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1 hour ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Shock loss may still be around at 5 months. I’m a bit confused by the series of pictures. The patchy pictures are those recent pictures?

Well it's a little hard to follow the thread, I had a FUT and already permanent shockloss because of that, you might need to read a little in detail. 

1 hour ago, What is your agenda here said:

Yeah looks nice and solid 👍

And like you said the angles are correct too. 

Do you have any pre-operation picture from the angle ? I mean before your 2nd surgery 

Nothing comparable, but this was right before the surgery 

22 minutes ago, What is your agenda here said:

How was your result on the recipient area from Dr. Bekir ? 

So, currently I am just approaching the 5th month, but It seems like solid work, I can see a lot of growth in the new designed hairline and the angles are good, I can see a little of cobble-stoning, but had some with Hattingen as well.

In the crown, I can't see a a lot of growth yet. 

But getting operated by an unknown doc makes the waiting game not a lot easier.... 

That's one point on the list, why I question my decisions. 

10 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

I have had 4 HT's now and I don't take finasteride, nor did I take finasteride when I started my journeys. However, I will be trying the topical version. Back when I had my first HT in 2014 topical finasteride didn't exist, unless you had it compounded for a ton of money at a pharmacy.

I think this is a quite controverse topic and really depends on the expectations.

Seeing your results on a NW6 are stunning for sure,

but If I would be you, looking handsome with a shaved head (we saw this in your eugenix video ), I would clearly vote for that for that instead of your current state.  

Archieving an optimal result with a small amount of grafts is the key!

Nice done! 

10 hours ago, Gatsby said:

No. The skill of the surgeon and the team, post op care and one's biology will dictate growth.

I don't feel this is pretty true.

As I had my FUT 5200 Grafts with Hattingen Hair, which consists of two top notch docs, the hair grew out very slowly, at 6 Months I was very disappointed, at 8 months quite happy.

Now, after 2600 FUE Grafts with HLC, I had extremly rapid growth in 4 months already

22 minutes ago, Rahal Hair Transplant said:

Keep in mind, that shocked hair (hair loss due to telogen effluvium aka shock loss) can take up to 6 to 12 months to grow completely back. So if you’re still experiencing shock loss from your FUE procedure only 5 months after the surgery, that’s not going unheard of.

in my opinion, give it time for the short hair to return and the Transplanred hair to grow which can take up to 12 to 18 months.

As far as the FUT scar, you can always go back and undergo an FUE procedure just to put some hair in the scar and minimize its appearance when wearing your hair cropped short at the sides and back of your scalp.  

Best wishes,

Rahal Hair Transplant

Thank you too, for your answer. 

The waiting-game is currently mentally very demaning, as I already had permanent shock loss, my first procedure instead, was an easy ride. 

Do you advice to apply minoxidil into the donor, if any of your patiens have shock loss in that area? 

Best

2 hours ago, What is your agenda here said:

Actually I get why you are concerned. 

Like I said your donor area at the back looks on the occipital region looks fine and no need to worry about it. 

Your little bald patch on the LEFT temporal side is fixable. 

However on the last picture that you uploaded it does appear that there is a thinned out area on the RIGHT temporal side. 

Your surgery with HLC was 6 months ago, right ? 

I circled that area in red. 

Was this specific area already looking like that after Hattingen ? Is this the consequence of the strip ? 

Or did you notice it after your 2nd surgery with HLC ? You mentionned HLC extracted 500 grafts from each temporal side correct ? 

 

 

 

 

Thank you 🙂

The permanent shock loss area was there before, and I was aware of that, but It didn't bothered me. If I compare the images, I see a lot more of lost density with an about same hair length  after the HLC intervention which was exactly 5 months ago.

Currently I don't see any reason, why there should still be 2500 Grafts in the donor, this is the main problem that bothers me, as I had a 'master plan' for long hair

2 minutes ago, What is your agenda here said:

Wow really sorry to hear about that Jan... 

Now that u uploaded your Ieft profile pic I see exactly what u talking about...

Yeah  the strip caused some permanent shock loss in a small area...

If your 1st surgery was in 2019 and that little bald spot still hasn't recovered then chances are it's permanent 

 Hattingen is a worldclass clinic. I always recommend them  but this is another cautionnary tale that s*** happens everywhere....including in the best clinics...

At least they proved they are ethical and offered to fix it for free. 

I understand it bothers u but the good news is your surgery was very succesful with them on the recipient area !  You were pretty damn bald my man like Norwood 5 and I saw your results on the german hairloss forum and they are amazing ! 👍

Also  like I said your donor still looks fine. 

Since you are transitionning and no longer interested in keeping your beard hairs then why not get the remaining beard grafts below the chin transplanted into that small bald patch ? 

I think that just a couple hundreds grafts from the beard can help fix that pretty easily. 

Also that would allow you to save the remaining hairs from the donor area for further surgeries in case you need them like 15-20 years down the road even though I highly doubt you will ever need additionnal surgeries on something as strong as Estradiol + Androcur that is literally Derek's nuclear protocol. 😂

Don't rush into a 3rd surgery with HDC...

Let your 2nd surgery with HLC come to a full result. Fix the little bald spot issue with Hattingen first and see how it goes from there. 

Your situation is by no means dramatic and there is no reason to be unhappy or depressed. 

All the best and good luck. 

 

Thank you very much, this is quite encouraging!

I don't judge Hattingen Hair to do anything wrong and Sever was also very confused, that the shockloss was happening to me, as he said, that there was no pressure at the scar and I trust him. 

I said thankfully no to his offer about the free scar fixing, as I didn't know if I want to get a second FUT at this time, but finally I decided against it. 

About the Androcur + Estofrem medication: I don't know if it will bring hair back, atm I would say, maybe just slightly but I can really see that it kills all the androgens in my body: Hair heavily decreased, decreased sweating and skin oil, no acne anymore, no ability to ejaculate. T is basically nuked and so should be DHT. But the best of it, I don't get the mental sides that I had on FIN, like depressions, memory loss and brain fog, which was really bothering me.

About the Balding, you are quite right, 

this is the before:

and here, as of today:

Analyzing the recipient area, I am quite happy, but If I want to grow my hair out, a touch up in the mid sclap would really be necessary.

The donor area is another chapter, IHMO at the moment it is quite destroyed, and would require more than some patchy beard grafts (which I don't even know, will survice the medication, a lot has been miniturized already)

At the moment, I am just questioning all my decisions, even if I had chosen top clinics, this seems not to be a home run for me  

2 hours ago, BeHappy said:

The FUE grafts taken look spaced apart well and by looking at your pre op picture it looks like you had very good donor, so with that I'm thinking it's mostly still shock loss that hasn't grown back in yet.If that's the case then it should be thickening up nicely in the next few months.

 

Thank you, I really hope and rely on the recvovery, as I planned another FUE with HDC with ~2000 Grafts in the Midcalp/Crown and a scar repair, as 2500 Grafts was what HLC told me to be left in the Donor.

It was not my intention to say that the donor is OVERHARVESTED, as HLC did a really clean job in extract those grafts. At the moment, it just looks like a typical overharvested donor, done by some hair mill (what is not the case, for sure).

Currently this situation is quite depressing, my plans are lay on ice, and if this situation holds on, I don't think I have any options:

- Beard: I had some decent one, but I am taking medication which vanish my Testosterone therefore my beard is mostly gone, and what is left, is fuzzy peach

- SMP: I feel more like a woman, so short hair style is nothing I woul feel right with 

Well Hattingen, left me with this permanent loss, shown on the picture (but they offered me a FUE scar repair free of charge), that is why I am absolutely in fear of further permanent loss and also chose FUE instead of FUT for the second intervention. 

I was highly relying on that 2500 left grafts in Donor, which HLC told me is left after the second operation. 

I am absolutely shocked, even if I know it’s a waiting game, having in mind I lost the last battle already doesn’t help :/

Here is the before picture, indeed they spread it out, 1500 from the back and 500 from each side, while the sides look fine. 
unfortunately I didn’t take a picture on the second day

Hello,

I had 2 transplants:

First, in 2019 with Hattingen Hair, FUT 5200 Grafts

Second, 5 months ago with HLC, Fue 2600 Grafts

Unfortunately I already had some shock loss due to the FUT, especially in the area of the clamps (track trails).

I just kept my head short after the FUE until now and I am shocked about how it looks in the back after 5 months.

Even as HLC has told me to still have 2500 Grafts in the Donor after the procedure.  
 

I don’t know, after 5 months it shouldn’t look like this, and I am at the end and deadly depressed now.

Am I overreacting?