Swimmy

Im lookin into saw palmetto

 

Use beta sistosterol its more effective.

First off. You got ripped off. Laser Combs don't have enough diodes and aren't nearly strong enough to fight hair loss. Its basically just a over priced piece of plastic.

With that being said lasers do work for hair. They have even been FDA approved for women...But it will work for men as well. If you have the money its good piece of equipment in fighting and growing back hair.

The best way to go is to make your own helmet as instructed in the link..Or have the guy make one for you.

Laser Messiah > Construction Helmet

I commented awhile back on the use of Iodine for hair loss. Its not that expensive and has many health benefits. Its particularly good at preventing cancers and a host of other problems as well. Regardless of hair loss people should be supplementing with Iodine if you live in the states. It can as said help with hair loss. Bottom line is Iodine is extremely important to the body. Iodine and Omega 3 are the main reasons why Japan is the healthiest country in the world.

I'm gonna have to disagree with west. The Iodine we take in the states from foods isn't sufficient or a good source. Most of the Populations on a diet like in the States are deficient in Iodine. Which is why its a good a idea to supplement.

The only real negative effects is Iodine can stir up mercury and bromide in your body and probably cause you to be sick or run a fever. That can usually be avoided by a salt loading protocol.

Well. When there are clear dangers and sometimes permanent damage from the use of propecia this isn't surprising. Oh and when you put out fraudulent studies to sell your own product.

It actually amazes me that people bought into these MERCK Studies. No one should ever trust a study done on a product by its own company.

hi guys

 

i am using nioxin shampoo system 2 currently. however, the nioxin website says that to achieve results, i need to add in the conditioner and scalp therapy.

 

i am wondering any guys who are using nioxin shampoo, do u also use their conditioner and scalp therapy.

 

even for guys who are not using nioxin products, do you use conditioner and scalp therapy on top of your regular shampoo?

conditioner isn't that important unless your hair is longer.

Actually many of the ingreds are not "entirely different from the norm". But it is a good list..although the hype over it- which is the norm for that group- is probably going to disappoint folks.

 

As for ...there's so much to say about that...but I'll just say there's a reason why their websites and names etc aren't allowed in a few forums.

 

BTW..is Immortalhair ever going to show us his hair that could never be any better?

 

Good luck with it Swimmy.

Jacob,

Honestly, I think the ingredients they are using is better than the other stuff being sold out there. At least they aren't throwing random crap into a bottle like with all these other products we see out there.

Nid and Immortal tend to follow a different' route to treating hair loss. Personally, I fall some where in the middle. Take a few good supplements, a good shampoo, and a topical. Maybe minox.

I'll give it a go. Like most products I won't expect much. I think the Puresterol may be good. Its like dumping a bottle of propecia on your head.

Iherb is where I get my supplements.Other things as well. To a lesser extent Swansons.

Does MSM have an alternate name? I've looked in about 5 difference pharmacies here in the US and also Australia and didn't see it on the shelf

Should say MSM(Methylsulfonylmethane) on it.

Also MSM has great synergy with vitamin C. SO it would be good to take those two together.

Thanks Swimmy, I checked it out seems interesting. Have you tried the regimen he recommends or any of these herbal products? I'm thinking about trying it out along with the finasteride/minoxydil. Hopefully they will be synergistic as it seems like they target different causes.

I tried. But I can't afford the regimen to stay on it in its full glory. However, I did feel good on the stuff and does help more than your hair. I still take some stuff but those are more for personal health. The only thing I am consistently taken is resveratrol+curcumin. Since It seems to have a noticeable effect on reducing scalp itch and inflammation

There's always other options discussed on the forum as well.

I also know recently Immortal and nid decided to start a supplement line. Its basically the whole regimen. But so they could make a more concentrated reliable and pure form of the supplements that they were initially taken from other brands out there. I haven't tried the supplement line as of yet myself.

If you can afford or have cash laying around. Or seriously just want to hit hair loss from all angles. Its like 94.95 a month for the whole packageSeems pretty steep. But alot of those guys on the forum are fighting hair loss without minx or fin. So they don't have to worry about buying that stuff. Also the level of purity they got with all the supplements they are barely making any money off the supplements they sell

Thanks for the heads up Swimmy. You stay pretty up to date on the chemistry side of things.

Thanks. I'll probably give this product a go next month. If I see any results I'll update.

Hi all,

 

Great forum really appreciate everyone's stories and advice. I notice many people allude to taking a variety of vitamins and supplements in addition to finasteride and minoxidil. Can anyone provide or point me towards a brief outline of what they are taking and for what purpose? I haven't been able to find a consolidated overview here and distrust most of the info on other sites.

 

For way of background, I am 25 and have started to thin out on top and in the hairline. I met with one of the doctors recommended on this site and he put me on finasteride and minoxidil 5% (he said once a day before bed is fine). I've been on this regimen for about a month and have definitely noticed some shedding, but I'm optimistic and trying to power through this stage.

 

Thanks!

If you are interested in knowing what supplements to take. I would visit immortalhair forum. Which focus's on supplements etc.

Interesting video. It does some ingredients that the typical hair products do not have. I still would imagine you are going to have some people swear it is doing something postive for them and others who feel it did nothing at all.

Agreed. I'll be giving it a go based on the fact that these are entirely different ingredients from the norm. Nid and Immortalhair know their stuff on hair loss so I know they had a good reason to go with these ingredients in theory.

There will be a lot people in the hair loos forum communities trying this product and giving their results. I know a lot of them having experience with using hair products over the years won't jump to conclusions with positive or negative results. But there's always a few.

Exercise does not cause hairloss. As noted in the industry, MPB is caused by sensitvity to DHT (which is genetic). If anything, it would assist in maintaining a healthy lifestyle and support your hair.

 

If it wasn't the case all athletes would be bald, think about it.

 

 

Not all athletes have a genetic disposition to the causes of MPB. There's the fallacy

I know this question has been raised alot of times and i went thru all answers but i never got the "clear" view .. im still confused if i should stop doin aerobic exercises such as treadmill and eleptical ? Do they really accelerate the hair loss ? do they realliy increase DHT levels ?

Don't listen to what is being said. Cardio exercise can cause hairloss. It doesn't mean you shouldn't excercise but avoid extreme cardio exercises like long distance running. Supplement appropriately as well with anti oxidants. Cardio exercise causes oxidative stress on the body. This includes the hair follicle.It also cause inflammation. One of the leading factors in hair loss.

In the hair follicle oxidative stress has been shown to influence programmed cell death, otherwise known as apoptosis. Apoptosis constitutes a strong negative determinant of hair production, inasmuch as susceptible substructures of the follicle, including dermal papilla cells, are the key precursors of hair shaft formation.

 

 

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First off I am not trying to sell this product to anyone. Its only been out for about a month so they nor I can attest to the products effectiveness

Just wanted to bring this product to light for the reason that this was made by people like us. The makers of this product have been very active in the hair loss community forums. So they aren't some random joes trying to sell a product to suckers. They are like us. Trying to find answers to hair loss. So I've been particularly interested in this product for that reason. Not to mention the creators behind the product have contributed greatly to the hair loss community.

This a 40 minute video from worldhairloss talking about the product and each ingredients role for anybody interested. In learning more.

1:10 - Introduction with Nidhogge

3:45 - Immortal’s Arrival

4:40 - Nano-Silver

7:43 - Marine Seakelp Bioferment

9:43 - Lumistor

10:51 - Seveov

12:48 - Puresterol

12:07 - Copper Tri-Peptide1

18:40 - PhytoCellTec Malus Domestica

21:29 - GSP-T

22:56 - Nano-Lipobelle DN CoQ10

25:20 - Nano-Lipobelle S100/PA

27:59 - Epicalmin TCM

30:58 - AquaCacteen

34:16 - Summary, consultations with Brian Simmonis

Nano-Silver

 

Colloidal Silver is well-known as an anti-biotic, anti-fungal, and anti-parasitical remedy when not only taken internally, but when applied topically as well. However, the primary issue with colloidal silver, is both the concentration of silver in the formula, as well as the size of the actual silver particle. It is for this reason that we looked into nano-sized silver solutions, and found a fantastic source created by a knowledgeable doctor in Poland. Not only are the particle sizes small enough to make a difference when applied topically, but the concentration of the solution is initially 1,000 PPM (Particles Per Million), and we are using that at 5% in the formula. This makes the quantity of nano-silver particles in this formula 50 PPM, which is the same strength typically used on plant-life as a natural pesticide to stave off harmful bacteria and fungal growth.

 

So, you may be wondering what made us consider Nano-Silver for an anti-aging and anti-hair loss formula...

 

Nano-Silver was considered for primarily two reasons. It will act as a safe disinfectant for the scalp, which may serve to diminish bacterial, fungal, and parasitical cultures situated on the skin and nested in both our hair follicles and skin pores. Additionally, it will act as a natural anti-bacterial and anti-fungal for the RejuvePlex solution itself. Being a water-based solution, the potential for slight mold growth is present, which typically calls for an unnatural preservative that may cause side-effects such as micro-inflammation and allergic reactions when applied topically. Nano-Silver, on the other hand, serves as a natural disinfectant, thus preserving the quality of the RejuvePlex solution. Further information on Colloidal Silver can be found here:

 

Colloidal silver gaining ground as a proven, effective antibiotic remedy

 

Marine Seakelp Bioferment

 

If you’re not familiar with Marine Seakelp Bioferment, in a nutshell, it's derived from seaweed and, as of this writing, is a pretty big deal in the natural cosmetics industry. So, what exactly is all the fuss about?

 

The ocean is chock full of minerals and nutrients that our body and skin needs, and sea kelp is well-known for being a great source of said nutrients. This particular sea kelp contains high amounts of these minerals and nutrients, and, according to our manufacturer, is “fermented by the same microorganisms that convert milk to yogurt” (Source: Sea Kelp | Anti-Aging | Moisturizer | Skin Care | Anti-Aging), such as Lactobacillus.

 

If you suffer from dry skin, you may find that it acts as a potent moisturizer. Additionally, the fermentation procedure alters the composition of the cell contents within the sea kelp into compounds that your skin can recognize and use to create new and healthier compounds within your own cell walls. Now, what does that mean in terms of results? Well, one can expect an increase in collagen and a more youthful look for the skin…but how about for the scalp and hair? Check this thread out:

 

Sea kelp bioferment as scalp treatment - Skin Actives Discussions

 

RejuvePlex contains 5% Marine Seakelp Bioferment, and is most likely the reason as to why RejuvePlex can cause hair to stick together, as it is gelatinous in its raw form. In our opinion, this is well worth the benefit of the inclusion of this active.

 

Lumistor

 

Lumistor’s formal name is L-Hydroproxyline, an amino acid that is a primary constituent of collagen in the skin, connective tissue, and bones. A lack of this particular amino acid can result in a loss of skin moisture, and a reduction in the proliferation of epidermal cells. Used both orally and topically, Lumistor is said to enhance skin firmness and elasticity. There is some further information on Lumistor available at the following links:

 

A Skin-Win Situation | Nutritional Outlook

 

http://www.kyowa-usa.com/assets/files/aminoscope/Aminoscope-Spring2006.pdf

 

Seveov

 

Some of you may remember the topical trial that we did with Naturex’s Seveov liquid Maca extract... Unfortunately, there was a fatal error in that trial that resulted in a much weaker solution than is necessary to attain results. We were instructed to use far less than 1% of the Seveov per bottle of solution, which in reality is actually the percentage that would be used if we were to blend the pure powder form as opposed to the liquid form. The form that we use is a liquid extract, and as such, needs to be considerably more concentrated (@ 2%) to yield positive results.

 

As for how Seveov works—it is an extract derived from Peruvian Maca that, in an in vitro study, was found to increase collagen synthesis by 46% and enhance integrin synthesis by 54%, which in turn provides a boost to the cellular adhesion mechanism while also improving the density of the basal layer’s lattice. In layman’s terms, this helps to slow down and diminish signs of skin-related aging.

 

As for hair benefits, an in vitro study found that it stimulates hair growth by 93% as a result of 4 simultaneous actions, which can be read about at the following link:

 

Naturex - Seveov™

 

Puresterol

 

For those that remember HairGen, it was a topical that we were working on for some time that, unfortunately, never came to fruition. One of the key ingredients that we were excited about including in the formulation was a liquid Pueraria Mirifica extract known as Puresterol, created by Dr. Sandford Schwartz (Dr. Sandy). Many of you may not be familiar with Dr. Sandy, but he’s actually one of the bigger names in the alternative medical field. In fact, Dr. Sandy introduced Dr. Atkins to alternative medicine, which eventually led to Atkins’ development of the “Atkins Diet”.

 

When applied topically, Puresterol (at the proper formula ratio) has been shown to not only initiate regrowth and increase hair density, but to restore hair color as well! More in-depth information on Puresterol can be found at the following links:

 

http://www.puresterol.com/articles/HSI_SEPT07.pdf

 

Puresterol

 

The key component in Pueraria Mirifica that makes it such an incredibly effective herb is Miroestrol. This substance assists not only in helping hair to maintain its natural color, but has also been known to halt hair loss, fight wrinkles, and reduce sagging skin. Sounds pretty far-out, but here is how it all works…

 

Miroestrol directly modulates estrogen receptors, and estrogen receptors influence the various estrogens in our bodies. These influenced estrogens then dictate how we age and what symptoms of aging that we experience, which can include (but are not limited to) loss of bone density, break-down of collagen, loss of skin elasticity, loss of hair pigment, and hair loss. Researchers have identified at least two types of estrogen receptors, known respecively as the alpha and beta receptors. Each receptor has a number of different functions unique unto itself, and it is the estrogen receptors that confer different effects on specific organs.

 

And, returning back to miroestrol...

 

The miroestrol molecule can positively control or modulate the actions of estrogen receptors, either by inhibiting the “bad” ones, or by activating the “good” ones. For example, the beta estrogen receptor stimulates an increase in nitric oxide production, which dilates your blood vessels and results in a healthy increase in blood flow. It appears to preserve the action of hair pigment-producing enzymes, and promotes the regeneration of tissue.

 

Throughout the aging process, our bodies thrive on less activity of estrogen receptor "alpha", and require more activity from estrogen receptor "beta". This is the case for both men and women.

 

Pharmaceutical companies are constantly searching for patentable (aka "synthetic') estrogen-like molecules to affect the activity of estrogen receptors. The problem is, they are always toxic and carry a risk of side-effects.

 

Question--Why take an unsafe drug, when there is already a natural and effective plant-derived molecule available?

 

Miroestrol is derived from the root of Pueraria Mirifica of Thailand. The local people of Thailand frequently consume the root in their food and, as a result, are rarely afflicted with hormone-related degenerative diseases such as bone loss, breast, and prostate cancers. Miroestrol is virtually identical to the beneficial human estrogen known as estriol, which preferentially activates the beta-receptors. These actions are responsible for all of the anti-aging effects mentioned earlier.

 

Copper Tri-Peptide1

 

If you’ve been following hair loss at all over the years, then you’re no stranger to the idea of Copper peptides being used for both anti-aging and hair loss purposes. However, what we’ve seen to date in most products (though not all...) is the usage of Copper Gluconate or a cheap peptide derivative.

 

The reason?

 

Copper Tri-Peptides are expensive when utilized in both the right form and the right percentage in formula. Copper Tri-Peptides are powerful compounds that serve to both promote and stimulate collagen and elastin production in the skin, which may result in improvements to both the firmness and elasticity of skin. In layman’s terms, copper tri-peptides have the potential to reduce sagging skin and fine wrinkle lines which, in turn, restores a more youthful appearance to one’s skin.

 

Additionally, Copper Tri-Peptides can be of further benefit through its unique ability to gradually diminish scar tissue. Ultimately, inflammation is what drives a hair follicle bulb to shrink and swell (bruise). In turn, the surrounding tissue is replaced with hardened fibrotic (scar) tissue. This fibrotic tissue, combined with calcification of arteries, leads to the closing up a hair follicle which serves to increase the surface area of one’s “baldness”. Copper Tri-Peptides may assist in removing this scar tissue while also remodeling the protective skin barrier used as a protectant against inflammation (thus offering some potential for regrowth). Some further information on Copper Tri-Peptides may be found at the following links:

 

6th World Congress for Hair Research - Copper-conjugated synthetic tripeptide (Alotide) stimulating the growth of hair dermal papilla cell

 

The Life Extension Foundation Forums

 

Medscape: Medscape Access

 

View topic - Copper Peptides - Smart Skin Care

 

PhytoCellTec Malus Domestica

 

PhytoCellTec Malus Domestica (to those who have followed potential hair loss solutions over the years) is more well-known as a form of "apple stem cells". The two biggest hurdles with past apple stem cell products of the past included expensive cost and the unfortunate lack of an effective delivery system.

 

Enter: PhytoCellTec Malus Domestica

 

PhytoCellTec Malus Domestica is derived from a rare breed of Swiss apple stem cells, and undergoes a liposomal emulsion process to greatly enhance its ability to permeate our skin membranes.

 

For more detailed information as to what stem cells are, as well as how apple stem cells may pertain to our health, we highly recommend the following link:

 

Stem cells - An apple a day

 

PhytoCellTec Malus Domestica assists in slowing down the degradation of skin stem cells, which results in a longer lifespan for said skin cells. In layman’s terms, this slows down aging symptoms! As it pertains to hair, PhytoCellTec Malus Domestica significantly extends the anagen (growing) phase of hair, resulting in less hair fallout, and more hair on our heads...the longer that the our hair follicle stays alive, the longer that our hair will get:

 

PhytoCellTec Malus Domestica - plant stem cell extract

 

Essentially, we have epigenetic factors (meaning "building blocks, life energy, etc." located in the cytoplasm of the stem cell) that transfer to adult human stem cells, with PhytoCellTec Malus Domestica working to optimize the performance of said adult epidermal skin cells. This action does not stimulate the growth of human stem cells per se, and does not directly have a chemical/physiological impact, but what it does do is nutrify and stimulate the current skin stem cells to perform optimally. PhytoCellTec Malus Domestica is "filled with the good stuff" that adult skin stem cells need so that said cells perform at an optimal level. The result is finer skin, diminished wrinkles, and potentially more hair on our heads.

 

Further information can be found at the following URLs:

 

http://www.mib-bio.com/pdfs/Stimuli_for_Skin_Stem_Cells_for_Real_Skin_Rejuvenation_HPC_Anti-Aging_Beauty_Inside_April_09.pdf

 

Epidermal stem cells are retained in vivo throughout skin aging

 

GSP-T

 

GSP-T is a liposomal preparation of Swiss grape procyanidins and oil-soluble natural tocopherols that helps to protect hair against physical and chemical stresses such as ultra-violet rays, chemicals, hair dryers, and so forth. In addition, GSP-T offers anti-inflammatory and anti-glycation properties (glycation contributes to skin aging and deterioration of existing collagen), and protects dyed hair color from fading, along with assisting in maintaining one's natural hair color.

 

The tocopherol side of this compound is absorbed into the hair shaft, which serves to increase the health of said shaft and the conditioning effect, in turn reducing the amount of overall hair damage from the aforementioned environmental stresses and factors. For further information on GSP-T, check out the following URLs:

 

GSP-T hair - Antioxidants from grape seeds protect hair against free radicals - Swiss made active cosmetic ingredients by Mibelle AG Biochemistry, Switzerland ??? the partner to the cosmetic industry

 

TRI-K Products : GSP-T

 

http://www.in-cosmeticsasia.com/ExhibitorLibrary/59/Brochure_GSP-T_Skin_NEW_2.pdf

 

Nano-Lipobelle DN CoQ10 oA

 

Nano-Lipobelle DN CoQ10 oA is essentially a liposomal form of topical Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10). CoQ10 is well-known for its benefits for the cardiovascular symptom when taken in the right form internally; however, what we haven’t heard much about are the benefits when applied topically.

 

CoQ10 plays a number of important roles in the body, including (but not limited to) being an important component of energy metabolism within our bodies’ cells, free radical scavenging activity, and protection against signs of aging. The result is a stimulation of collagen production along with rejuvenation of skin by stimulation of mitochondrial activity. This benefits hair by re-energizing hair follicles and, due to its liposomal nature, penetrates into the hair bulb which may affect actual proliferation of hair bulb growth. In layman’s terms, that means that this active has regrowth potential! Additionally, Ultraviolet Ray-induced DNA depletion is reduced as Nano-Lipobelle DN CoQ10 oA assists in protecting skin DNA from Ultraviolet radiation.

 

Nano-Lipobelle S100/PA

 

While the majority of the actives in this formula are geared toward improving the quality and quantity of new hair growth, Nano-Lipobelle S100/PA instead focuses on improving and maintaining the quality of hair that is there to begin with.

 

Nano-Lipobelle S100/PA is a cationic liposome that contains large amounts of D-Panthenol. D-Panthenol is also known as "pro-vitamin B5", and is fairly common in the cosmetical industry, with this particular compound sticking out due to its cationic liposomal nature. The properties possessed by D-Panthenol include: increased moisturization of the skin, increased skin elasticity and softness, anti-inflammatory and skin soothing ability, and the potential to stimulate epithelisation (skin formation) while also healing minor wounds, amongst a myriad of other benefits which can be further read about at the following URL:

 

http://www.dsm.com/en_US/downloads/dnpsa/D_Panthenol.pdf

 

Hair benefits include protection against environmental factors, repair of hair (think “split ends” and other forms of damaged hair), and increased hair thickness/density. More information on Nano-Lipobelle S100/PA can be found at the official URL for the active below:

 

Nano-Lipobelle S100/PA - liposome with D-panthenol for hair care

 

Epicalmin TCM

 

Epicalmin TCM is a blend of traditional chinese medicine with modern science that serves to both rejuvenate and repair skin. Due to various environmental and internal factors, our bodies go through what is referred to as chronic inflammaging; a low-grade inflammation that our bodies consistently yet silently endure in the background--a major cause of premature aging:

 

A Novel View of Inflammaging

 

Epicalmin TCM combats chronic inflammaging via a number of pathways, including reinforcing the skin’s self-protection mechanism against dehydration, oxidative stress that leads to free radical formation, and degradation of the extra-cellular matrix. Additionally, keratinocytes MMP-1 (Matrix Mellaproteinase-1), MMP-3, and MMP-9 are down-regulated. By modulating these pathways and keratinocytes, overall inflammation is reduced, which results in skin that ages better, healthier hair growth, and a reduction in hair loss. Further information on Epicalmin TCM can be found at the following link:

 

http://www.in-cosmeticsasia.com/ExhibitorLibrary/59/Brochure_EpiCalmin_TCM_2.pdf

 

AquaCacteen

 

When looking into AquaCacteen, we asked the manufacturer to sum up their thoughts on this active in a few words, and the reply was—“Aloe on steroids.” The common and intended denominator between the majority of actives in RejuvePlex is both inflammation management and mitigation, as modulating these factors will result in both a reduction in skin aging and hair loss.

 

AquaCacteen is derived from the prickly pear fruit and, as a result, is rich in flavones, vitamins, antioxidants, minerals, and piscidic acid. It is no slacker in the area of inflammation management, and does so by blocking “the release of stress markers from sensory nerve cells in the skin” in addition to providing a large amount of hydration due to its “high content of water-binding compounds” that results in both a calming and soothing effect for inflamed and irritated skin. In addition to inflammation reduction and skin hydration, AquaCacteen also exhibits a firming effect on the skin (opposes skin “sagging”), and provides further protection against environmental stresses. Further information on AquaCacteen can be found at the following link:

 

http://www.in-cosmeticsasia.com/ExhibitorLibrary/59/Brochure_AquaCacteen_Ficus_Indica_2.pdf

I wanted to amend this thread with something I discovered recently. The fish oil I have been taking seems to have made my scalp/hair extremely oily. I have never had oily hair and believe me when I tell you, it has been VERY oily after about 6 weeks on fish oil. I stopped the fish oil now for about a week and my hair/scalp is just starting to recover. I am not saying everyone will react this way to it but I sure did. The rest of the above protocol is working beutifully for me.

As I said. Brand is HUGE factor in fish oil.

What type of fish oil are you taking?

Have you tried Krill fish? Its 6x more absorbable than regular fish oil. Not to mention studies have shown that alot of these companies are selling rancid fish oil

It might be worth experimenting with topical colostrum.

Low Sex Hormone Binding Globulin a Marker for MPB

 

Steven_Tyler Today at 2:32 pm

J Am Acad Dermatol. 2011 Apr 19.

 

Sex hormone-binding globulin and risk of hyperglycemia in patients with androgenetic alopecia.

 

Arias-Santiago S, Guti?rrez-Salmer?n MT, Buend?a-Eisman A, Gir?n-Prieto MS, Naranjo-Sintes R.

 

Source

 

Dermatology Unit, San Cecilio University Hospital, Granada, Spain.

 

BACKGROUND:

Low circulating levels of sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) are a strong predictor of the risk of type 2 diabetes. Androgenetic alopecia (AGA) has been related to an increase in cardiovascular risk, but the mechanism of this association has not been elucidated. AGA can be associated with low levels of SHBG and insulin resistance, which could be related to hyperglycemia and type 2 diabetes.

 

OBJECTIVE:

The objective of this study was to evaluate SHBG and blood glucose levels in men and women with early-onset AGA and control subjects to determine whether low levels of SHBG are associated with hyperglycemia.

 

METHODS:

This case-control study included 240 patients consecutively admitted to the outpatient clinic (Dermatology Department of San Cecilio University Hospital, Granada, Spain), 120 with early-onset AGA (60 men and 60 women) and 120 control subjects (60 men and 60 women) with skin diseases other than alopecia.

 

RESULTS:

Of patients with AGA, 39.1% presented with hyperglycemia (>110 mg/dL) versus 12.5% of controls (P < 0.0001). AGA patients with hyperglycemia or diabetes presented lower significant levels of SHBG than alopecic patients without hyperglycemia or type 2 diabetes, respectively. Patients with AGA and hyperglycemia presented significantly lower levels of SHBG than controls with hyperglycemia (22.3 vs 39.4 nmol/L for AGA patients and controls, respectively, P = .004). No significant differences in SHBG levels were noticed between patients and controls without hyperglycemia. Binary logistic regression showed a strong association between lower SHBG levels and glucose levels greater than 110 mg/dL in patients with AGA even after additional adjustment for sex, abdominal obesity, and free testosterone (odds ratio = 3.35; 95% confidence interval = 1.9-5.7; P < .001).

 

LIMITATIONS:

The study of a wider sample of AGA patients would confirm these findings and would permit analysis of the pathogenic mechanisms underlying the increase in cardiovascular risk in patients with AGA.

 

CONCLUSION:

An association between early-onset AGA, hyperglycemia/diabetes, and low levels of SHBG was observed in the current study. Low levels of SHBG could be a marker of insulin resistance and hyperglycemia/diabetes in patients with AGA.

 

 

I said before. Just another study that confirms it. Correlation between MPB and low SHBG.

Stop listening to what you hear in the News. MPB isn't a black and White issue. Its more than just DHT.

There's no evidence that caffeine in normal everyday quantities is bad for hair growth:

 

Is Tea or Coffee Bad for Your Hair? - Balding Blog

Caffeine is in coffee.. Caffeine raises cortisol levels. High Cortisol levels increase DHT.

But Its alright to drink coffee in the morning. Cause it has little effect on insulin. But if you drink coffee during lunch and dinner your insulin will spike and this will effect your hair. So in short. Coffee is alright in the morning but no later.

No. Caffeine internally is bad for hair. Topically it is beneficial

seems to me this drug is not worth the risk esp when i get clicking joints like a man of 80 makes my joints feel like there about to pop out of place also my girlfriend says i now get up and get out the car like an old man im only 34 all down to fin and its long list of dodgy sides

Perhaps you should stay on prepcia and start taking things to counteract the side effects. Things like broccoli.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The side effects experienced in men is higher than everyone thinks.

J Cataract Refract Surg. 2011 May 7. [Epub ahead of print]

Finasteride-associated cataract and intraoperative floppy-iris syndrome.

Wong AC, Mak ST.

 

From the Department of Ophthalmology (Wong), Union Hospital, and the Department of Ophthalmology (Mak), Caritas Medical Centre, Hong Kong.

 

A 47-year-old man who had been using finasteride for male pattern alopecia for 4 years complained of progressive bilateral blurring of vision. His general health had been good, and he was not on any other long-term medication. Examination showed bilateral anterior subcapsular cataracts. Phacoemulsification and insertion of intraocular lenses were performed, and both eyes showed features of intraoperative floppy-iris syndrome (IFIS), including undulation and billowing of the iris, iris prolapse, and pupil constriction. We believe the use of finasteride can be associated with cataract formation and IFIS. Ophthalmologists and physicians prescribing finasteride should be aware of this possible association. FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE: Neither author has a financial or proprietary interest in any material or method mentioned.

Interesting..First time I heard of this.

Its by perfect image solutions. 15% minox with 5% azelaic acid.

Hesitant to use. I would never buy that high of a solution of minox. But I figured I would use it up. I would actually be more interested in there other product. 5% minox 15% azelaic acid combo they have..But I'll wait till this is gone. I guess what I'm getting at is anyone experienced with 15% minox? Remember I won't be using it pass this bottle so figure no real harm to blood pressure in a 1 months use?