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I see too many contradictions in this thread. While I'm sure the OP appreciates that you now consider it a bad result, I respectfully disagree, your main issue must be getting to the bottom of this bad result. It isn't just a bad result it's @digi23 a person who was decent enough to document their journey on HRN, to help us. The doctors reply does nothing to explain why errors were made in this case and how they will be corrected to ensure they never happen again. Poor yield may be down to physiological reasons(not applicable in this case) but multi's in the hairline and temples, bunches of singles, misaligned grafts - that's poor protocol standards or human error. What is it? The inconsistencies continue, look how resolute your response was to @George Clooney when he pointed out his observations of a patients hair transplant at a recommended clinic. https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/59596-ht-at-eugenix-nw3-2612-grafts-on-24-march-2021-by-dr-priyadarshini-das-mumbai-branch/page/6/ When @digi23 felt attacked. He needed to defend his position. I don't feel someone who has the courage to present their case on a public forum should feel attacked. I think we should applaud the patients that come on here and give their honest opinion. Terms like 'unnecessary negativity' and 'nitpick' share similarities with clinics who try to change a persons perception of reality aka gaslighting. They have no place on a forum here to support patients and prospective patients. Are we to draw the conclusion the only real consistency here, both were an attacks (directly or indirectly) on a recommended clinic? I know these exchanges seldom end well no matter how valid or well presented the concerns. So it's been nice knowing you guys🤣 Who moderates the moderator?

That's a real shame. They are already vulnerable by virtue of their hair loss. It's sad that there are people (hair mills) willing to disfigure someone for a quick buck. Perhaps @Dr Resul Yaman can give us some insight into the position of the Turkish authorities to these hair mills?

Get both doc's to do a side, document your progress and we'll have a result 12 months later🙃

Judging by the popularity of this thread and the number of followers ( plus all the silent followers). There is a substantial commercial opportunity to provide a personalised, high-quality service from Turkey at a realistic price. The 'race to bottom' hair mills may cash in, in the short term, but medical tourists are becoming more informed day by day. It sounds like you are making positive changes with the support of HRN. Just like a soccer manager is only as good as their last game, the same can be said of an HT clinic. Reputations can take a long time to build yet are destroyed much quicker. The scrutiny of results has never been higher. I look forward to seeing the progress.

I believe both these post speak of the need for highly trained staff given the time to do a quality job. Lets remember the status of recommended surgeon shouldn't just rely on payment of subs (important as this is to keep the lights on) but also upholding the values that got them the 'recommended' status in the first place. When you click on the link we are told:- https://hairtransplantnetwork.com/Consult-a-Physician/tips-on-hair-restoration-physicians

Normally the grafts are sorted under magnification, so the person implanting knows which ones are the singles and implants accordingly.

Thats why suggested Melvin should clarify with the clinic. It would be unfair to the clinic if this was an isolated case. It's good to have price options - we just need to know where the corners are cut.

The problem is ... If the budget clinics were upfront and said 'We don't use magnification so you might get multi's in your hairline and/or thin patches where we bunched singles but hey what do you expect for the price!' Instead the website states "He (Dr Yaman) is committed to staying active in this field through ongoing education and incorporating the latest advances into his practice." Loupes were first used is 1876🙃

I believe they are a recommend clinic on here? I think @Melvin- Moderator should clarify if and how magnification is used?

I'm with Joe on this one.

Your donor looks great and the recipient is progress nicely. Cheers for the update.

The OP has put his cards on the table - he wants his money back

Good call - It's a poignant time for all us with what is going on in the world. "I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire

Come on @JoeMan you don't really think a patient sits there like a lemon and has no input in the hair line. Much less someone who has already had the experience of a failed transplant and done extensive research. Remember your design consultation?

Agreed!

This... Hairlines are the trickiest element of a HT. To think that you walk out of a shady clinic with a poor HT but somehow have a winning hairline is fanciful.

The OP told us Now what's the chance of a poor transplant from a shady clinic but they aced the hairline😊

It's important because it is what he told us in his own word We only have the information provided as we weren't present during the consultation/pre-procedure. I believe in his own words it debunks the idea that there was some miscalculation. The clinic were working within the constraints of the donor. No doubt this was a factor in the other doctors all estimating a similar number of grafts. Lets remember this is a repair. I previously detailed (see below), during a repair a clinic may/will need to reconstruct a new hairline. If we are to be balanced it would be disrespectful to accuse an experience doctor/clinic of just wasting grafts lowering a hairline for no reason. They were the one looking at the hairline, in person and making their judgement based on difficult case.

You contend that Eugenix miscalculated the number of grafts. But you told us.... So after your extensive research all the doctors were quoting you a similar number of grafts to the number you received at Eugenix. Did they all miscalculate? all 8-9 different doctors?

What concerns me about your presentation is the inconsistencies. You told the forum at the start(1st post) Then find out... Then you tell us.... You have done a complete 180. Any donor that will not support any more than 2500 has been significantly depleted and is far from 'dense and thick'.

Another vote for once in the morning. If you use it at night the solution will get transferred to your pillow and then to your face. You might grow 5 more hairs but look 5 years older 😊

I just checked the one I use. Ketoconazole is the active ingredient. Mine is 20mg, which is where the 2% comes from. I've noticed a big difference is price for the Nizoral product, so worth shopping around and buying multiple units at discount.

A hair transplant can be a life changing event, many times for the good but sometimes the bad. Verify all the information you are given. We have never been better equipped to check clinics and their results. Forums such HRN are a great resource. Caveat emptor - 'let the buyer beware' Take a look at my recent post regard checking the documents you may be asked to sign.

Very sensible. You may not have followed all of this thread but @Melvin- Moderator discovered the OP declined to sign one of the documents. It transpires it may have been a Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA). We await Melvin reporting back to the community and to see a copy of the said document. General advice to anyone, you should always be provided in advance, documents you are required to sign. With all the stress and strain of a long haul flight the sights and sounds of a foreign country, you don't want to try to navigate the legalise of documents you have never seen before. In many cases, people travel from around the world, and the document may not be written in your mother tongue. In summary, if a clinic doesn't automatically send you the documents, request them, check them and make sure you understand what you are signing.

I'm no authority on the use of beard hair, so I defer to those with more experience. Beard hair, like any other donor area, is a limited resource. How much supply of beard hair is available after removing 300 grafts? Even if you have an additional supply of beard hair it doesn't follow that you can free up scalp hair to go in the front while using beard in the mid-scalp. The integration of scalp hair and beard hair allows the illusion to work. Use less scalp hair in the midscalp and things turn odd very quickly. Not only is beard hair a problem for the reasons above, but it is also has poor coverage. Unlike scalp hair, you don't get 3 and 4 hair grafts. Maybe I know more about beard hair than I thought😊