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That’s pretty minuscule. I’m wondering if you’ve recently had a HT and have a little buyers remorse given your photo choice? If so you may find that once everything grows in and the redness subsides the temple corner will appear softer and slightly more angular than they do currently. Plucking would be another option of course, but you certainly have a minor punch out session.

Thanks for sharing. Personally I think your crown looks great. It looks age appropriate and naturally thinner but not “balding” per se. The salt n’ pepper works in your favour as well. And as you say, a little magic dust will give it a nice boost if desired. Obviously you have a large disconnect between the hairline and the crown that will require a pretty decent amount of grafts. Given that you need a larger session to sort the frontal third & midscalp, and you need a scar revision, one option would be to choose an FUT & FUE mega session specialist like Hattingen (they’re worth a video consultation at the very least). Another option might be to get on the waiting list for some of the big FUE specialists like Pittella, Zarev or Sethi and look to have the FUT scar filled in with some grafts placed into it. Your donor area looks decent which is good. You’re not going to get a super dense result across your scalp but you look like you could easily achieve a slightly thinner, full coverage look that connects everything and enhances your hairline a bit as well. €40K is, imo, an insane price, but expect to pay around half that number for most top surgeons charging more reasonable and transparent per graft prices around the €4-5 per graft mark in your case. On the more budget end of the spectrum you’d have good options in Cyprus, Thailand and India with good experience and result for higher NW cases/larger sessions. The sticking point will be how you choose to approach the FUT scar (revising it versus covering it with FUE implants).

Nothing looks out of place from these photos to my eye and the design looks nice as well. The 2-3 months will ultimately reveal a lot more as things should start kicking off over the next few weeks. How is your donor area looking?

Punchouts are increasingly common. Ultimately it depends on your case as to what the best options will be. Can you share some pictures?

Nice! It would be useful to see the post-op photos so we can better see the recipient area (and the donor area if you're still concerned about that).

If you did understand perfectly then I'm confused by what you said: What AB2000 said was: But in any case... Everything will have shed by 3 months, so it's not uncommon to see nothing there - some people shed more than others (and some people actually don't shed very much at all). This varies wildly from patient to patient. I do understand that you'd not seen any initial growth immediately post-op and before the bulk of the shedding kicked in. It's difficult to say whether this is something to be concerned about as, again, immediate post-op growth of the recipient grafts will vary from person to person. It might be more instructive to see the high res post-op photos Eugenix would have taken so we can see things in better detail.

By the way @Noble001, do you have the immediate pre and post op photos that Eugenix will have taken? If not you can request them and they will send them to you. Three months is way too soon to have any concerns about growth, but it would be good to see some proper high quality pictures of the work as the ones you've posted so far aren't particularly great.

I think that's a misunderstanding... You shouldn't expect to see anything before the 3 month mark. 3-4 months is when things should start to grow in, so you're right at the very end of the ugly duckling phase and about to begin the growth phase.

Then your two best options are probably Dr Zarev, or Dr Munib. Personally, I think this criteria you've set is unnecessarily limiting but if that's what you feel comfortable with then fair enough. The best option, I think, is a surgeon who has a very small, dedicated team that is very experienced and skilled at their role within the surgery. You eliminate variables at a surgical level by having the same people in the room every single time, performing the same tasks every single time. It's always struck me that having one person do everything - potentially fatiguing themselves through overload - is as much of a variable as anything else in the long run.

It would be beneficial to see some pictures, both because we can see exactly what you’re talking about and can better advise next steps, and also because you’ve stated you’re unhappy with a result from a recommended surgeon.

I did wonder if you were a doctor yourself, so that now makes sense!

How on earth you’ve managed to decipher that handwriting I’ll never know. I can’t even make half of it out *after* you’ve transcribed it! Good work!

The OP also mentioned possible ‘popping’, which may mean he was oozing a fair bit during surgery and in order to negate popping, they had to work a little more slowly and allow the oozing to subside. That, plus the multiple strips (which is very odd indeed), could certainly account for a longer, slower surgery.

At 51 your hair loss will be a lot slower and more stable. If you do lose more hair then you may have to chase it down with more surgery but that's the trade off. If your donor resources allow for it then it shouldn't be a problem. Oral minoxidil would be better than topical (and less hassle), and you can save yourself the money in spending on PRP - it's not going to do anything, frankly. No harm in taking Saw Palmetto, Biotin and other supplements. Whether it'll actually help your hair is another matter of course.

I'm not sure you've understood what I was suggesting you seek consultation about: I'm saying you could have all of those grafts from the front punched back out again and placed elsewhere on your head (including back into your donor area), essentially resetting you to where you started (albeit with an emptier wallet). If you then wanted to just move on and allow your hair loss to progress however it will, then so be it. Here's a case in which a HT was totally reversed and the grafts put back into the donor to mask an FUT scar: And here's another ongoing case of something very similar: As for future hair loss... Have you considered taking finasteride?

There's a reason that none of the top clinics offer this. There's no good evidence that it is effective and frankly, to be upsold something mid-surgery is ethically dubious. How old are you?

As far as I can tell, you've got both singles and irregularities there, which is good. We still won't know for sure until things really start to grow out but I don't think you have anything to worry about for now. The lower cost Turkish clinics are a bit of a lottery. We see very decent results and we see very poor results and it's sometimes hard to know which way it will go for a patient but I'd say from what I can see that things look promising for you.

Hi mate, sorry you're going through this. A few thoughts: Doesn't remotely look like 2,800 grafts for the hairline work Lots of grafts that are far too thick in the hairline and it all lacks the kind of soft, natural-looking refinements we'd hope to see. Luckily most lay people won't really know the difference Skin has definitely been irritated by those grafts one way or the other - possibly cobblestoning as you suspect Overall it's not great work, but its far from the worst case to ever pass through this forum The good news is that this would be fixable. Those implanted grafts can be punched back out and even put back into the areas of your donor that you feel are most compromised. Usually punching the grafts out will also help improve or even eliminate the cobblestoning. The bad news is that these kind of repairs are quite a bit more expensive than normal surgery - expect to pay more for the fix than the initial surgery - and can often require two or three sessions to get everything out and then get everything looking soft and natural again. The number of outstanding surgeons for this kind of repair work is a little limited. I'd recommend reaching out to Dr Feriduni in Belgium, Dr Bisanga (also Belgium) and Dr Laura & Sever at Hattingen for consultation/evaluation. If you're in the UK I'd also suggest a visit to Dr Ball at the Maitland clinic in Portsmouth. EDIT: Also, rather than shave off the offending corner grafts, you might find a better solution that doesn't expose the cobblestoning is to pluck out the most offensive grafts in an irregular pattern to create a bit of break-up. Definitely do not go back to this clinic for any more work though!

This is unfair to not just Tommy, but other patients who have undergone surgery and felt short changed or as though something is not right. Ultimately we put our faith and trust in the hands of surgeons; we defer to their expertise. Even in situations where maybe as a patient we're not quite sure about something, it's easy to become overly deferential in such an environment and go along with something that in hindsight we shouldn't have. Of course, we'd all like to think that we ourselves would pipe up if something seemed wrong. But until you're in that situation you never truly know and the only true antidote to such issues is to have a very thorough and detailed planning consultation in which every single participant of the surgical process is privy to.

It's much better that they left the recession points to be more natural and mature. One of the indicators of poor work out of Turkey is the sloping angles that many clinics often create in the temple corners, which is unnatural and odd looking. From the pictures you've shared, there's nothing that stands out as being an immediate concern. The devil of course will be in the detail. What you're going to want to see is soft single hair grafts used along the hairline, with lots of irregularities to create a bit of break-up and extra softness and naturalness, as well as proper angulation and direction. At this stage we can't know if they've done that (a better picture of the hairline post op would be more instructive here), so it's a waiting game. Clinics like Este tend to be perfectly adequate at transplanting hair from A to B and getting it to grow in. Where most of these low cost Turkish clinics tend to fail is with the level of care and refinement needed to make everything look as natural as possible. Until we see the results we won't know how refined the hairline work has been done.

I think any attempts to conceal rather than embrace hairloss are always doomed to failure. You just create more problems for yourself in the long run. I’d put hats, combovers, SMP and (maybe controversially) hair systems in the same category to be honest. I’m not a fan of any of them. I’d add a caveat around people that have had a bad HT surgery and feel forced to cover it up until they can get it resolved, but that’s a different situation with different considerations.

Qutub Minar is cool - I went there a couple days before my first surgery. You can also take a day trip (or stay one night to make life easier) to Agra to see the Taj Mahal and the Red Fort etc... Personally if you're wanting to explore a little bit, I think you'd be better off doing it in the days prior to surgery rather than after so that you're not swollen and walking around with a funny looking surgical cap. But if that's no big deal to you then there's plenty to see and do!

Fantastic results Tommie. The naturalness is as good as it gets!

Fair enough. It’s borderline impossible to find hairs from anywhere else on the scalp that are as fine and soft as native temple point hairs. This means there will always be some kind of contrast between transplanted hairs and native hair in that area, especially at buzzcut length. When things are grown out everything blends very naturally however, which is true for HT’s in general - a bit of length helps everything! Obviously the hairs selected need to be soft singles, and the angle and direction has to be nice and flush to the scalp to help the blending process. Lots of surgeons do temple points, though many only do subtle enhancements rather than full reconstruction of the temple points.