NARMAK

2 hours ago, Mike10 said:

you're not in a good spot for HT if you have to count on beard

Perhaps not as strong but it's something a person that isn't wanting to take Finasteride etc. can fall back on to help assist them and is an option to help at least. 

Personally i'm on medication and keeping things in my back pocket if i need like Oral/Topical Minoxodil but a HT is honestly the last thing you do want to go for with our finite donor supply and still all the possible things that can go wrong even using a good clinic. 

39 minutes ago, bigmistake said:

@NARMAK You mentioned that you had a few doubles in the hairline. Based on your pictures I can only see one or two. Can you please post some higher quality pics ? 

Hey bud, i will be posting an update soon. I got a new phone but still haven't set it up yet and it should have a slightly better camera, but hair being so fine and camera lenses being what they are, it's been a little more tough to try capture exactly what i mean sometimes and see in person. By no means at all do i want anybody to think that this hairline looks anything close to a hair mills mess at all. It's just that considering magnification is supposed to be in use and the principles of having 2-3 rows of singles beforehand, something went a little awry in some areas. I guess this is just an example of the limitations we have when we have to use techs as well though i guess. 

31 minutes ago, Mike10 said:

I would agree that is strongly recommended in such a case to wait out the 12 monts. But even then the  patient would be very reliant on Finansteride. While it is very possible that he has to drop it at some point. Not a great candidate IMO. Best HT candidates are those over age 40 with limited frontal loss who are not dependant on medication. 

I mean, OP is over 40 now and looks to have a solid beard for possible donor. So if he went with a very conservative hairline, i think he could get solid results. Although him being on Finasteride again and staying on it would very likely help with the longevity of the HT. 

I think that's a rather mostly undiscussed point that some people do not consider. Hair loss isn't also linear and for some has actually been fine for a while, then suddenly accelerated later in life, going against the wisdom some say that it slows.

I was born in the UK but i am of Pakistani descent. You'd thinking having been born in the UK and holding a full British passport would make things a breeze, but unfortunately India has a very poor process of many, many hoops to jump through in addition to the regular Visa process and you have to wait months MINIMUM for a decision and even then, i had to go chasing them for a response. 

It's actually a miracle i managed to go to Eugenix at all and tbh, the Visa issues i had unfortunately are truly a nail in the coffin it seems for me ever being able to return. 

I was fortunate i could rebook by my flights during more flexible COVID-19 policies of the airline, but give the fact that you cannot book a flight and be guaranteed a Visa in time as anybody that has Pakistani heritage, its not even worth the effort with how much more money you will end up having to spend. The flights i booked went up double the price almost and if i had to apply for a Visa to India, they tell me to put my expected date of travel, then sign documents that say i have to give them a MINIMUM of 45 working days to process. If i even get past that point, after only chasing them through multiple emails did i get told "Yes, we can give you a Visa to India but it will only be valid for 30 days" or something very small in terms of a window to enter and leave. Usually in most places you can get a Visa that's valid for entry for months and until you first enter the country. India unfortunately has an extremely backwards approach in the UK and if you have any Pakistani heritage, it's probably best to go elsewhere. 

If it wasn’t for the temple points and Eugenix matching the criteria of skill and my budget, i would probably have given up and gone anywhere else. Unfortunately the politics are out of the hands of the clinic, and in the eyes of the government it only affects a minority of people, and because it only affects a minority of people, most don't care. They'll say it's unfair that's the case, but swiftly move on. So there's never any sustained pressure to change such a blatantly discriminatory policy. 

9 hours ago, Khanate said:

Hello all,

Joined today , after lurking for 3-4 days , Attached are my photos , iam 44 ,have been losing hairs since i was 20 . i tried Finastride as soon as i discovered hairloss for couple of years , stopped using it after i got married , didn't really cared about hair much for next 2 decades .

Now that most of my front part of the hair and hairline have disappeared ,want to explore options available to me . Is it too far gone or too late? Iam looking at options in india or turkey . Suggestions appreciated.

 

 

I personally don't understand how alongside these photos they classed you as Grade 3A at Eugenix tbh. It's good you've resumed Finasteride as it should help but i would probably strongly advise you wait 12 months if you can because a lot of the native hair in the area to be transplanted look weak atm and if you allow Finasteride to help strengthen them up, there's a good chance that you may keep them rather than lose them permanently with shock loss etc. 

Also, if you don't mind me asking. What was it that led to you stopping Finasteride all those years ago? It doesn't seem like you had side affects. 

3 minutes ago, Dillpickle123 said:

Yes that’s why they need to get the finest hairs possible for the temple such as the nape area, but i assume when it’s such a massive restoration of the temples there’s not enough for those soft hairs that they have to use thicker single hairs then the preferred nape hairs 

The one example i saw, it wasn't even a full example where the hairs looked more thicker which is what surprised me. There was of course an obvious colour shift as well where the hair was white natively and darker from the donor. 

Ultimately i feel like losing your temple points like i did entirely, is probably one of the worst things to deal with in terms of reconstruction. At least with the hairline and midscalp, there's much more obvious and easier techniques to rebuild it. 

What's worse for me i guess is that even if i started medication at 18, my temple points were basically washed out and gone. Although knowing what i do now, i genuinely wouldn't mind a trip back in time to when i was around that age and start over lol. 

2 minutes ago, Dillpickle123 said:

I would choose cuoto because has a lot of results with my hair type, but you can go wrong with the big 3 in Belgium either, I got a tiny bit of temple work for my transplant and am eager to see how it turns out the directions of the hair looks spot on and Ik we got a much of nape hair for that and the hairline so I’m hoping for a great result

I do genuinely think it's again demonstrating that it genuinely is a case by case basis on who is best for your situation and budgets etc. rather than just trying to objectively say one is better than the other when there's a lot of artistic elements involved too and people may lean to one over the other. 

I got curious and went back to look at the Dr Cuoto temple points video again. Now, i am fortunate to be able to watch the video below on a TV and when i did, i did notice something not wrong per se, but showing just how difficult even for the most elite temple points can be. There's people in the compilation where the hair looks thicker and almost dare i say pluggy at times despite being angled almost exactly how it should when you see it with the actual native hair. 

I think this again further goes to show how hair types play a huge factor in things. 

Personally i do think that even when Unlimited Grafts become a thing, the different hair types needed like for the main hairline, soft singles etc. will mean we have to have like 3-4 different types of grafts for patients. That seems like a huge technical challenge. 

https://youtu.be/FyYjCJTZz9E

30 minutes ago, kwestmke said:

If you had to do a transplant working on the hairline and temples for roughly 2000 grafts max, who would you choose between Bisanga and Couto?

 

While both have great reputations, I'm not sure but my take is that Couto's results are way more impressive and seems more skilled.

Bisanga is clearly one of the best as well and I'm inclined to go with him because Couto's wait is just too long, but im not sure

Who would you choose of the two?

 

Personally i think i would go with Dr Cuoto and that's in no way, shape or form a knock against Dr Bisanga because i think he's an amazing elite surgeon, but my reasons are perhaps more selfish to me.

I needed a complete temple point rebuild and unfortunately i do not see Dr Bisanga have as many examples of this compared to Dr Cuoto even on YouTube. Dr Cuoto has some amazing restorations and i love the design of them and was mostly where i took my inspiration from too watching some of his videos of results focusing just on temple points. 

However, neither Dr was in my budget range when i did get my HT done and ultimately Eugenix was best for me and my case. I think even if i was to go to enquire with Dr Bisanga or Dr Cuoto, even if i could wait the times they have, and i wanted to go for a refinement of my hairline and temples with maybe up to 1k to 1500 grafts, i am not sure i would still be able to budget for them.

5 hours ago, Abbey said:

Hello, I recently had a hair transplant in Turkey, unfortunately, the procedure left me with unbearable pain to one side of my scalp just above the ear. It is a severe electric shooting type pain that runs through the side of my head.  It was ok for the first week, but then I started to experience shooting pains. The pain is unbearable and it is affecting my work and sleep. I am on constant pain killers that do ease the pain, but I cannot live on pills. I’m guessing it is nerve damage. So for people that think that hair transplant is straight toward, is not true.  Be careful out there and do your due diligence before seeing a doctor.    I hope this pain goes away.

I will update. Thanks 

Sorry to hear about this. 

If i can ask, does this pain feel like the implanters they used to insert the hair or almost a needle like feeling stabbing into your head? 

3 minutes ago, SLA said:

My bet is on Stemson. Seems like the most viable model based on my limited science background and they have received funding from Abbvie, a major US pharma company. 

Likely at least 10 years away.

I actually think its really great Melvin did manage to get the great result he has with the current limitations of a finite donor area and careful management for his subsequent procedures but i think we can all agree, that the #1 use sadly for these grafts will be for repairs. I have no doubts about that at all. Hair transplants have exploded in popularity and hair mills luring in vulnerable guys is creating a ticking time bomb of repair cases in waiting. 

I think we're going to see some amazing redemption stories but the fact we even got to that point is ridiculous. 

Sites like this and genuine patient reviews have to be at the forefront of educating potential hair mill victims but it's definitely an uphill battle. 

I definitely think there's a noticeable difference in the 0.4 C and T skin pigmentation that shows an appreciable difference for scars being less visible, but i do notice some very subtle areas of actual hair coming through a few of the scars and that's just in my eyes an extremely big bonus for almost SMP like effect. However, if those hairs ever became fully terminal, that would still be amazing even if its a rare and lucky bonus. 

If Verteporfin can reduce scarring and improve pigmentation, i wonder how it might be directly compared with that A Cell treatment that's already FDA approved and which might potentially be considered as a better priced additional treatment. 

25 minutes ago, SLA said:

Haha...Me to the surgeon after clone grafts become a reality- "Ah, yes, I'll order up 30,000 grafts, I think that should about do it :)"

Lol. Honestly, just speaking for myself  i would get my donor area completely restocked from whatever prior procedures i had and i'd probably go for native density and maybe lower and refine the hairline. When i say lower, i mean by adding a very slight widows peak and just adding a few more singles at the front to bulk the density out to a more native density. 

Ooh, to dream. That said, probably can't afford it now and by the time it becomes available in 20-30 years, i'll probably stay with what i have lol

18 minutes ago, finchy said:

is hair cloning actually a thing or going to be a thing? Asking for mate 🤣

Stemson are making good headway it seems at trying to bring them to market but it's still early with human trials yet to be done i believe and if it does come to market, i am curious if they will use the first 5-10 years to be really expensive and then mass market it. Hell, if i had to guess, hair mills in Turkey and worldwide are having wet dreams about it but i genuinely want to know how elite surgeons like Dr Bisanga, Sethi, Cuoto etc. would use them

4 hours ago, Tope said:

Thanks. I didnt do any deposit to them. Ill hold on till I get to a more detailed conclusion. I booked my flights already and had Cappadocia tour before the planned surgery.  Till then Ill keep reading here. 

Not paying them a deposit is good. You can back out and do your research more properly with this site and really figure out what you need. You can always use the flights and whatnot as an opportunity to have a holiday in Turkey and if there is any surgeons you really want to see there, they might be able to accommodate you for an in person consultation if you explain what happened leading you to Turkey. 

Personally i like to ask people whether they're taking medication like Finasteride and/or Minoxidil to stop further hair loss and if you can share pictures showing your current situation. People will usually help guide you and help you educate yourself to be much more aware of what a good hair transplant is. To be knowledgeable about hair transplants is to be forearmed against Hair Mills and bad clinics or practices in general. 

24 minutes ago, HelpfulFriend said:

Hello everyone,

As of today, I have now finally completed my first HT.

Firstly, I just wanted to thank this forum. It was through this forum that I found Dr Konior, and let me just say, he lives up to his reputation.

I have been corresponding with him since 2020, and we've had a couple of reschedules due to covid. I have pretty much drained his life with the amount of questions, worries, and just hair-fretting in general. Yet, he replies personally to each concern, and at length, and ultimately just takes the times out of his day to make sure his patients are of piece of mind. He is the most accessable and approachable surgeon I have ever interacted with, and it's not even close.

I travelled from Australia (big hike), and arrived yesterday afternoon. 

Day of the surgery:

I arrived at the office at 6:30, and was met by the lovely Karen (who also helped me a TONNE during the pre-surger comms). All of his staff are welcoming, funny, and just make you feel at home. It's relaxed, but extremely professional. People always talk about what a great team they all are, and that's the absolutely truth. 

Dr K spent the first portion of the day discussing my goals, his philosophy, and we just had a general chat about life. To put it bluntly for fellow Aussies, he's just an awesome bloke. 

I am 31, and my family has EXTENSIVE balding in the family. As such, I suggested a very conservative approach, with the temples and sides filled in, but no lowering of the hairline. I have also been on fin and oral minoxidil for 6 years, and this has held me at baseline. Dr K and I agreed, that if I am still at baseline in a few years, I will return to lower the hairline.

The reason he preaches conservative approaches, is ultimately because he is all about future-proofing your loss. And his utilisation of grafts is a testament to this.

The surgery itself was fine, the only painful part was the donor numbing. I have both of my legs and chest tattood, and this was even painful for me. It doesn't last very long, though, so it was fine.

You are given Valiums to relax, and due to jet lag, I slept for a great deal. Before I knew it, it was 4pm and I was finished.

The thing that drew me to Dr K, was not only his amazing results, but his bedside manner, how personable he is, and how much he seems to care. And he really does, it's very comforting to have a surgeon that truly instills trust in you prior to an operation.

I know my procedure was relatively small, but the recessed corners had been bothering me for a long time. Every single day, always wearing my hair super long, etc. One plus, is that he said my donor is excellent, so I think the meds are doing their trick (at least for now).

I've attaches some pics, and will upload some donor photos once the dressing comes off. There's also a pic prior to surgery, which shows in full view how far back my hair was getting. Feel free to shoot me a message or comment with any questions. I also haven't got the breakdown of grafts, but I think if was approx 1200, as that's what we agreed upon.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for sharing your story and look forwards to your results. 

I think just looking at your before picture there at the end, you definitely made a smart choice and i think just the new framing the temporal areas being more closed off will make you feel significantly better about how it looks. 

In some ways, my hair was very much like yours but not having any temple points on mine probably made it look worse. They do definitely help frame the face and the fact yours still look solid should mean you get a great looking result sooner rather than later too with the temporal closure. 

Good luck with your post-op healing and stick indoors and heal up for as long as you can before you travel. You always want to minimise any potential risk till the grafts anchor within the first 10 days. 

5 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Haven’t had time to film a full update. Here are some crown shots. I’m exposing the crown rather than combing it back. This shows the true density. Very happy thus far at 10 months. I actually have a whorl now.

 

To anybody that didn't know you at all, it would just be seen as a bit of thinning and chalk it down to natural aging or lighting. The fact that it looks like that right now and is a complete rebuild of the crown is testament to how damn natural its looking. The crown may be seen as a black hole, but that's a damn fine use of grafts for coverage you got Melvin. 

As for the hair greed, i genuinely can't wait to see what everybody does once clone grafts become a thing lol. 

I personally think you've got a great result coming along with further maturity and refinement to come. It's looking on track for a stellar looking crown rebuild. 

1 hour ago, Blane123 said:

Some times surgeons may transplant a few grafts under the hairline like here:

Why is that?

If it's that line of evenly spaced out red dots, i don't think they're grafts, but anaesthetic spots where they injected. 

The other thing about the actual hairline is the grafts at the bottom look like they're trying to create an irregular hairline but it seems too regular.

45 minutes ago, Blane123 said:

I am getting a hair transplant this Saturday with Dr. Mwamba.  I am very nervous. Would welcome it if you guys could share with me some things that I should know before my transplant.

Dr Mwamba is a solid doctor so you can feel assured you're in good hands. I think the above post covered a lot of great ground, BUT i wanted to touch on some points that didn't and helped me. 

When it comes to post-op sleeping, if you can, get a chunky memory foam pillow to wear and if possible, there's like a single seater/recliner, use that to sleep in for the first week or so till your head wash, it can pass enough time for hair to fully anchor and give you more confidence you did your bit. 

I personally had concerns about touching my grafts whilst sleeping, so i recommend to basically buy a slightly oversized stretch cotton zip hoody, so that you can zip it up and then slip your arms out of the sleeves and wrap them around your torso. 

Overall, i would personally say focus on recovery and being comfortable. Keep travel to a minimum and whenever possible, try get food to come to you. I say that as a person who tried so hard to never hit his head and ended up bumping it post-op to my utter horror. I did lose at least one graft i know of, but like above, don't dwell on it. One won't break your HT. 

The anaesthetic part of the HT for me was painful, because around the temporal areas the skin for me seemed more sensitive and generally i think most say its the most painful part of the operation and do not be shy to tell the team whenever you need a top up because it's better for you to be comfortable and not in constant pain. You will feel them working but it shouldn't hurt you i guess with anaesthetic. 

Also, i don't see this mentioned often. Phantom Pain. The sensation of the implanter pens etc. poking into your skin was something i experienced and it does last a little while. Up to maybe a few weeks to a month. Also, pimples in the donor area. This has become better after 3+ months, but it was a bit unexpected. 

The consent part to share your pictures is reason enough for me not to do it, but i wonder how they would look if you cropped your face out of the pictures and used only your eyebrows and whatnot. 

Also, i think having looked back on this, how it could lull you into a slightly false sense of expectations on the hairline design and density you might end up expecting. 

I think a better thing is for people to become familiar with hair transplant limitations and then design elements because i can imagine so many 20 something year old guys going Norwood 0 with their Norwood 4+ starting points. 

5 hours ago, dolev1591 said:

Hi,

i have a question, im interested in hair

transplant and saw that a lot of time people say that this is an illusion of density, i get why in cases of nw4 nw5,

but for nw2-3 that only needs work in the temples(me) if the doctor reaches 50-60 grafts per cm2, then why is it still look way less dense the other parts of the top the head(considering that donor is 60-80 ,so other parts of the front that are also thinner then the donor ,look much fuller)

ty

Regardless of whether you are a Norwood 2 or Norwood 6, the principles of a hair transplant generally should be geared to maximum graft survival. If you put 100 grafts per cm/2 to match your native density but you lose 30% of them because they competed for blood supply, then you don't regrow those hair. They're lost and gone forever. Instead if you say went for 50 grafts cm/2, you may only lose say 2-8%, that's significantly less grafts wasted and you can then go for a 2nd hair transplant to add density because the hair from the previous transplant now should have a proper blood supply established and not be competing with other grafts just transplanted. 

Some cases have shown you can transplant almost 100% of native density and have a higher survival rate, but those are exceptions not the rule imo. 

I'm a Norwood 2 pre-HT and even then, they didn't pack it at the same native density i had, but that's probably better because it didn't waste grafts, it helped me establish the design of my new hairline and i am now able to go for a 2nd procedure do add density and refinement. Most people think they only need one procedure and that's it, i'm done. They can maybe be happy, but if you're seeking native density, then you are better going for two procedures within 2-3 years than 1 massive dense packing. 

3 hours ago, KHT2 said:

Hello,

I've seen that most people shed their transplanted hairs between 2 and 6 weeks post-op. I am 7 weeks post-op, I think I still have some transplanted hairs and I am still shedding every day. Is that normal? And at what stage does the shedding usually stop? 

Thanks! 

I personally feel you can shed up until 3 months post-op. Usually it will have shedded the most within 8-12 weeks and then whatever didn't shed tends to grow but it doesn't guarantee it might not shed a bit later on. 

The 2nd and 3rd month are affectionately referred to as the "Ugly Duckling Phase" for this very reason where the majority of the hair due to shed will have be. 

1 hour ago, ray35 said:

Thanks Narmak, I'll post some pictures in a bit. It's all primarily right at the hairline and not of great width. I see the excellent work and result you had done and imagine if you took about a pencil width of those grafts out at the hairline on one side, kinda spotty... that's kinda where I am... so the 1000 estimate is to fill there. It's like a 1/3 of what you needed but wanted to error on the side of more for expectations. I'll get some pictures posted though at some point.

I should note that while I'm sold on Eugenix I am looking at a couple other options that are a bit closer and appear to do exceptional work. So now I'm back to evaluating and combing through results.  Oh the process, haha! Thanks again for the response.

Honestly, it's good to have options. Personally i didn't feel i had the budget for what i needed doing with a full temple point restoration to go with basically anybody other than Eugenix because of their wealth of experience doing them and quality results, but if your budget van stretch to it, you can always look around and never go wrong with trusted doctors with a long history of results. 

India was really difficult for me to personally get my Visa and plan proper flights. I genuinely got lucky there was Covid based rules to help me rebook without huge penalty and if i had to do a trip there for the future, although Eugenix were great and went above and beyond in their hospitality, the political issues mean it probably won't be something i'd find going back for a 2nd procedure like Armen or John did. It's unfortunate really because they are a good outfit all around from my experience. Small things here and there i would have changed. Some down to me, some i should have pushed them to make sure they did as agreed to beforehand. Overall though, i would have gone with them again with very slight tweaks. 

3 minutes ago, Dillpickle123 said:

I fully agree!, and yes today me and dr mwamba went over the density with a proscope and found it to be anywhere between 60-70 grafts per sq cm along the hairline gradually lessening to 45 at the point of connection to the native hair, I’ve been on this forum long enough to expect that one pass won’t do it but it will at least get the shape I want I do t have a problem going for a touch up if necessary, there’s no major miniaturing grafts on my scalp there’s a few he told me to start using rogaine again to revive some of the follicles that look like they are thinning luckily there aren’t any that have fallen out he had a funny way of describing how it work because as he described it in an interesting contextual  way, he said “think of finasteride is like a medicine keeping u alive, but u will not get stronger more muscles if u don’t u a medicine like minoxidil” 😂 I understood 

anyways I’m hoping for a great result and hopefully a not too bad ugly duckling phase but as a nw 2 it shouldn’t be too bad unless native shock loss occurs but I’m on fin and the hairs around looked very strong 

Honestly, some people just have a certain way of explaining lol. Yeah, i think starting as a Norwood 2, hopefully the Dr nailed the right balance for a first pass. I'm only at 6 months so unfair to judge a final result yet but i generally under most lighting find it looks from a metre or more very natural and dense looking enough to most people. I don't use hair fibres, but i can easily see how they could assist me if needed. 

4 minutes ago, Dillpickle123 said:

As for the punch he used 0.9 punch but as u stated perhaps my dr switched punch for the singles, I can already tell this is miles different then a hairmill the hairline and temple points are all singles in the perfect direction I cannot wait for this to start growing in!! 

Yeah, the care and attention he's shown you is definitely miles above and beyond a hair mill. I suppose on one hand, for the price it's also something you expect to receive. The hair mills though lure people in with flashy bait of cars and hotels looking 5*. I would rather the money on a doctor and tech team paying 5* attention to my hair lol. 

I do think you'll have a solid result. Just hunker down for the long haul bud, update us with monthly progress pictures and be candid about your experiences. It helps people genuinely get a better idea of how it could feel with them too. 

I believe this could be a combination of DHT related affect on the hair loss and the progressive nature of DHT on the follicles despite being on Finasteride. After all, we only ever get told Finasteride slows hair loss down as much as possible, it doesn't stop it except for a very few lucky people. 

Perhaps switching from oral to topical Finasteride could exacerbate this issue. You may also need to consider that you may be at a point where Minoxodil may become more effective for you to also use. That said, has there been perhaps a general change in your life such as stress, perhaps a change in diet etc. as all these things could combine to impact you as well. 

3 hours ago, flashy said:

@Gavinlee@NARMAK

thanks for asking about the status.

So I did a lot of research the last weeks and talked with different clinics.

What I can say is that I will stay away from Turkey. If I would pay ~5.000 € in Turkey and the result is bad then the 5k € would be a waste of money. And yes, the other clinics in Europe are much more expensive. I got offerings from UK and Belgium for around 10.000 - 18.000 €. 

I would much rather have doctors from Europe, but my budget simply does not allow it. I don't suffer that much psychologically from my hair loss. Friends and family advise me against surgery to support myself and my ego.
However, I am still waiting for offers from Spain and Portugal. Eugenix really does not make a bad impression but maybe instead of a hair transplant I should rather pay for a gym

So I am still very unsure myself. The trigger for my research is possibly a divorce. I make myself with scarce 40 years again more thoughts about the appearance of myself. But whether it is worth it? Whether my ego needs to be strengthened so? I don't know.

Sorry to hear about the marriage issues but don't let them make you rush into a lifelong decision with consequence. 

It's better to save up and use medications like Finasteride to preserve what you have in terms of hair but i would recommend also maybe thinking about other areas of your life you do want to make an improvement in because like the gym, it can help in more than just physical appearance but your mental well being. 

I personally would say your pictures show a more advanced grade of hair loss but not something that can't be overcome with the right plan and right surgeons. However, your donor hair is even more finite and valuable as a result of the greater loss and need to get better framing. So i recommended that you research carefully and realise that although things could be tough, it's better to be slow and steady in this choice. Fast and reckless will lead to more problems. 

3 hours ago, Dillpickle123 said:

Thank you! The prices I paid were the Brussels prices it would’ve cost me quite a bit more for US prices, it is 3 euros completely shaven and 4 euros where they just shave the donor they don’t touch the top at all I went with this option because my hairloss isn’t extensive and I should look pretty normal i a week or so it’ll hide the ugly duckling stage well too, what density do you think you got in the hairline? 
 

 

I honestly do not know, it was never mentioned with a specific number but i did ask Dr Das to try and dense pack a bit more into the areas than the usual 35-40 Eugenix tend to quote. Because they used a bigger punch size of 0.9mm from what i was told, i think that could affect how densely packed they would go and i'm still waiting for things for the next 6 months but the density seems a little lighter depending on the lighting i'm under. So i'm going to try capture that for my 6 months update soon. 

3 hours ago, Dillpickle123 said:

I remember reading your thread your results is gonna look good we went for a Similar hairline design too 

I think the result at the 12-18 month mark should fingers crossed look solid. I just think again back to when i was going to get it done and people say about how a first HT is about establishing things and usually a smaller second pass is needed for refinement and density. So that's probably what i'm getting a sense of but i won't make a final judgement. 

The most important thing in the early stages is to trust the process, stay the course and be prepared for the psychological battle in the first 4 months as you go through the Ugly Duckling phase and naturally get doubts about growth too when you look in the mirror etc. 

At 5-6 months, things should be looking on the upward trend and you could hopefully feel more confident but from personal experience, i also like to stay cautious and manage expectations. I definitely think the framing to my face with the new hairline is night/day and some people have commented i look younger than my age now to them who actually never saw me before my HT, so it gives me confidence that the framing has definitely worked. Temple points apparently take longer because they use thinner  slower growing hair that's slightly less pigmented so i'm a few months behind the frontal hairline, but since you only got a smaller top up whereas mine was a full rebuild, yours should blend better a lot earlier.