like in the image, I think I should be good with a SMP and eventually a donor repair....

1 minute ago, ciaus said:

 

No you don't have certainty. Just because things are observed together doesn't mean one caused the other. Making symptoms appear and disappear doesn't mean they were actually being caused by a drug. There's a reason "correlation doesn't equal causation" is such an often-quoted and true saying.

We pay and train doctors so well because that's a garbage way to conduct medical care. And doctors work by confirming you are baseline healthy with medical instrumentation/bloodwork/lifestyle survey/mental health evaluations and monitoring.

 

The placebo and nocebo effects need to be ruled out as much as possible. There are drugs specifically designed to treat conditions, and work, but don't get approved because they don't work as well statistically as giving people sugar pills or telling them to do random superstitious acts. And the same goes for generating side effect symptoms. Just making people aware of the potential for side effects will cause some of them to create mental mechanisms that trigger their bodies to produce symptoms similar to the side effects. 

If you value your hair in the long term, work with your doctors to reach conclusions about your health and the safety for you specifically to take certain medications. Don't just rely on stories from the internet or your own amateur attempts at playing doctor.

Your post is fair, 

I just can share my story. I see the correlation nothing else. 

2 minutes ago, Legal action and refund said:

That's a fair price. 

yeah I totally understand bruh.

That shockloss  was really unfortunate...

I guess Dr. Sever took the strip, performed the incisions and then nurses did the implantation ?

Also what did Cengiz & Bekir say 'bout the scar ?  

Strip: Dr.Sever and a cooperative Doctor (Not Laura)

Incisions: Laura

Implantation: Nurses

HLC recommended me to get SMP in the scar or try with beard hair, but due to color difference, they don't recommend it.

I am actually in contact with Samuel Troonen for SMP, and also add density all over the head. 

Still deciding about it....

5 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Let me tag @XYON Health we’ll be launching a Q&A thread with Dr. Hasson and Dr. Pimstone. In short, because of the siloxysystem mesh delivery system. The drug stays on the scalp, it isn’t absorbed systemically. The reduction in serum DHT is equivalent to 0.01% topical fin, but much more effective (per studies). 

So would they be able to do a 0.00% systemical absorbtion, with less then 25mgFIN/ml? I think this would be the thing that people are screaming for. 

2 minutes ago, Legal action and refund said:

Bro how much did Sever charge per graft for your FUT ? 3.45€ ? 

I really don't know anymore, I think I paid around 14k-15k bucks, so must be Under 2.9€ for 5227 Grafts.

We came to an discount as 4500 was planned and 5200 was yield.

But I am not a huge Fan on Hattingen Hair anymore.... 

Just now, RTC said:

Estrofem? For what

Boobs

24 minutes ago, Legal action and refund said:

Most doctors prescribe oral minoxidil and believe it's safe. 

Dr. Sergio Vaño and Dr. Oscar Muñoz swear by it. 

Freitas and Pinto also prefer oral minoxidil. 

I know Bisanga, Shapiro, Russell Knudsen, Mwamba, Bhatti also commonly prescribe it in.their practice. 

On the other hand, Kevin Mann (who used oral minoxidil back in the day) made a series a videos about oral minoxidil and concluded it's not safe.

I believe oral minoxidil is no joke. Better than the topical for sure  since it skips the sulfotransferase issue, but it should be monitored under medical supervision. It's a good drug but not everyone is a candidate for it. 

Btw how much estradiol do you take Jan ? 

I wish you a rapid recovery

Thank you 🙂

I am on 6mg Estrofem, but I am a little pissed. My body doesn't procude much skin oil anymore, so my hair is always like fresh out of the shower, having thin hair doesn't help  

2 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

@didu911

Your face looks normal. Can you share a picture of your face when it isn’t “swollen” for comparison? 

I do think side effects will occur for some, so I’m not denying that, but hard to agree with swelling if theres no comparison. 

Thats a thing 🙂

Unswollen:

Swollen:

1 minute ago, Antlor said:

As of yet, please take care of yourself. Try not to be alone. Hope you get better soon and thanks so much for the warning on oral minoxidil. There is some talk about this drug on reddit and social media. People always talk about the danger of finasteride but oral minoxidil seems to be dangerous too.

Perhaps in the future, talk to a doctor if you plan on taking oral minoxidil again and lowering the dosage to 2.5mg. 

Wish you well.

 

Thank you, as for now, the swelling subsided, I still have chest pain while breathing but I think it will clear up by tomorrow. 
 

I was in shock this morning, seeing my face bloatet and feeling the pain in my chest was scary. 
I think everyone should go to see a doctor immediately if it happens to them. 
 

I will clearly stop oral minoxidil, even half the dose is not worth it. 
 

My body reacts in a very heavy way to this drug and overthinking it, I don’t think doctors should describe oral minoxidil in any form!

(Especially HT Docs or derms).

All the best and keep safe !

You guys should be careful, this is me after 2 weeks of 5mg oral Minoxidil.

I woke up today with a completely swollen face and also burning sensations around my hearth. 

Will eventually go to the ER, if it is still there in the evening.

7 hours ago, Ryan Daniel said:

I never heard of someone getting side affects after just 1 pill/dosage.  I'm completely shocked 

I had massive testicle pain on the following day. 

Any updates ?

i basically did the same:

Fut with Hattingen and Fue with HLC. 
I also noticed heavy thinning of the fut grafts after 2 years but think it recovered after getting on meds

2 hours ago, Hope everything is nova said:

Jan, how would you rate the results of your second surgery on the vertex with Dr. Bekir ? 

Looks like it's filled in pretty nicely. 

 

I would give it a 10 out of 10, survival rate must be high (Above 90 percent) and the angels are well placed. Nothing I could complain about.