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46 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Guys,

 I want you all to know that we hear what your complaints are and we will be reaching out to Dr. Erdogan, for his response. To be fair, as a patient myself I know I could either make my transplant look very good or horrible. So, when I see pictures of the hairline spread apart, under harsh lights and with wet hair. I’m automatically assuming the results look better with normal styling and dry hair. That’s why I created that thread to show how I myself can look the same exact way, under harsh lights, with wet hair and if I spread my hairline apart.

I’m not defending any doctors and if there is a serious issue with a surgeon believe me we’re one if not the only organization that actually does something about it. Countless other so-called patient organizations simply silence their patients by hiding threads from public view. None of that goes on here.

Relax Melvin, i am not trying to allege or accuse Asmed clinic of something, just stating facts. My statement above was in answer to your comment. As i have not completed the cycle of 12 months and neither spoken to Asmed about my final results, i am not giving any final judgement.

About being you a patient and knowing one can make a transplant look good or bad, i have tried to be very honest in my thread. I have posted different pictures in different conditions (dry, wet, how i style mye hair normally) and after requests from members on this forum to give a proper preview of my look. But i must say it surprise me that you still doubt my intentions

4 hours ago, PlzRespond said:

Who was your surgeon?

Asmed

6 hours ago, 911fan said:

I understand the guy's concern. I think that it has to do with managing your hair styles. You don't get the same density you lost with the surgery. 

i have tried different hairstyles but the low density and the gappy areas inbetween hairline, make the scalp so look through and unnnaural

i am not asking for the density as before but aleast to the Level that i can dra my hair backward or style them in some way. As of now i wear such as that hairline do not get exposed

12 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Looks good in my opinion, there is a huge issue with guys expecting to have full density. I posted a thread a few months back showing how different my hair looks when it's wet in bright lights spread apart as opposed to styled regularly. I will try and find that thread.

 

First of all i am not surprised  that the result looks good to you Melvin, going by your recent comments on various threads i must say it was expected. Secondly i never went to Asmed with any unrealistic expectations but if one is left with the need of a touch up procedure  after a year of surgery, should it be called a success or satisfactory realut? Especially when you have had your surgery for a reasonably huge amount of money at a top reputable hairclnic!

I am not stating unreasonable but some genuine concerns:

The most important part of a hairtransplant surgery is the hairline and which was also my goal in my case. Going by your words that hair transplants are just «illusions» , so my result should atleast give the illusion of having a better density.  That is not the situation in my case (and for many others who got their surgery at asmed recently). I have posted several pitures of my hairline in different conditions, looks and lights (of coure not in bulb light of my house basement as it would have been difficult to capture a pic there and as i still feel daylight is more natural than the lighting inside of a room/building) and all of them shows the poor density and gappy areas inbetween hairline. The most devastating part for me (certainly for many others in their cases) is that i had to wear my hair down or slide them  to hide the unnatural looking hairline. What is the point in the first place if one have to hide his hairline after a year of sugery?

The number of grafts i have used in my surgery should have yielded in a better density over all transplanted area. But that is also not the case in my outcome. The density between tranplanted area and non transplanted area is almost the same. And it was not like that there was a huge density difference between treated and non treated area before surgery. So i think i can  compare the density between treated and noen treated area to evaluate my results. The survival rate of transplanted grafts is 50% or maybe even lower than that.

51 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Thanks for providing different pictures. When presenting results it’s important to post different lighting, angles and conditions. We’re not always indoors and were not always outdoors. Do you mind posting a top down view picture with dry hair? 

Here you go: Top down view

can also take some pictures in the daylight and post! Just let me know.

10 minutes ago, munich said:

We both have absolutely identical results.. maybe we had the same "low-skill-level" techs. Two weeks ago I had a call with my asmed coordinator and they tried to convince me that I reached a very good result. After this I ask another clinic about their opinion and they said that I will need another 1000-1200 grafts in the frontal third. So it seems that I will reach a regrowth level of ca. 60-70%. In my opinion this isn't acceptable for the price what I paid for. 

Lately I have seen a lot more bad results from asmed, but I forgot that we present all our pictures only in very very bad light conditions.

They will offer you a free touch up. In best case you will save money...in the worst case you will lose some of your valuable donor reserves like in the first procedure.

I really dont understand what good and bad lighting is? A result is either good or bad and looks same in all the conditions. A picture taken under day sunlight outside is not a bad lighting or harsh lighting. Its normal

On my thread i have tried to post pictures  under all conditions and in different looks(wet and dry). Dont know what more could one do to be more fair and honest in their review. 

23 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

How does your hair look in normal lighting?

Here are few more pictures taken inside of my house under «normal» lighting. Hope it clarifies any futher doubts. 

I have tried to be very honest and optimistic about my surgery outcome on my thread, but tbh now i dont expect any further improvement in my results. After 11 months of surgery from a top notch Clinic, with 4500 grafts i expected the results to be much better. 

15 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

The vast majority of people work indoors, it’s a reasonable question to ask for pictures that reflect that.

There needs to be a combination of indoors and outdoors photographs, so we can see what his hair looks like in different circumstances/lighting.

I consider daylighting as a normal lighting and a hairtransplant successful which looks  equal  both under sun light and indoor light. 

 But to answer your quiries i wil upload some new pictures taken in indoor light both in wet and dry look. If you go through my pictures posted earlier on this thread, you will find them and which do not differ alot from situation right now.

And YES my hairline do look great if i stand under a zero watt bulb in a dark room. 

Can you show pictures of you : pre surgery and after surgery

11 month mark:

Here is preview of my hairline at little over 11 months after the surgery. The hairline is still quite weak and gappy. To be honest i dont expect any further thickness of transplanted grafts/hair. I will get back to my coordinator at Asmed after passing 12 month ( that will be in the mid of juli) mark to get their opinion. 

P.S! Apologies for some blurred pictures as i have to click at my own.

16 hours ago, munich said:

I don't think that this was the main goal. if yes then are 4500 grafts for the frontal third definitely to much. Especially the hairline should be  denser. 

Agree completly with you on this Munich! Ref. My comment above

18 hours ago, therealmvp2016 said:

the goal was to match the hair density of your native hair.  IMO, your new density looks the same as your other non-transplanted hair.  anything higher, is not realistic.  

Hair density pre surgery was same all over my head. And my goal was to have better density in hairline and frontal area. I was most concerned about the hairline before surgery as it is the most sensitive and crucial part of ones surgery. With almost half of the grafts tranplanted in the hairline and temples i expected it to be more dense. But as of now it have quite big gaps with no hair inbetween and which is the main reason of my disappointment

19 hours ago, xadiohead said:

 I agree 4500 grafts should yield much better results and this is not a top result by any means. However I disagree regarding him not having a huge difference to his pre op status.   I would say his hair looks MUCH better now than pre-op.  You can tell when comparing the wet before/after pics.     

Of course, there is a difference and i am not denying that But with 4500 grafts i expected the outcome to be much better especially from Asmed clinic. I went to Asmed with quite realistic expectations & not with some unrealistic dreams. But i must say the outcome is quite below the mark according to Asmed level as they are the top hairtransplant center in Turkey.

On 5/7/2019 at 7:55 PM, munich said:

Sorry it sounds very hard but in my opinion there isn't a huge difference to your pre op status. 4500 grafts should definitely looks like a full head of hair.   I hope that your hair get thicker and leave you in a better position.

Thnaks for the feedback mate. Yeah,  with 4500 grafts the outcome should have been better even with hair diameter of 55. I think the survival rate of the transplanted grafts is 50% or even less than that. Dont know whats the reason as i have seen many tremendous results of same hair diameter as mine coming out of asmed. As of now i m most worried about my hair line which is gappy and have begin to look unnatural. 

2 minutes ago, Kraistoff said:

Hello

 

i have already seen your thread . It has me worried 

has the clinic been asking you for results and checking how you are? What have they said to you? Have you spoke to the doctor about your result yet ? 

 

 

No nothing much of follow up from their side, i must say. But tbh it have n,t bothered me either. As one have to wait atleast 12 month in order to complain or make a claim or any thing else. 

Last time i spoke to my co ordinator so she told me that doctor thinks most of the hair have grown and need time to mature. I am currently 9 and a half month on my way to 12 month mark. Lets see where i stand in 2 months. I have recently uploaded pictures from 9 month mark. Take a look u havent seen so u can get a idea of ur 9 month scenario. Best of luck

On 3/17/2019 at 5:53 PM, FarsanUk said:

Take a look at my thread! I think we have same identical hair type and issues

 

9 and a half month mark

Both in dry and wet look

Amazing results mate. congratulations

keep updating ✌🏼

Can you please also upload a photo of yours from pre surgery time, when you make a 12 month update? Just to show the total review: how you looked before and now? 

Concragz you got amazing results! Looks like survival rate of your transplanted grafts is 100%. I have hair micron of almost same size as yours “55” and had my surgery in july 2018. And my results looks nowhere close to yours. 

Concragulation again and looking forward to your 12 month update 

44 minutes ago, xadiohead said:

I arrived in Instanbul last night from Texas (took about 20 hours from the time I left my house to get to the Radison hotel).  I am going to ASMED this afternoon for my evaluation and my surgery is tomorrow.   Reading the end of this thread (and a couple other threads I have seen) has me very nervous.    I know with ASMED I'm getting technicians doing just about all the work besides the incision, but I'm worried that some groups of techs may not be as good as others, especially now that he is doing more surgeries per day.   Guess I should have tried to get the names of some of the good techs from past patients and requested them before coming.  

Muge is my coordinator.  

 

I would suggest you not to worry and go ahead with your surgery as planned. Even though outcome of my surgery and of few others is not so optimal (til now), there are still coming out remarkable results out of clinic. And remember one has to wait almost 18 months to conclude whether a result is successful or not, that cycle is not completed for the few who have their genunie concerns.  Many of us are just the half way. And Asmed is surely aware of them who have the concerns and must be extra careful regarding their new patients. 

In my thread i am just trying to be honest and putting out the facts and how i feel. Even thogh it sounds a bit negative/critical( which is not my intention) i am still hopeful. Btw i am still recommending my brother to get a transplant at Asmed who is considering a hairtransplant(not kingbilla 😝, another one)

Good luck for your surgery and do make a thread. Muge is very professional and a nice girl. I am sure she will make you feel safe. 

9 minutes ago, munich said:

This is how my hairline looks after 6 months and 3 weeks. Have the same problem like you guys. Density should be about 50 grafts per squarecentimer. Actually I measured under 15 in the temple area. 

Can you share link of your thread?? Whats your hair diameter? Have u had your surgery at Asmed? 

1 minute ago, kw877 said:

I think i had 8k donor. I dunno about that though. I’d consider having another pass with 1k max added to my hairline. I’ll probably get smp in my donor and tbh if I get a good 10 years with decent hair I’m not too bothered about later on. At 50+ my body won’t be anything special so my hair won’t be an issue. Just wanna get the most out of my 30s lol

Yeah that true. We should concentrate of getting more out of 30s 😂 instead of worrying for later years 

Yeah, it can be as you are saying combination of diiferents things you mentioned. But then again i have seen many great results with same hair diameter as mine, coming both from Asmed and other well known clinics. Shock loss can also be a reason, but the hairline does seems to have low transplanted density( see attached pic taken just now) as there are quite big gaps in the hair line. Dont know how many grafts are tranplanted per squaremeter in my case but it seems quite low. 

I hope it gets better in the next three months (will be reaching 12 month mark in 3,5 month). I wish my hairline get thicker and denser so i could style my hair atleast, which is also the primary reason of getting a transplant in the first place. 

Thanks for sharing. Your hair looks amazing at six months mark compared to pre-surgery time. And you can expect it to get even better in the next 6 months. 

Not every result of Asmed is bad and the few of them complaining i think have a legit reason. I am almost at 8.5 months mark and my hairline is still quite weak and not allow me to push my hair backward. I had to wear them doen to not expose my scalp, not a very ideal situation at this point (almost 9 months), see attached pic taken just now

but i agree there are only few such results. Asmed is still producing good results ( like yours) & a big name in transplant world 

Can you upload any picture from pre surgery time? You crown area and area around mid scalp looks quite good compared to your hairline and frontal area! 

usually the crown area fills up in the last , but in your case it filled very well and that too in short span of time. 

Concrags you look on track👍🏻