FarsanUk

I've seen really good results by Dr Baubac from Beverley hills (part of Alvi Armani). He does all the work himself - extraction , incisions and remains there for implementation with his techs. His results are amazing but charges alot per graft which you would expect being based in Beverley hills. 

I'm nearly 8 months post OP from dr Erdogan with the result looking ok-ish but definitely will need refinement. I'm looking at baubac because he really does have natural and dense hairlines he also does body hair transplantation which I may talk to him about to beef up the top.

But I cant seem to find any baubac patients on this forum and do not just want to base my decision on what they post on their website or on other forums. Patient reviews give a much more accurate indication of what most of a clinic's results are like. 

Can anyone give me a reason why there are no reviews on here ? I know hes not a member of this coalition organisation but so aren't many doctors who are reviewed here.

Just a quick correction to my original quote , I said that BT forum was corrupt,  I was a bit out of line there certainly didn't mean it but this is a topic I am passionate about so emotions can run high.

6 minutes ago, Jamothee said:

These continued substandard results coming out of Asmed are just not acceptable.

I vote for a moratorium on Asmed being included on the recommendation list until the results start improving and an explanation is offered as to why the quality control has slipped so dramatically.

The members of this forum are trying their best, as Kraistoff mentioned, to become well informed and educated about the HT world to avoid these exact predicaments.

To simply continue to ignore this inadequacy and keep them on the recommendation list couldn't possibly  bode well for this site's repute as an unbiased source of credible information.

 

I would say to anyone looking at before and afters that absolutely do not look at what the clinic posts on forums and its website. Look at patients' own posted reviews and photos because these are your on average results.

Guys check this dreadful growth on an asmed patient. He just posted it on YouTube. Asmed should be ashamed of themselves. This is NOT a one off this is happening more and more over the past 18 months.

This guy is at 9 months. I dont want to hear no BS from people saying hes still go time, this is no where near what it should be at 9 months even for a slow grower.

Contact asmed and say hey great result I'm so thrilled, can you post this on your website, YouTube channel and on the forum? in all honesty it's not a botch but not great either and requires more density no doubt. This problem of yours is becoming very common. Yes there will be people saying there is no guarantees and everyone's physiologically is different you just dont know what's going to happan. Well when it's the exact same issues on a growing number of patients (see through hairlines, bad density/growth) then that theory is completely false. 

Unfortunately nothing will be done in terms of taking this doctor off recommended lists like this one and the iahrs whom both require consistent good results to stay affiliated. Melvin/bill it is your duty  to help guys out there and not let bad results ruin lives. If you take guys like Erdogan off your list you will save alot of heart ache and depression. This is serious, you need to do the right thing if you care at all about how hairloss and bad results can ruin lives. Enough is enough there is too much vested interests in this industry it's about time someone actually stood up for what's right.

Even if my own results ends up being decent maybe I will get lucky and would have had the right team but my opinion will never change as to how they operate and I dont want to risk other people getting messed up, why? Because i care about this sh!t 

Just now, kw877 said:

How many more grafts would you say? I’m just apprehensive to go back unless I know I’m gonna get the best techs and a lot more input from the Dr. I understand it’s the standard now that techs will do the bulk of it but I wanna know I’m with the best ones. Especially if it’s a second pass as I understand it takes a lot more knowledge to implant between older grafts?

There is no way of knowing about the best techs even if you ask them they will tell you whom ever is suited to your case will be the team you get. That's from my personal experience. Secondly, it's the doctor who does the incisions inbetween each hair so you dont need to worry about techs there. Yes there should have been more density for that amount of grafts, personally if I was unhappy with good reason I wouldn't go back to the same clinic.

Either way it's all well and good saying I look great post OP that means nothing , we see great post OP photos only to end with a sub par result. (Not saying this is or anything) progress through the months is how we can judge how good it is.

9 minutes ago, Kraistoff said:

Farsan

 

have you looked on the other forums (there’s a French one ) there seems to be a lot of good results there 

Yes I didn't say they dont have good results in the past. It's a going trend in the past year or so which are concerning all with the same common problems. Whether we like it or not when you increase amount of surgeries a day quality will come down 

7 hours ago, kw877 said:

Would never happen. They’d be admitting liability 

Although still early so don't think about it just yet. If they offer you a free touch up that's as good as admitting they messed up. This is a standard thing they do and they think its not a problem well it is a problem they should get it right first time around they have no idea what financial, emotional investment we put into this before during after surgery. How can they honestly make up for the first time when they possible wasted grafts or made an unnatural hair line (not referring to you). Is the doctor all of a sudden going to pay more attention and bring his best team to you? Why not do that the first time? Take every patient seriously! You are a doctor so act like one. Yes alot of people will say there are no guarantees which is true but the growing trend of very dence-less hairlines and not great growth is showing that there is a bit more going on here.

The doctor needs to step up here and start reducing his surgeries and have a more hands on personal approach to each patient. Money has got the better of him like a lot of clinics. When you see how awesome the new clinic looks and everything he has in it, surely he should be embarrassed when he sees some of the results that come out of it, its laughable. Not to say he doesn't get good results - because he does it's just that the sub par results are becoming more of a regular feature and you just dont know you are getting from one patient to the next. 

Just now, kw877 said:

on my day there was 4, but that was at the old clinic. They've since scaled up big time. Did you go to the new clinic?

I was there at the old clinic and it was 6 on my second day. Its still 6 officially.

I know we are getting off topic here, it should be about this patient progress. But I just want to say that I'm glad we can have this open discussion about a clinic and raise questions where need be. Unlike the bald tru th forum where I was shut down and denied access to a thread where a patient was complaining of his asmed result. I dont know if they deleted the thread or just denied me access to it. I didn't say anything abusive or bash them I simple raised questions just like I've done on this forum over the past year. Infact a doctor recommended on that site chimed in and was telling some home truths about the clinic and they still blocked the thread its ridiculous. 

If it wasnt for this forum no one would ever see or read some truths about certain clinics. I agree moderation is important and personal abuse and just blindly bashing a clinic without a structured argument is uncalled for. The doctors recommended on BT - you cant even find complaints or issues raised my patients on the forum it's a complete cover up. I agree alot of what Kobren says but he complains alot but only he is allowed to bash people. Control of information is what we expect from governments- not forums which are suppose to help vulnerable people like us.

Thank you Bill.

5 minutes ago, jonnyalex said:

I have to admit, if I could afford it, it would be either H&W or Rahal

H and W is also another great option. Important that if anyone has let price motivate their decision to not even consider price especially for a second or a corrective surgery. I know it plays on our mind we just cant help it but if you cant afford the good guys then dont get it done until you can afford it.

I doubt very much its 9 a day.  Its 6 max but I would say their attention to detail is not what it used to be and it's just luck if you get the right tech team to whether you get an excellent result or a sub par one.

12 minutes ago, mosd said:

Karadeniz? Nah 

Yh my bad maybe not him he is finding it hard to compete and is being led astray. But the other guys are a cut above, their attention to detail,naturalness particularly baubac - his density is unreal he costs an arm and a leg but il be looking at him for next time for sure.

16 minutes ago, jonnyalex said:

This is interesting. There was definitely not 6 patients during my visit, more like 3 maybe? I knew that techs did most of the work but I must admit I was surprised that I spent less than 45 minutes with the actual doctor... I barely seen the guy. 

Furthermore, I was looking elsewhere in Turkey ( other high end clinics) to fix my hairline and when I asked various reps on their opinion of ASMED, they gave cryptic responses like "I have an opinion but I rather not say". No idea what that means. Perhaps it's simply envy - they clearly own most of the market in Turkey 

When I went there my rep told me 6 patients. There was 3 of us on my first day and 6 on the second. If you go to payums thread the clinic itself posted the fact it is 6 patients a day. The new clinic has 9 surgery rooms ,weather they use all of them at once I doubt it and maybe used for other reasons.

53 minutes ago, kw877 said:

 

I’ve been looking at surgeons that take 1 case per day and are fully hands on throughout I just need to research more. Keser is one I’m looking into but like I said need to research more. Any suggestions?

 

Look at guys like lupanzula, baubac, Edward ball, karadeniz, bisanga, j.col.e. They are some of the most ethical doctors around and the last one I mentioned has dealt with a lot of asmed patients he certainly has an opinion or two. But here is the but... they are all with the exception of karadeniz very expensive. Consult with them all ,gather all the info and take your time but dont do nothing until 12 months. 

3 minutes ago, Kraistoff said:

Yes I’ve also start minoxidil once a day too 

You do know that you will go through a shed when you start minoxidil and if you're using it just to speed the growth - when you stop using it any hairs that were saved will be lost. You literally have to stay on it forever. I came of minoxidil a long time ago as my hair loss just got worse and worse and it never saved any hairs apart from the first 8 months I noticed improvement but then it just completely stopped working and hairloss progressed.

Well you're not there yet this will get better, how much better ? No one can say. Stay on finesteride because if you dont you certainly wont have any grafts to move in years down the line.

5 minutes ago, Kraistoff said:

Cheers farsan

 

i reckon you’re doing well though. 

Hopefully more hair will sprout behind hairline . Most worrying thing for people must be the fact they are using finite grafts , sometimes it isn’t as simple as getting it rectified elsewhere . 

Well to be honest you probably have 7 to 8k donar from which 4500 have been used. You certainly wont need the same amount of grafts again as there is enough coverage there. The donar looks great as always from asmed so you have plenty of reason to be hopeful.

I want to also add that once we all get to 12 months the next stage should be a very well thought out and detailed as well as well researched stage. The next stage is the most important stage because if there is another sub par performance by what ever clinic, that would lead to a life time of depression and misery. Im telling you this because when you increase the amount of surgeries a day quality will inevitably drop and so you get hit or missed alot more no matter how well trained a tech is it's not her name on top of the door. Yes if you are lucky enough to get a really good tech who is constantly monitored by the doctor that's a great match.Dont cheap out guys get consultations from truly ethical doctors who do all the work , right all the wrongs that were done before and get it right this time whatever the cost is - because it will cost alot of money - if you cant afford it then dont do it try and get by with hair fibres till you can afford it. 

14 minutes ago, Kraistoff said:

I was / am surprised by this really. I was told they would want day 10 photos from me when I left but nobody ever asked for these I sent my own 14 day to Seek some advice and reassurances 

 

My coordinator contacted me at 6 months asking for photos. I think they must have just remembered me as they said they follow what I write on these forums. I havnt sent anything to them because well what's the point? They will never write that oh it dont look good or that's a bit worrying. They will tell you like they tell the hundreds of other patients to wait at least 12 months and some circumstances they'll tell you to wait 18 months. I agree with you that in your case they should have better after care communication but let's face it whether your progress is good or bad they will tell you the same thing and if it the end of 12 to 18 months it hasn't changed much they'll simply offer you a free touch up so it's a pointless exercise unless you actually lived close to the clinic and could have the doctor inspect your progress which is pretty useful. What's done is done the surgery has happened and  nothing can change what may or may not be the outcome, all you me and the other guys can do is wait 12 months, re assess the situation and decide what we want done and by whom.

4 hours ago, kw877 said:

I definitely can’t leave it as is. I’m stuck between hoping asmed will touch up and have dr erdogan be present for the entire thing this time (I don’t think that’s a lot to ask after how much I paid) or going to a surgeon that does the entire procedure himself once I’ve saved up enough.

Its draining though feeling so crap about it all the time. I was excited to not have to worry about it anymore but I’ve found I worry more now than before lol.

First of all if you get a touch up done dr Erdogan will not be there for the entire surgery, he just doesn't do that its not his business model. He puts a lot of trust in his own abilities to train his techs and will stand by them. It's not like this is a one off where you can say ok generally his teams are excellent and chances are itll be better next time. Your exact issues have been a growing trend at Asmed over the past year, yes there are the odd really good results but it really is hit or miss there now as to how the results turn out. Physisions will say it is elective and cannot guarantee what will happen which is true however, when your issue is replicated on quite a few patients recently then that excuse no longer applies. There is a problem there and we can never know exactly what. Weather it is mis handling of grafts, aggressive extractions or just your physiology, none of this can be proved and they sure as hell wont put their hands up and say it's their fault so they'll offer you a free touch up but whatever you do its crazy to go back you've got one chance now to get this right and it can be corrected and you'll be laughing at the end. This next step the most important surgery you will have, choose your clinic wisely, make sure they check all the boxes, make sure they do a Lot of corrective work, and are present throughout and dont have multiple surgeries. Yes these other guys are alot more expensive but do what ever it takes to get you back in that happy mode. If you cant afford it then dont get it done, bide your time get plenty of consultations and make an informed decision. Just realise this can be fixed easily and you will be happy again.

5 hours ago, xadiohead said:

I'm sure there will be some Asmed naysayers (some of which seem justified) come along shortly but this looks very impressive to me for 6 months!  

What do your friends, family, coworkers say?  

Co workers never knew I had it in the first place as I always used fibres. If you look at my pre OP photos I had a lot of hair so was easy to use topikk. Friends think it looks normal but of course I know that it's not completely natural as it is pluggy and probably will require touching up next year. Itll thicken up over the next 3 to 4 months then I'll make a final judgement on the naturalness of the hairline (not overall maturity of the entire transplant as that will take longer) and take it from there.

2 hours ago, Kraistoff said:

How’s the hairline looking farsan ? 

6 months post OP Asmed Dr Koray Erdogan 

This update is the hairline only. Pictures are a bit flattering to be honest. Hoping things start looking more softer and natural in the front, I have corse hair so it's not ideal. It's not as dense as it looks on photos.Will post again at 7 months with full 360 degree photos including crown update.

1 minute ago, Dr. Patrick Mwamba said:

In this case , no removal .

Just lower the hair line , use singles and doubles , place them respecting angles , add density in the current hair line  and he will be Ok . Another 500 to 1000 grafts .( depending on final location of hair line and grafting density )

 

Really good of you to give detailed answers like this. This is something I may come to you for in the future I'm 6 months post OP same clinic.

39 minutes ago, Dr. Patrick Mwamba said:

see through effect  because of light density and impression of pluggy look because i believe of hair angle which looks too straight ( I mean vertical ) .

How would you normally repair a patient like this? Removal of grafts ? Or if there is scope for lowering hair line - to put more natural single hairs and good angles right in front and also add density to camouflage.