Fox243
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I don’t think it’s extreme personally. We know that Verteporfin isn’t harmful and does something – maybe not full regeneration, but at least less scarring and partial regeneration. None of the literature demonstrates Verteporfin can heal old scars so imagine you get a HT without Verteporfin. Then it’s possible you ruin your only chance at hair regeneration and are forced to take meds and have a conservative look for the rest of your life when if you wait for Verteporfin, there’s a chance you could be nw1 without any meds
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It’s not 80 mg because we don’t take FUE extractions from every cm^2. It’s also a FUE so probably requires more than an FUT. I had based the initial 10 mg figure on Dr. Bloxham’s trial. Probably ordering like 50 mg or something to be safe. It’s not that expensive so better to order more than less.
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Yikes, you're right. I didn't do the math properly.
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So yeah it’s tough – these are all research chemical sites (After doing more research, I’d actually recommend using this one: https://www.targetmol.com/compound/Verteporfin – it was used by someone else in another group I am). Ideally, we’d get either brand name visudyne from Bausch or Verteporfin from a compounding pharmacy. But otherwise, these sites are usually pretty good when their purity is high.
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I don't think it'd work with microneedling tbh -- it probably needs to be injected after an excision b/c of its molecular weight. There's another GB going on for a new compound (GNE-7883) that could work with microneedling. Either way, if you still wanted to try with verteporfin, I'd actually buy from here: https://www.targetmol.com/compound/Verteporfin (better purity and has been tested by an individual in a group I am in) and 10 mg should be enough if you assume 0.4 mg/cm^2 and a 200 cm^2 wounding area.
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omfg ur the man
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Honestly, I'm not sure though. I still am optimistic about the future. Of course, I wish I were seeing faster results, but even for HTs, the results only start becoming apparent at 6 months.
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is it though? i feel like dr barghouthi's 4 month looks pretty decent too?
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Concentration and dosage are basically equivalent. Density shouldn't really matter. All that matters is concentration times dosage which is equal to amount injected.
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It's quite strange ngl. We're already above the ideal dosing for pigs and the vert study showed that higher dosages are not as good once ur at the ideal dose. I guess there's some difference in humans and pigs, but I wouldn't expect it to be large.
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Can you show me the citation where they were confident of the revision of old scars? I don’t remember reading that tbh.
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The skin there didn't initially even have hair though, so I don't think it would reproduce hair. Also, this drug isn't that expensive -- off-label is probably 1k a patient or so.
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Maybe but there’s definitely a lower probability of that working, so why take the risk rather than ask for Verteporfin and pay an extra $1k.
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Honestly, I do feel quite bad for people who are still getting transplants after seeing vert's results. Imagine possibly ruining your chances for unlimited donor hair. I would instantly cancel or at the very least tell my doctor I'm not getting a transplant without vert. But everyone has their own choice.
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He's an amazing, caring doctor. I'm glad to have met him.
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Oh dang that's huge. You can just ask Dr. Barghouthi if you want to use verteporfin and I'm sure he'd say yes. Honestly, i don't think anyone should be getting a HT without vert at this point -- we at least are confident that it won't hurt and most likely helps a lot.
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Unfortunately, they only seem to service in India.
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I think they don't like threads to external websites. Personally, I think links to other websites that are hair-related and don't scam the consumer are fine, but it's their choice I guess.
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This has caught attention on reddit too now haha:
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We are waiting on people to spread verteporfin to their doctors to either contact Melvin or me (gargnim01@gmail.com) to help them onboard. Here is an onboarding doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s3JkF9woMIebkXbpE_UxrjBfNy9i7AuBclDqn9HGrAo/edit
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Not that I know of. Honestly, I'm not sure if a scar revision would work. The literature doesn't share any info about its possibility or lack thereof. For now, we need to at least prove it works on virgin skin before expanding to other things.
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You probably need to produce controlled wounds on the level of an FUE -- so there's a cost to that. We don't know what kind of skin the wounding will produce -- will it produce skin with the follicles already having been damaged by DHT? Probably not, but we just don't know and it's more important to first establish vert works the way it's meant to, and not introduce additional variables that may fail and dampen hopes.
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the former two shouldn't be wasted with a doctor imho. any individual who cares enough about those can try it themselves. i would try it but i'm not interested in recipient site wounding anyways because those hairs are likely not dht resistant.
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fwiw, Dr. Pittella said he's fine with using generic verteporfin. I had sent his nurse links to medchemexpress and selleck, which have facilities in Brazil. Unfortunately, he doesn't have an international import license, so I'm not sure if he can ship from Germany to South America. No, he uses verteporfin
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Ah I guess I'm referring more to under the chin as opposed to on the face. And yeah, wouldn't want all of it to be moved -- but would be fine with a thinner beard look.
