THE TRUTH

Just now, gillenator said:

Is he no longer affiliated with TBT?

Then what did you mean when you said Erdogan bought him?…sorry, not aware of this.

Check out Joe's youtube channel. 

He is making promotionnal videos for ASMED. 

Just now, gillenator said:

Is he no longer affiliated with TBT?

Spencer & Joe still have their weekly show on Youtube. 

Just now, gillenator said:

Are you referring to JT on TBT?

yes ! 

2 minutes ago, capitalhaircenter said:

Hi @RG11, 

First, we need to learn your age. After that, we need to see your donor area. If your donor area is rich, you can undergo hair transplantation. Moreover, what is the situation of your crown area? Can you send all of your photos to us? We will kindly give a free consultation to you. 

Hello capitalhaircenter, 

May I ask if you offer free shilling courses ? 

Thanks you very much, 

Best regards

Cinik is a notorious mill. He's pure  lottery. 

All depends on which team of techs you get. 

It could be a fantastic result for only 3000 bucks but you could also get destroyed for life. 

6 minutes ago, Royce said:

Who would you recommend in Spain/Portugal that’s around 2.5 per graft ?

Pinto  & Freitas would be my first choice in Portugal. He was 2.6 now I believe he raised to 3.0. Freitas is 3.5 for the first 2500 grafts then drops the price to 2.5. 

Ximena & Ferreira would be my second choice. She's still at 2.5 whereas Ferreira raised to 3.5

Hans Heinecke, Felicidad Espinosa Medecap and BHR Malaga are also decent options. 

But as I always say you have to do your own research. Transplants are never guaranteed even with the best doctors. 

12 minutes ago, RTC said:

Spot on

I dealt with SMP... honestly crap solution as you can't go in the sun without sun block or the SMP will fade, and constant touch ups as The Truth mentioned

I also had to pay for a repair (which their is no guarantee will even work)

Asli tarcan was one of the worst decisions I ever made

Don't be another statistic

Did you have SMP on the whole head m8 or just in the donor area ?

2 minutes ago, RTC said:

Take it from someone who was botched - if they mess things up you will live to regret it for a long long time

yes I second what RTC said here. 

It's not just like  "if it fails I'm just gonna shave it ". 

This doesn't work at all unfortunately. 

A bad hair transplant is something people regret their whole life. It's a big deal. It really is. 

If you shave you'll have 2 problems. 

-Thousands of weird-looking white scars at the back and sides showing you had FUE.  

-And your baldness will still be visible even if you shave with a razor... 

So in case things go wrong you'll have to accept dealing with SMP touch-ups for the rest of your life OR wearing hats OR paying tens of thousands of dollars for repair with a top repair doctor....so think about it. 

7 minutes ago, LookMaxx said:

Hairtranplant mentor recommends him and did a video tour of his clinic which is just jaw dropping amazing

So I am surprised too why HTM would recommend him if he is so bad and just a hairmill? 
 

HLC is also praised a lot yet there was such a bad result here lately. 
 

I don’t understand how people come to the conclusion if a clinic is good or bad, when some clinics have had bad results but still praised?

Hair Transplant Mentor used to be a great source of information but he is not anymore ! 

I don't trust him anymore at all. 

Koray Erdogan has bought Tillman....

ASMED is clearly a mill. Absolutely no doubt about that. This is not even debatable. They were removed from this forum years ago because of that. 

Don't trust Tillman's promotionnal youtube videos and ASMED youtube channel. Those results are obviously cherry picked and certainly not representative  of the average result you could expect. 

Do an extensive research on this forum and you will see that they have MANY bad results in the past and even one recently and more importantly terrible ethics... That's the big problem. 

HLC is by no means "praised" on this forum. They do have a few good results here and there but they also got several well-known bad results already and ofc a really bad one published the other day...

The general consensus on this forum was that they were somewhat better than ASMED (at least until recently...) because they do less patients per day and doctors are way more involved during procedures. And while they did have a non negligeable number of crap results, I gotta be fair and stress that they didn't have really bad botches so to speak as the 2 cases we saw recently.  That's it. 

Sadly, it appears that they are becoming the exact same as ASMED  these days...Bad botches and poor ethics. It's really sad and unfortunate but it's all about money in this industry. 

3 minutes ago, sewoa said:

Yes , you write some good points. In the end, it's the result you want. But how many percent chance there is of a good result is rather difficult to say regardless of the clinic you choose? But it's clear if you choose a clinic where almost everyone is satisfied, versus a clinic where half are satisfied, maybe that says a little..

yeah man. A hair transplant is a gamble per definition. No matter which clinic you go to. But the more consistent the clinic, the better chances of good outcome. 

ASMED is known for having many bad independant reviews online. I don't know the exact statistics. 

But if we were to speculate then I'd say with ASMED maybe less than 10% of their results are above average and could be described as "great". Probably closer to 5% in my honest opinion. 

A good 50% are just average like everywhere else.

30% are subpar/mediocre. Some growth on the recipient but lacking density  

And probably around 10-20% are botch jobs (donor area damage, poor growth and stuff like that  ....) 

This is just my estimation. 

1 minute ago, sewoa said:

It might sound like I just want to defend Dr. Koray. but I still think that the coin has two sides and that there are still opportunities for good results today even if there are also risks for the opposite..

But if I were to be dissatisfied, I would have no problem writing this.

 

I had contact with a lot of other clinics but in the end I chose to go to the place where I know people I know have had good results. Maybe my reasoning was wrong but that's how I thought.

It's your personnal decision bro and I respect it. 👍

But the real question you gotta ask yourself is not "what are the chances of getting a good result ? Is it closet to 50% or more like 70% etc... ?

No. 

I believe the real question you should be asking yourself is "what if things go wrong ? What am I gonna do with poor result and wasted donor area ?"....

13 hours ago, sewoa said:

Thanks again for your replies here, really appreciated. I have read people who were dissatisfied, but I also think that there is no clinic that does not have some/some dissatisfied customers?

Bro okay yes some people got good results from ASMED 

But considering how many got really bad results I think it's way too risky. 

At 2.5€ per graft I would rather go with Ximena Vila Özlem Bicer 

Your donor is limited

Your donor area looks good. It doesn't seem affected by DUPA. 

You may have a little bit of retrograde alopecia above the ears on the temples points (not hairline) but nothing to be worried about. 

Oral finasteride and dutasteride should still help. Apply minoxidil to that specific area too. 

You have crown baldness starting. 

Get on Finasteride/Dutasteride as soon as possible. 

Crowns are extremely difficult to transplant. Once you lose it then it becomes extremely hard to make it look full again even after several hair transplants. 

Just now, TrustTheProcess said:

Did you honestly label a clinic that performs extractions and implantations by only medical doctors, with 4 max surgeries per day (4 doctors), a hair mill?

Believe it or not, I actually used to believe (like most people) that they are the best in Turkey  and was seriously considering them for myself at some point. But after finding out about some issues I changed my mind. 

How would you label it  after seeing Michael's case ? 

Guys,

I have talked with Michael privately.
He has provided what I consider to be more than sufficient evidence to certify his sincerity and accuracy of his report. To me, there is no more doubt that what he reported is fair, true and sincere. 

Michael's result, current donor area situation as well as the unethical treatment he has received post operatively are all extremely alarming.

The problem goes way beyond the issue of poor growth that we all know is a sad reality of this industry that happens to any other clinic in the world on a regular basis.

The first point I want to raise is that Michael was operated by HLC while he was not even a candidate for hair transplantation to begin with. This is not the first report I hear of this clinic operating on someone who is experiencing an ongoing scalp condition. A patient who was with forum member EvansLawrence had the exact same experience. My understanding of this is that such practice is very unethical and its only aim is profit despite doctors being well aware of the potential risk of poor outcome. In addition to that, it must be stressed that this was repeated twice.

Secondly, Michael's donor area was permanently overharvested. There is still a small possibility that this is temporary shockloss but let's be honest and real here: this does not look good for 6 months... Overharvesting of the limited lifetime donor supply at the back of the head is the worst thing that can happen to a balding man. It means that you may never have enough donor supply to repair the balding areas on the recipient and the moth-eaten patches in the donor area will never regenerate. I would describe this situation as severe psychological damage and physical disfigurement as a result of medical malpractice.

Lastly and most importantly, I have no words to describe the treatment he has receveid from the clinic after his 2nd operation. This is by far the biggest problem in my opinion. We all know that bad cases happen in every clinic. A real ethical clinic should care about their patients and offer solutions. Every surgeon messes up sometimes, every clinic has poor results and bad donor sometimes due to factors they do not have control over like "X factor". But the real doctor ALWAYS STANDS BY HIS WORK no matter what. 

 Instead of admitting their fault, apologizing and standing by their work by offering a solution, the clinic is constantly putting the blame on the patient, manipulating him, and playing him like a fool for 2 years.

Seriously is this how a  clinic is supposed to handle such a situation where a desperate patient in seek of help who got a bad result and what seems to be a severly damaged donor is trying to contact them ?...

Therefore, my understanding of this whole situation is that this particular clinic that is promoted by famous hair transplant sources such as german hairloss consultant Andreas Kramer, youtuber Matt Dominance, Alopezie.de and Belicapelli forums is dangerous in addition to being unprofessional and unethical.

Man completely forget about Koray.

Don't listen to freakin Tillman. 

ASMEDMANUALBOTCH is one of the most unethical clinics and most expensive hairmills out there. 

Worst value if we consider the high price relative to low qualtity...

If you research on this forum there are at least 10 guys who got botched by Koray's uneducated teams of nurses or got bad results. 

What were your baseline DHT levels ? 

If Finasteride doesn't help than I would go straight to Dutasteride 0.5mg daily. 

The strongest DHT inhibition in the hair follicles is achieved with 2.5mg Dutasteride daily. 

Man this is by far one of the worst and nastiest hairmill botches I've seen in a quite a while...

Poor growth + overharvested donor + unethical post op behaviour 

All the ingredients are there. 

Shame on them.  

Just now, Es1 said:

Thanks for your kind words bro, appreciate the reassurance! 

It has slowly gotten worse - my friend recommended me a place called Este medical hear in the UK (not sure where you're from), they said they'll give me the laser treatment on my hair for a few months, get a transplant and then carry on with it when I get back

To be honest my hair i don't think has gotten any worse in the last 12-18 months but I just thought I'd rather get it sorted now as I believe its stopped falling and I wanted it to how it was before (or close to. Which I thought would be achievable as its not so bad)

I guess I'll hold fire on a hair transplant for the time being - just wondering when would be the right time then? If my hair does not get any worse then should I not just do it 

P.S love my skin fades bro haha!

Thanks bro and no problem. 

Sadly genetic hairloss is a progressive condition. It will inevitably get worse. It never stops  although sometimes it looks like it's stopped visually but the miniaturization keeps going...

Starts by receding hairline, thinning crown or diffuse thinning and then progresses to a full HORSESHOE ! 

Now of course not everyone will be shiny bald on top with the horseshoe at the cal and sides but the sooner you start balding the more chances you have to reach an advanced degree of baldness later down the road. 

If you do nothing then your hairloss will continue for sure. Based on your pictures, I suspect you may become Norwood 4-5 during the next 10  years. 

So it is always 1 billion times easier to keep what you have then recover what you've lost. Hair transplants can NEVER match the density you had before the onset of Androgenic Alopecia. Most  people with advanced baldness still look like they are balding/thinning even after tens of thousands of dollars spent on transplants and multiples surgeries...

The right time for transplant will be when you get on oral Fina/Dura and give it 6-12 months. If your hairloss is stable  then you may go for  a small transplant but choose the right doctor ! 

20 minutes ago, sukh123 said:

Which cases , I’ve never seen a overharvested one from them ever ?

Andrei. He was overharvested. 

Not as bad as Michael Hofmann though. 

Freitas is amongst the top 10 clinics in the world. I highly recommend him. Never seen a bad result. One of the best hairline artists  out there. 

HOWEVER I have seen maybe 2 subpar results on fororecuparartupelo from Freitas over the years. And I remember correctly he fixed them for free. He's an ethical doctor and there are also many independants reviews which are great ! 

He's great but he isn't perfect. Hair transplant is always a gamble. 

But he's a safe bet and his extractors are well-trained. 

Dr. Daniela Cotelesa used to be Freitas' extractor. She's great. A rising talent like Ferreira and Ximena. She left and opened her own clinic. 

As a general rule, I agree that you should NEVER NEVER NEVER trust reviews posted by the clinics themselves or their representatives because they are CHERRY PICKED per definition. 

Always look for independant reviews. I always teach people:  deliberately look for bad results. Literally browse the whole internet. 

Fororecuperartupelo, alopeziede, belicapelli, Reddit, international hairloss forum, hairloss experiences, hairlosstalk, sacekimisonuclari, impactof hairloss.be, hairsite, hairloss conquerors on FB, Mesiasss4 and tenermaspelo on youtube, look for bad reviews on google, on youtube, russian and greek hairloss forums,  EVERYWHERE. 

You gotta be smarter than all this shills, salesmen, snake oils sellers and promoters, affiliation guys, "mentors"  etc...

The hair transplany industry is a dirty minefield. You gotta be SMARTER. 

Check out the spanish forum fororecuperartupelo. 

Many reviews from him 

Way too soon at this stage bro....

Why sacrify your nice-looking skin fade at the back and on the side for some crappy white dot FUE scars  and poor result on top ?...

I know transplant is tempting bro....

But a hair transplant is a huge deal. It really is.  Mentally, physically and financially. 

It has tons of limitations and risks. 

The truth is it's a gamble.  Not just with turkish hairmills but also with the best surgeons. 

Diffuse thinners are very tricky. Very few surgeons in the world have the required skillset to sucessfully perform a hair transplant on a diffuse thinner without causing permanent shockloss of native miniaturized hairs and without having poor survival and thus throwing to the garbage your precious LIMITED grafts from the donor zone...

You should first consider a strong pharmaceutical stack. 

Sorry but topical minoxidil alone is not sufficient. For 2 reasons

1. Minoxidil works by artificially stimulating the anagen growth phase through potassium/calcium channels in the dermall papilla cells and the B-catenin and WNT pathways. It buys you time BUT it does not adress the underlying rootcause of the evolutionnary curse of Male Pattern Baldness which is genetic sensitivity of the hair follicles to DHT. That's why you will need a 5AR inhibitor or direct anti androgen at some point. 

2. Minoxidil is like a placebo if you do not have sufficient sulfotransferase enzyme expression. This particular enzyme is required for converting minoxidil into its active form minoxidil sulfate. Otherwise it doesn't do crap. Therefore you should either use oral minoxidil or try to compound minoxidil with tretinoin. 

I suggest you get on 

Dutasteride 0.5mg 

Oral minox 2.5mg 

Optionnal: Fluridil, RU58841 and microneedling.

Give it at least 6-8 months. Not everyone will respond to medication. Medication works in SOME cases by thickening existing miniaturized hairs. It doesn't grow hair on bald scalp. In your case it may be beneficial. Certainly worth giving a try. 

The goal is not to get a transplant in this "game". The real goal is to get as few transplants as possible....

We are dealing with a complicated situation in the first place. Here' why

Hairloss = progressive condition. 

Transplant = scarring +  risk of failure 

Donor area = limited 

If medication doesn't to anything then yes after 6-12 months you may consider a transplant. 

You don't have much hairloss so you won't need a lot of grafts. Therefore do not cheap out bro !!!

Go with the best of the best and forget about Turkey. They are crap and they have no idea how to transplant diffuse thinners...

Konior, Freitas, Couto, Bisanga, Pinto, Feriduni, Muresanu, Ferreira. Zarev is great too. 

Good luck and keep fighting the good fight. 

And remember time is off the essence when it comes to fighting permanent genetic Male Pattern Baldness. 

All the best 👊

Just now, RG11 said:

Thank you very much for the info and also for the recommendations. That is very helpful and I will definitely take a look at them.

I have been on finasteride for over 2 years now and I think it has helped me to lose a lot less hair than I probably would have done. I have also been using minoxidil for maybe 3.5 years and did micro needle as well for a period of time but stopped this as I wasn't noticing any benefit.

The way my hair is you can't really notice it from the back that I'm bald in top as it doesn't go down far and I have longish hair at the back of my head that I currently sweep over it to cover it. My fringe also grows quite long at the front so as long as I have my temples filled in it should look good.  I did originally want to lower thr hairline but as I've grown my hair longer on top, I've relealised if I just fill in the sides and keep it the same and keep it a bit longer on top, it looks like a better hairline.

I was originally looking at Dr Bicer in Turkey as I know she is highly recommended on here and has a lot of experience. 

Try oral minoxidil OR topical compounded with tretinoin since this enhances the sulfotransferase enzyme.

Bicer is good yeah. I talked about her many times. 

She is not the best when it comes to crown but she is definitely a safe bet ! 

She won't botch or overharvest.