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36 minutes ago, Xander said:

@StillAlive @mafpe- thank you for comments.

I’ve been noticing FueCapilar described as a “good budget option”. Though Dr Gur has a VIP package where he does the extractions and is more involved at 1.25 EU per graft. Implantations are done by his team, which is even the case for other surgeons like Dr Bicer who charge a higher price per graft.

Dr Bansal’s has a similar level of involvement but for nearly 3x the cost. 

Eugenix does have far more reviews on this forum but is that due to how long they have been in operation? Population of the country maybe?

implantation is somewhat of a chore kind of work in usual cases, as they only put in the grafts into pre made slit. if it's DHI, implantation should best be done by doc since it would dictate the angle and density, it's incision and implantation in one.

it's common to have a little off angle or hair when they first grow, but like our native, hair direction is malleable... to a certain extent. it takes time but style it in a direction often enough, it will subtly change direction. now the only problem with this might be on very curly hair like afro one since they are growing in angles and curls. i might be wrong but that's what i know of it.

eugenix have tons of review due to the sheer quantity and the recommendation of the members here which swears by them. there are some period which many just say "eugenix" when people asked for opinions. price to quality ratio wise, they are rather good, so i heard. i have no real idea however since i didn't research much on eugenix since they have many docs. among them, 3 names i keep seeing though, dr das, dr arika, and dr prasdep.

just a somewhat mature hairline.

if you want, you can use a HT to "renew" the hairline, but not needed imo, you look fine, maybe look a lil older than what your age usually looks like due to a bit of recession, but is rather normal looking. no one would think you're balding.

most likely you won't ever be in high NW scale, so you're pretty safe.

I'm sorry to say but you might want to go bald... i've almost never say this here since most cases can be 'helped'...

You're currently 21, and with your head atm, that's already aggresively balding... coupled woth the fact that you are on meds for more than a year already, you're either a non responder or your balding is so aggresive that the meds are unable to halt nor slow the process...

A hair transplant almost always have "transparency" effect, especially when shown under light. With how advanced your balding is, you would not have enough hair for a dense transplant. You can circumvent this by using concealers and other methods like partial hair system and any other means. But yes you wont have any real density otherwise.

My reason for saying you might want to go bald however, is because of the possibility of still losing trabsplanted hair. There are cases where a decade after, the transplanted hair lose thickness, and despite being a DHT resistant donor, it was slowly getting miniaturised. This isnt true for everyone but with how aggresive your balding is, i think it's probable you'll be losing them as well in the years to come. This might mean after half or a decade, you'll be back to where you are right now.

*edit : i'd advise on alternative route, such as SMP / hair system / shaving. Each have their own commitment though, just like HT.

51 minutes ago, Beehive said:

I don’t really have a fixed budget (sure I don’t want to pay 5k+ but a few hundreds more or less is alright) I want it to be a good procedure, and price-performance is what’s important to me.

if the quoted grafts is around 3500 grafts +, and you don't want to spend 5k+, that means lower than 1.25 per grafts. hair mill cost around 0.4-1 per graft, that leave dr yaman at 1 per graft, dr demirsoy but with tech extraction with the same price at 1, then fuecapilar at 1.25 per graft if i'm not wrong. i think fuecapilar have set price per range of grafts, probably it'll even out near 1 per graft as well. technically at least i only have knowledge of those three that falls in your budget.

your budget is borderline on a hair mill one, so you don't really have much option.

among 3, yaman.

i'd say to save up for a better budget, but if you're hellbent on doing hair mill level price of budget, go with yaman, at least the risk is lower than the other two.

i think the usual doc work like alopecia's blue marker would be good.

you don't need to move the NW forward, but strengthening it seems like a good idea, since the problem is with the already miniaturised hair, is that they might get a permanent shock loss.

to be honest i have little regret regarding strengthening my scalp, because of the uncertainty it bring. if it works, a great thing to look forward to. but the risk of actually killing the already weak hair does give me a scare.

if you don't have high NW baldness problem, i'd suggest softening the hairline. since you only need to refine it so it looks natural, maybe around 400-500 grafts?

it's uncertain what happened yet, it might just be lagging behind (like how growth on crown lags behind frontal area), or worst case they planted your one temple the least, or the latest (one temple done first, and the n middle, and last to the other temple. which leads to lower survival graft on one side. *this would be due to overly long time the grafts are outside of your body. rare case to happen though, as most reputable doc would ensure it not to be outside you for more than 5-6 hours)

most likely though, you'll be fine, since it's only been 2 months. normally most hair sprouts near month 2 end till month 4 end. if the area is wholly barren untill the 6th month, then that's when you should be concerned.

the combination of fut then fue is in order to yield as much as possible result. at least that's the theory.

if you have tons of money though, you can do a fit farming instead, which would be better with no strip scar, and the safety of being able to restock donor at will.

this is going to cost you a whole ton though, plus the commitment and time.

ask how much is dr bansal involved. all i know is that the "crucial" extraction is done by her, and the rest by the team. to be honest, i don't really understand since for me, extraction are all 'crucial' as any transection means lost graft. but it might be that dr bansal simply check on the angling of hair, and how to extract, then dictate the team on how to proceed. i don't have any qualm with techs doing extraction as there are many top techs that is great at what they do. still, it's a big question mark for me on that particular package since it's like just asking for a slight touch from dr bansal, it feels like just adding a branding quality on a product.

from the many reviews here though, most are happy with it, which i guess is what matters.

for dr gur, you can review them plainly as there isn't much variable since you do know that he's the only one working with you. i think you can simply view the cost ratio with the eugenix package. if you can afford the higher one, and you think they yield great result, i'd say to go for it.

there are many things that you can ration in life, and some that you shouldn't save or bargain on.
HT... lies in the middle, but usually it's on the side where you want everything to be as safe as possible. only skimp if you are perfectly comfortable with the risk, and doesn't even really care about being bald or not to begin with. like gambling, only gamble on what you are willing to lose.

*NB: i'm not implying on that dr gur or any is a worse option, only my opinion on how to proceed and pick the doctor.

I suggest you go and check with a doctor regarding your scar.

I thought it's just swollen and is healing poorly, but if you said blood and fluid keeps seeping out, i'm worried that there might be liquid that keeps pooling and produced underneath, and that's not a good thing. It's been 4 months, not 4 days. It shouldn't be fatal, but still a problem that any medic would want to take care of.

I'm curious about the clinic as well, but for now, what i think you should do is get a PROFESSIONAL ecaluation, and by a dr that is NOT RELATED to the clinic you went with, at all. You can make a better decision by then with the evaluation, and input from your docs and perhaps any other with good knowledge on it.

1 hour ago, GorillaSquad said:

Okay good news.  Hair is recovering.   Turns out it wasn’t an iron thing.     It’s bacteria.       
 

I have dedicated thousands of hours of my life. There is empirical proof that pathogens such as bacteria can actually accelerate or possibly trigger mpb.       My dandruff issue is officially solved now after almost a decade of suffering.      This has resulted in a dramatic drop in hairloss.     
 

Scalp pain gone.  My scalp has never felt better after using an antiseptic all over my body and antifungal and finishing off within a zinc naicinamide topical.    Let’s gooooo

congrats man, glad to hear you're ridden of a lingering problem.

4 minutes ago, WhereIsMyMind said:

Verteporfin is a cheap drug, in essence hair loss surgeons would benefit mostly from the fact that people could afford more transplants over their lifespan, so the average guy will have more transplants than usual and also less scarring will attract more customers I think. 

Guessing out the perfect technique through several trials is not cheap though, that will get costly and will take time. Im sure many people here would volunteer to participate in that though lol.

i see... depend on the success and demand, price would rise most likely. i think clinic providing that can offer the option to willing client, and if it is cheap, i'd say many of the people who researched for information on donor availability would take it, especially for lower end norwood people. it won't make much difference for NW 1-3 people maybe, but it'd change the game and world for those unluckier.

4 minutes ago, hairman22 said:

no one goes bald in the donor. So you wont lose all tarnsplanted hair although yo may lose quite a bit later in life

that said who knows what the industry will be like in 10-20 years. Can easily see improvements in BHT & less regrowth in donor possibly

 

OP I would look at Zarev. Worth waiting for him as he will get the most out of donor

if they are in the donor area yes. unless they have DUPA all over. i meant for these donors that was transplanted into the recipient area.

agree on how we have no idea if there are any breakthrough in hair loss industry. hopefully, there will be solution for us.
we have been trying to cure hair loss for decades, with many "possible cure", that for me i'll just take what's there presently, as long as it's worth the risk. for example HT back then was... horrific with total pluggy hairline, but that's all we had. it wasn't really done often because most people don't want the look and risk involved.

on a random note, if i can see the future, rather than seeing when hair loss can be cured, i'd look for a lottery winning number instead 😂

i think as long as you're prepared to lose the transplanted hairs after some time has passed, it's fine to do it. on the bright side, it might never go away. although looking at many of the member or people who shows up and said they lost hair proves otherwise. then again, it might be minority, we don't know.

i thought as long as the scabbing is resolved, hats should be fine? most of the worry on hat is that it might pull the scabs out before it heals, damaging the grafts.

if it's going to be cold, if you're already pass the first 2 week, it should be fine to wear hats/beanies, if anything it might protect them from the sheer cold.

thank you for the advances and application of the medication doc, we appreciate it.

i suppose it comes down to how much verteprofin application would cost to the performance. but i guess rich enough people wouldn't mind even if it only yields like 20% regrowth, as it's a money they are able to spend easily.

Seems pretty okay actually... your hair was basically like vegetation on barren desert on the temples, while there isn't any furthering of the hairline, the density itself although is kind of lacking, it is expected of the usual HT. The empty part seems to be mostly on the middle scalp, but i'm not sure if thats due to the styling.

Also, usually i tell people to best avoid yaman unless very on budget, since there were several people who had bad result. So at least i don't think i'm being biased.

The back crown is looking a ligtle empty though... anyhow, like you planned, a second pass would fix the density problem.

1 hour ago, Baldyboy said:

This seem accurate to me as well.

I’m not crazy about having a full, head of hair. I’ve been going bald for 20 years and just want some more density with a little better hairline.

I also enjoy the buzz look I have but with a better hairline I’d be super happy.

im also 6’4 so no one ever sees my head unless I’m sitting in my cubicle. 
 

I think everyone’s journey and reasons are different. This is what checks the majority of my boxes. I narrowed it down to two and just looking for advice on their. It appears Dr. Gur is the way to go but the exclusive package at Smile is enticing. 
 

 

Then basically its back to the risk ratio. For better reviewed docs, they say the success rate is around 95%. Might be overscored, but i suppose its like 70% chance of good result, 10% of really great one, 15% of somewhere in between decent and less than good, with 5% bad work rate.

Do keep in mind if you do need a repair of a bad work, the cost easily triple/quadrupled. And you have limited hair supply, in which once all used, you cannot do any more transplant since you literally don't have any left.

just look for the mentioned clinic and dr that is mentioned here via search bar.

a lot of people here does exaggerate when we say hair mills will likely botch you, me included. But this is simply just a way of saying of what often happens.
the probability on hair mills might be like this (disclaimer, this is just from the many horror and or success story)

10% = great results! patients are very happy.
50% = okay result, you might or not be overharvested, but currently you are happy, since you have full looking front, probably thinned donor but doesn't look moth eaten
20% = less than desirable, looks kind of patchy, a lot of transection and many grafts died, possible overharvested donor, with your back looking moth eaten
13% = weird and pluggy hairline, looks unnatural if you look more than a few seconds.
7% = very very bad job, a botch.
NB: these are just guesstimates, just to give an image. do not use as a real scientific parameter.

i don't know the technician experience, whether they actually just pick a random 18 y.o desperate people to be technicians, or whatever unprofessionality might go on.

i also don't know if they do keep sterilization etc on the highest level, but many of these clinics ARE clean af. they have dedicated janitor and cleaner, place does usually looks chic and cool, and very beautiful looking. if anything, looks like a 4-5* hotel or luxury places.

i do know that many mills does employ a very strong marketing strategy, bought reviews, while discrediting, deleting, and or threatens bad reviews.
not gonna say which does which, because i don't have any insider info or concrete research on them as proof.

but i do know that many many have their life 'ruined' due to bad works, many fell into depression and spiraled. you can look on these cases here or other places as well.

Don't go to asli tarcan.

Arguably one of the worst mill.

i used to wash them twice daily due to the oiliness, most would say men can wash their hair around once every 2 days.

same reason as you, as my hair is very oily if left alone too long, but now i just run water through them for a while while trying to shake them a little looser so that accumulated oil can be released slightly, and shampoo them at night.

11 hours ago, BeHappy said:

 

You are not wrong, but what's the alternative for someone who doesn't want to be bald? Do nothing and the hair will continue to get worse and you're more bald. Shaving your head makes sure you are completely bald right now and forever basically. SMP is just coloring your head and having a fake buzz cut look which still never lets you actually grow your hair. There aren't any other choices.

A lot of guys come on here saying they finally went for the hair transplant they've been thinking about because they got to the point where they couldn't stand it any longer and felt they had to do something. What if that person got to that same level of hair loss a year earlier? Wouldn't they have felt the same thing a year earlier? What if they got to that level of hair loss 5 years earlier?

 

Hair system, fiber concealer, SMP. but like you said, SMP is "fake hair", but so are most options. so far only very dense packing of HT comes close, while most HT are only an illusion of density. Like how people view plastic faces (plastic surgery) as fakes, technically HT is also one.

Each option have it's drawback, what they meant is that normally under 25 it's a bad idea to do HT, just treat it like how people say "people under 18/21 shoulnd't drink/smoke/drive" etc. most of them are looking at it at the "long term viability", in which would one still be able to have hair until late age.

He can certainly have an HT, but depend on how you look at it, it can range from a bad decision, a decent one, or a good one. Several people said that i don't need one, but i got one anyway. Just be in the know and weight the consequences and risk, compared to the gain.

I think the standard you should base on is of yourself, from what your research shown.

To begin with, we do not have a certain standard of "grafts must be ____", "treatment require ____", "everything should be done by doctor", etc.
Take the member's and forum recommendation with a grain of salt, if you think they are a good fit, you can go forward with it, otherwise you're just going because 'other people said so!'. Do your own research and reach your own decision.

i get your point, but to ascertain them we'll need a standard to begin with. people could say "doctors who are ethical!", but everyone have different opinion on ethics.
i get your sentiments though, the reason at times i say the many forum members are biased is because of what you said, where if it's a hair mill that got a great result, "you got lucky", and if a great clinic have a poor result, "there should be an underlying condition, or bad luck of one in a hundred case". While there are truth to these sentiments, they are not always the case.

your donor is a little thinner than average i think... and you'd probably be NW6... so unless you just want the hairs to be for a decade or two... i guess it's not really a good solution since you don't take finas. if you take finas though, i'd say you're on a better position than me, as i'm still thinning even with the med.