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16 minutes ago, 5BetaReductase said:

with that being said, the hairline is way too low and without bringing forward the temple points, it looks very unnatural.

IDK man, I would accept an unnatural result like this any day.

Probably cost less than $5k usd also.

Problem is the clinic likely used everything in their power to make this specific case look good, and is not at all the norm.

He's very lucky.

You want to harvest grafts from the crown, that area is usually the most prone and first to go. It's a gamble and most surgeons probably won't do this.

20 hours ago, Max31 said:

 

 

 

 

Judging by your donor, in order to not look absolutely ridiculous from the back you're going to have to find a surgeon who will meticulously extract from a wide pattern, or extract from higher in the donor. Even then you will probably disappointed in the donor appearance when all said and done.

Maybe go very conservative like 1-1.5k grafts to fill in the temples. Frontal third looks ok density wise.

FWIW your hair is undeniably better at this point than it was pre surgery and you still are at the half way point.

You have favorable hair characteristics as well with respect to the illusion of density.

Congrats man.

Being from Long Island i'm tempted to go and get the doc's take on my donor, I've already made a deposit but put it off because of this. 🤔

On 6/20/2022 at 7:24 AM, Orion2 said:

• What do you think about my donor area?
• What would be the best strategy to adopt? One mega session over 2 days? Several transplants over 2 years?
• What would be the best outcome for me? Focus on the front hairline, and mid scalp and completely ignore the vertex? Or get a more standardized density across the entire scalp and let my hair grow a bit more to hide the lack of density?
• Last but not least, if I have a budget of around 10k€, what clinics would you recommend?

It looks below average. The back is thinning and the area behind the ear is also thinning. 

Your sides are still intact so it should be easy to frame the face aiming for the hairline/frontal 3rd.

Honestly I would reach out to eugenix. You mentioned bisanga but seeing your donor I don't think he would accept you. Be sure to reach out anyway. With eugenix, it's not that they are anything special compared to the other elite doctors recommended here, it's the fact that they are highly vetted with a LOT of patient stories plus the forum admin, Melvin, has a direct line to the founders if something were to go wrong. With 10k you have a few options also at eugenix.

5 hours ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

Ok you're right that looks like absolute crap. 

I wonder if a bit of "light" over harvesting would not be so bad though if the trade off meant full coverage in other areas

Depends on how long you like to keep your hair and your skin/hair contrast.

This is my biggest fear as well and has held back my procedure. I have dark hair, fair skin and decent donor but it's not exactly a thicket.

You can always try and plead with your surgeon to spread out the extraction pattern.

It's pretty funny how Bicer was like "buzz off pal, you don't need a ht" and Bisanga was like "hmm a NW2? yeah, come on down pal!". That sounds about right. 🤣

Kudos to Dr Bicer.

I don't see a problem with filling in the temples. It doesn't even appear that bad, maybe just the left temple? Lowering the hairline would be risky though.

Regardless, the meds seem to be working for you so stick with that.

12 hours ago, therambler said:

Hey everyone, Embarrassing post coming up.

So I'm 38 years old and I've been on Finasteride for a long time now, around 10 years initially with no issues, I considered myself one of the lucky ones. A couple years ago I suffered from ED  I was able to move past this and have ah.. performed fine since. Whenever it came to sex I have been a bit anxious about it since that experience though, but still managed fine.

I had my second HT very recently and after this I added Dutasteride - 0.5mg,  3 times a week into the mix along with 1.25 mg Finasteride on the days I wasn't taking Dutasteride and Oral minox.

Well, I had another episode like above at the weekend  I'm assuming the side effects were from the medication, I've no way of knowing this for sure.. It could just be anxiety from knowing the medication had changed and fear that this might happen.

I'm wondering what to do next, Ideally I want to stay on the meds to give myself the best chance of a successful outcome. I'm considering reducing the dosage slightly maybe rather than going off them cold turkey.. Would appreciate peoples advice or if they had any similar experiences

A lot of men get ED as they get older. If you've been on fin starting at 28 then had one episode of ED eight years later at 36 that could def be natural. It's hard to know. There are still risks nonetheless when using fin.

I didn't have any side effects until about 7 months in. It wasn't random ED years later either. I straight up had loss of blood flow "down there" and also felt a sharp drop in mood. It lasted about a day and I was able to power through it with no recurring episodes since.

Can a once or twice occurrence be attributed to fin? Or is that simply anxiety? It's hard to say. I would think that if you are prone to side effects then they shouldn't just "go away". But the body does adapt. 

Side note - Have you consulted your doctor about combining DUT+FIN? 

What is the efficacy on 3 days DUT 4 days FIN? If FIN was no longer working I would stick with DUT once a day.

2 hours ago, lunch_owl said:

You can find the donor in this thread:

 

Thanks.

It would be pretty ambitious for sure, the donor looks average to below average. While already nw6 at least. If you don't mind a sparse looking donor I'd say go for it. 

Probably not feasable. 

4 hours ago, lunch_owl said:

 I want my hairline to be close to  my mole on the forehead. Is this possible?

Unlikely, but show us the donor anyway.

3 hours ago, 12345 said:

Was offer by Eugenix clinic. I am not a big believer in hair loss vitamins. Were these worth getting? Did anyone who bought them notice a difference, or think they make a difference?

Googling shows about $15 per box.

It has these ingredients per tablet

• Grace Tricho Gold ---> ????
• Grace Cal D3, ---> vitamin d3
• Grace Tricho Flax, ---> flaxseed oil
• Grace Tricho Ferum, ---> iron??
• Grace Q10S --> CoQ10
• Grace Tricho Protein ---> no idea? collagen?

Is this worth it to you? It depends if you already take these supplements or not. These generally improve quality of life especially d3. So if you don't take these yet, then...maybe?

On 6/9/2022 at 4:47 PM, MissMyLongHair said:

https://imgur.com/a/cEsyH5x

Not only do you NOT need a transplant, but if this is your hair at 25 you more than likely will never need one. Style your hair better if you want to hide the corners. (get a haircut)

Goodluck. 

9 hours ago, Mighty said:

Hi lads, I’m just into my 6 month mark. I know a lot on here say to wait for 12 months , at the minute my hair line doesn’t look at all dense , nor does there look like new hairs are sprouting. I had about 2600 put into my front half and about 1000 in my crown. I’ve been asked by my doctor not to put up any photos until 12 months , I’m just a bit panicky that I don’t see much growth especially at the front . I went with a well respected doctor from this forum. 
Has anyone else had slow growth but gone onto a decent result or am I panicking a bit early?

thanks 

FWIW I have not had my procedure yet. However, after 6 months and unsatisfactory growth I'm not sure I would acquiesce such a request by my surgeon. It's also worth noting that even if you posted photos for us to judge growth, you can still withhold the Dr's name. This gives the doctor anonymity (Debatable if that is even necessary, this being a patient oriented forum after all), while also giving you a chance at some insight from ton's of former patients and experts. 

I do wonder if some simply exaggerate or outright lie about the surgeon asking them not to post photos as an excuse because the patient themselves are simply embarrassed at the result. In that case you are doing a major disservice to us all.

Also, just about every "content" creator on youtube, along with their aunt, have a keeps sponsor which includes a promo code. Never pay full price for keeps if you can help it.

7 hours ago, AnxiousBeginner said:

Also, I'm too scared of the side-effects of Propecia and the possibility of permanent side-effects even after stopping treatment, but I was considering the topical versions and was wondering where would be the best place (and most cost-effective) to buy these. It seems like Keeps / ForHims / HappyHeads are the big players but they're also a bit pricey. I found one that seems decent - minoxidilmax.com - but they don't require any consultation or prescription which seemed like a red flag. Can anyone offer any advice on the best place to order from? And I heard that dutasteride may be even better than finasteride and was considering a mix of minoxidil and dutasteride - does this make sense?

You might be surprised at the small but positive changes on FIN. 

A proactive approach to mitigate physical side effects before you start FIN would be to lower body fat thus lowering aromatase expression. This would provide a better balance of e2 to test levels and can be easily done by keeping dietary intake just slightly below maintenance while increasing protein and fat intake.

You still have plenty of hair to keep on the crown and lateral humps.

I've used keeps but beware it is subscription based and auto renews every 3 months or so.

Just want to get this out of the way. I'm not advocating for a no-lifting approach.

You should be working out heavy and often. Along with low intensity sustained cardio.

But if you're also prone to MPB, get on FIN as well to be safe.

3 minutes ago, sukh123 said:

You said "training like crazy will accelerate hair loss " 

No need to be a twit and editorialize mate. Here's what I said

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PED's or not, training like crazy WILL accelerate MPB if you're prone to it.

No where did I say MPB causes or is solely determined by training. Use some nuance. 

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it doesn't matter if you train once a week or every day, that has no impact on hair loss, which is exactly what you implied. And yes you can have 0.01 DHT levels but if you are very sensitive to the androgen due to genetic predisposition, it does  not matter you will lose hair. Hence why a lot of people who have low t still lose hair and people with sky-high T and Dht who are not sensitive have a full head of hair in their 40's. 

I'm not even sure what you're arguing against here. I never said having that simply high DHT means you'll lose hair.

If you're prone to MPB, increasing DHT conversion will be detrimental to keeping your hair.

4 minutes ago, NARMAK said:

I don't agree with this position tbh. If you are blocking DHT, that's the main hair loss antagonist in androgenic alopecia but increased testosterone from working out is nowhere as destructive to hair follicles unless you are using PEDs to boost it through the roof and then some. 

Males can be more sensitive to hair loss though with an increase in even testosterone and those are usually the one's who still suffer increased hair loss under DHT blockers too. 

Taking FIN is a different story.

Of course FIN will stop a lot of DHT conversion and slow down hairloss.

32 minutes ago, sukh123 said:

What complete rubbish lol, training has nothing to do with mpb, yes it may increase your test and hence DHT but . 

Quote me where I said training causes MPB. You can't.

I said if you're prone to MPB training and leaning out will definitely accelerate that.

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people can have minimal DHT and still lose hair due to genetic predisposition and DHT sensitivity

In your fantasy scenario a guy with minimal DHT who is losing hair, begins to train everyday and increases DHT = no additional effect on hairloss?

Rethink what you're saying here.

His hair is (substantially) longer in the after photos..

I'm gonna' go with "INCONCLUSIVE" on this one. Sorry fellas.

PED's or not, training like crazy WILL accelerate MPB if you're prone to it.

Its happened/happening to me. A few years ago I went from casual 2-3 times a week to training every day and leaned out while getting a lot stronger.

Like the guy above me said, get on medication and see how you respond. That's the gameplan for young guys with aggressive diffuse loss. 

The picture 3 years pre HT tells me the donor was already slightly thin.

That plus the the surgeon extracting from the typical 5-6 square inch space we see so often. 🙄

Was it over harvested or simply not spread out enough?

Its six of one, half-dozen of the other.

On 5/24/2022 at 2:19 PM, Johnathan Edison Tesla said:

These are how my donor area is at the moment. I’m afraid my donor area might be weak

The donor looks below average/bad.

You may not like the appearance after 3-4k grafts. 

Unless you only get haircuts maybe once every 2 months.

Some don't care what the back of the head looks like and just want to frame the face better, regardless if the back looks goofy as a result.

I've seen it far too often on here and other sites. Just my 2 cents.