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9 minutes ago, Doron Harati said:

Need also sides head donor photos and beard face, neck photos

Thanks 

I have added

15 minutes ago, Doron Harati said:

Temporal peaks need only single grafts with correct hair angles, it seems you have NW6 pattern, need more photos especially of your donor to estimate your case, you for sure need 2 procedures.

This is one example of temporal peaks result by Dr. Maras, this paitent is associate of mine, therefore I shot the picture result from right.

I have added photo  for my donor 

What is your feedback

2 hours ago, Gatsby said:

It's very hard to see what your donor is like from those photos. You actually have temporal points, again going by those photos. What are your goals? do you want total coverage or just the frontal third? Are you taking any medication to try and stabilize your hair loss? All the best!

I have added three photo for my donor

My goal is full coverage with gradient dentist from the front to the crown I think I have below average donor area

I am planning for my first surgery to restore natural soft hairline but I want to know from you  are my temporal sides peaks  good and does not need restoration or need to restore along with my hairline? 

Because this will affect my decision to pick the doctor as some doctors are good in the hairline but when  come to reconstruct temporal  peaks they do not sound. 

As well who are the best doctors to restore natural temporal peak fit with face? 

Edit: I have added a photo for my donor

2 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

Someone more knowledgeable can correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not such a great idea. 

Body hair is best thought of as a "supplement" to your scalps donor hair. If you only use body hair it will end up looking really funky on your head as it wont look like normal scalp hair.

Body hair  after transplanting in the scalp with years after some cycles take the charterestics of scalp hair. Also body usually used in the mid scalp and crown not in the frontal

Hi community

I am planning to do a mega session of BHT to cover the mid scalp and crown. For the time being  I do not intend to use any donor scalp to save them to restore the frontal area as my age is 34 and I may continue hair loss in the future. I share my photo for different body parts

beard

chest

shoulder 

lower arm

Leg

 Could you please tell me are all of these body sources are viable for me and can be used  for BHT?

and how many grafts can i get from each  body source to account for the total body grafts that I have so that I can set my plan for now and future? 

2 hours ago, Giddylot said:

Hey, its thick and straight.

 

The thing is, does it last long like the donor area? Are there any research?

You have a good chest and  you can use it. You should search and pick a doctor who specialized in BHT to do it

Definitely if you have a good chest hair. Can you share a photo for your chest

On 9/16/2022 at 10:08 PM, Dr. Patrick Mwamba said:

LET ME TALK NOW ABOUT TIME OUT OF THE BODY FOR GRAFTS IN HAIR TRANSPLANT SURGERY .

STUDIES MADE BY DR BEEHNER .

A GRAFT LEFT OUTSIDE THE BODY , AT FREE HAIR , WILL BE DESTROYED IN LESS THAN ONE ,MINUTE .

IN A CHILLED SALINE SOLUTION  ( THE MAJORITY OF CLINIC IN THIS INDUSTRY ) , THE GROWTH RATE WAS ABOVE 90% , AFTER 6 HOURS .

BEYOND 6 HOURS , WE STARTED  TO NOTICE DECREASE IN GROWTH RATE .

DR COOLEY DID SOME EXPERIENCE WITH GRAFTS KEPT IN HYPOTHERMOSOL AND THE SURVIVAL RATE 24H LATER WAS ABOVE 90%.

THAT'S WHY , I AM USING IN MY PRACTICE A COMBINATION OF HYPOTHERMOSOL AND ATP IN MY PRACTICE TO AVOID TIME OUTOF THE BODY LIMITS.

SALINE SOLUTION COSTS LESS THAN 5 USD A BOTTLE .

HYPOTHERMOSOL COST 120USD A BOTTLE OF 20ML 

ATP COST AROUND 50 USD FOR A BOTTLE OF 10ML .

A LOT OF DOCTORS FEELS LIKE IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO USE THIS EXPENSIVE SOLUTION .

I BELIEVE THAT EVERY DETAILS COUNT ESPECIALLY IN A FIELD LIKE HTS WHERE DETAILS MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE FINAL OUTCOME .

 

What is the percent/concentration of each solution  HYPOTHERMOSOL and ATP to each other to make your customized solution  ? 

Any photos update? 

3 hours ago, Etownone said:

I think I will show before and after pics this time.   

Dr Mwamba gives a discount if you let him use your before and after pics on his website.    I took the discount.   

Could you tell me the fue price of Dr mwamba before and after discount

7 hours ago, Gatsby said:

I've seen a few cases of body hair transplants and I was in communication with a guy on YouTube who had a body hair transplant to his scalp and it looked very bad. By bad I just mean very sparse and even when he kept it short the hair just didn't behave the way scalp hair that short does. He had many body graft surgeries. It could be down to the fact that the surgeon was unskilled in this area and the yield was just low every time? One important thing to remember is the different anagen phases. Scalp hair stays in this phase from anywhere from 2-8 years, beard hair 2 months - 1 year and body hair 1-6 months. At any stage in the cycle you could have a real mismatch of growth and appearance regardless of how many grafts you've had transplanted. This is why I am keen for Melvin to ask Dr Pradeep does recipient dominance exist and if so to what extent? I have heard so many differing stories on just this one subject over the years.

I wish if Melvin can do interview with  Dr Umar in us about all our concerns of bht. He done a lot of bhts  using different body sources so he is the best one who can answer based on the real cases he had. 

2 hours ago, tripleg said:

Thank you very much Melvin for asking Dr. Bisanga about verteporfin. It’s at the 45:50 mark in this interview:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CXoq33GP9Ca/

Here is what was said:

Dr. Bisanga: “I heard about it, I didn’t really dive into it because we just had a big global hair loss summit where even people in research were not really talking about it. There are some things that have been done on mice and they are kind of promising, but the problem is [on mice it takes 20 days to get full growth]… then you have to translate what is in the mice to humans - that is why we’re still talking about hair multiplication even today - is because that transition from the lab rat to human is not always that easy because we’re not rats, we don’t have the same physiology. That’s why I say: There is a lot of hype, there are things probably in the pipeline, but we need to make sure, to let researchers finish the process, to do all the steps… To do trials in humans, but we’re not there yet.”

Melvin: “I’ll be honest, I don’t think unlimited donor is gonna happen in our lifetime.”

Dr. Bisanga: “Nothing is unlimited. Our heart is not unlimited - it has a certain number of heartbeats. Our brain cells… We need to get away in the hair industry from thinking that we’re going to give people their hair back completely. People need to be realistic.”

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First let me say that I hate hype and sort of cringed when I typed the words “unlimited donor” in the title of this thread, but I wanted to draw attention to this possibility. I think many of us here are aware of the various promising treatments that never materialized (not to mention all the scams). I myself am borderline cynical when I hear about the next great thing in hair loss. I think any veteran of the hair loss industry is wise to have that as their default stance. So I fully appreciate Dr. Bisanga’s reasoning.

Dr. Bisanga’s answer was sort of what I expected. First he said he’d heard of it, but didn’t look at it in detail. But this is exactly what we are asking the doctors to do: take a closer look, please! So what is Dr. Bisanga waiting for? He’s waiting for researchers to complete their studies. This can take another 5-10 years or it may never happen due to lack of funding, lack of interest, better opportunities and any number of reasons really. We could sit on an effective treatment for years waiting for trials.

Digression: If you’ve studied the history of science you may be aware that progress doesn’t alway go from research to practice. It goes the other way around too. Sometimes enterprising practitioners start experimenting and getting some initial success and later scientists come along and help improve the process. The steam engine, for example was not invented by scientists, it was invented by engineers and the science was worked out afterwards. Believe it or not, we still don’t fully understand how bicycles work! (https://youtu.be/9cNmUNHSBac?t=573)!

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Back to verteporfin though.

Should doctors really be trying it out an unproven treatment? Normally no, but verteporfin is an FDA approved medication with 20 years of use by ophthalmologists and an excellent safety profile. Any hair transplant surgeon can discuss it with their ophthalmologist colleagues, like @DrTBarghouthi has done (Thank you!). The key point is that this seems a low-risk high-reward type situation. Any doctor can legally and ethically use this drug off-label with his/her patients. We already use both dutasteride and oral minoxidil off-label, which is what we're proposing with verteporfin

My own view is that there is a 5% chance that all or most of donor hair will be restored and a 20-25% chance that there will be partial restoration of donor reserves, say 50% - so if you extract 2000 grafts you may get 1000 grafts back. Even if verteporfin only reduces or eliminates scarring in the donor area - it would be a win! It may also prove useful in reducing scarring in the recipient area. We may never find out unless we ask the doctors to take a closer look.

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@Melvin- Moderator- Thanks again for taking this up! I hope you will continue to bring up this subject with the doctors that you speak with. May I ask you to frame the question a little differently?

We probably shouldn’t be asking the doctors what they think about it today because almost none of them have taken a detailed look at it, so they’re likely to give an answer similar to what Dr. Bisanga said - a wise answer all things considered. Instead we should be asking them to take their time to study verteporfin closer and get back to us with their thoughts or concerns about trying it out with patients.

Instead of asking: “What do you think about verteporfin?”, we should say something like: “We think verteporfin is worth trying today because it’s low-risk, high-reward. It’s FDA approved and has an excellent safety profile. We know there are no human trials. We know it’s a long shot and it may not work, but some of us feel it’s worth trying. Would you consider taking a closer look at it and get back to us with your thoughts or concerns?”

We’re trying to get them to take a closer look at it, not to wait for research, which may never be completed or even started. The communication challenge I see is how do we get doctors to take a closer look at this without coming off as naive and uninformed. We should make it clear to the doctors that we are informed about the current state of the research (no human studies), but we feel because the drug is FDA approved with a great safety profile, it’s worth trying despite the lack of human trials to date.

Perhaps it doesn’t even make sense to put them on the spot and ask them on live streams, but rather ask them offline to take a closer look so that it can be discussed once they have done a deep dive. This thread is a great starting point for a deep dive:

https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/60076-fda-approved-drug-verteporfin-found-to-fully-regenerate-skin-including-hair-follicles/

I agree with you

If I were you I will go for fue instead of fut and avoid getting linear scar

According to the interview with Dr patric mwamba; he said the  transplanted body hair  after some years will be adapted to scalp environment which means it will have the same texture characteristics as the scalp hair. But I know the body hairs like chest and leg have a very short anagen phase compared to scalp.  Are the anagen phase  of the transplanted body hair like chest and leg will become close to the anagen phase of scalp hair after some years also?

3 minutes ago, BeHappy said:

 

Me? I didn't post anything on this thread until now. I also had almost 6000 BHT grafts with about half taken from my chest and half from my beard. I'm a big believer in using body hair grafts in the original plan for men heading towards extensive hair loss rather than using it as a last resort.

 

I believe the same concept with you (I'm a big believer in using body hair grafts in the original plan for men heading towards extensive hair loss rather than using it as a last resort.) 

13 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

I’ll ask Dr. Hasson about this maybe he will make a video about it, I’ll also ask Bisanga.

Hope to tell us about the feedback of this point as soon as possible 

Bicer without much thinking

Could you show a photo for chest and beard

Great informations

Great experiment you will do. For me I am Reluctant to use finastride and minxodil  due to side effects. and hope  to find an alternative that has no side effect

I hear about rosemary oil mixed with jojoba oil  can give similar effect to minoxidil 2% and as well dht blocker.  Unlike min. and Fin. there is no side effects for these oils

16 minutes ago, Havar said:

All surgeries gives scar, also FUE. The scar makes the next surgery more difficult. The scar gives less blodflow; makes the hair left behind more vulnerable. So; if you do FUT first; the rest hairs will be normal, exept the ones close to the scar. If you do FUE in a bigger area, you will get weaker hairs in a big area and probably more difficult to do a nice dissection of the strip, but also more difficult to dissect each follicular unit. FUT first is the best solution, if you acept linear scar.

Thanks Havar  for your clarification

What is your opinion about the concept mentioned below; is it possible? 

In the fut method a strip of skin for example 3000 grafts is cut then all the 3000 grafts are extracted from that strip to be implanted. So I ask if this  approach is possible is to extract the 3000 grafts from the same strip on your hard without cut the skin out of the head so the area of the strip will be fully blank of hair on your head then we can implant 1000 grafts from beard on this blank area. By this way we take the advantage of fut method  where we only extract a from the save zone and preserve the donor above and below this strip for 2^nd procedure ; avoid getting linear scar from fut and implant scalp hairs which have a better density than beard in the frontal and mid scalp area  instead of implanting  beard hair in the mid scalp.

3 hours ago, Hayden87 said:

Hi all,

I am currently researching clinics for my second hair transplant (for which I will start a thread in due course). However, Eugenix is already at the top of my list, due to their excellent results with higher Norwood levels.

I have been reading reviews of their work and browsing their website for a couple of months now. A few days ago, they updated their website with a new price list and I notice, to my dismay, Dr. Arika no longer has any involvement in the Rs. 120 per graft 'Exclusive' package. It appears to now be conducted entirely by 'Senior Eugenix trained doctors' and techs.

Which brings me to my titular question, who are the other (senior) doctors at Eugenix? Does anyone here have experience with them? Could Eugenix perhaps post a thread in the forum introducing us to them, with some examples of their work?

I haven't yet made contact with Eugenix personally, my country is still a few months from restarting international travel and I'm waiting for it to actually happen before I start reaching out to clinics.

 

 This is my concern about Eugenix I wanted to do my HT with Eugenix but I found the exclusive package does not include much involvement from Doctor arika.. Also there are 60 technicians and i suspect all of them have the same experience level and at the day of your surgery you do not know who of those Tech. will do your operation. And If you want to go for full Doctor involvement you will pay 5 euro which for me is very expensive and if you can afford such price you can go for dr Patric Mwamba. Bisanga. leronzo  all of these doctors are excellent in BHT and fue. I think Eugenix become like asmed hair mill where excellent doctors such as Dr. Arike and koray are involved only for very expensive package and the lesser packages you will be under technician and less experienced staff than doctor. You should make your choice based on a doctors  do the extrection and slits and the technicians do implantions. Also doctor do one patient per day.