JayLDD

19 hours ago, timcfc said:

Thank you for this mockup. And @transplantedphil

 

I'm not keen on travelling for this and I am ok paying the UK tax. It is perfect time for me now as well given I am able to work from home and won't be returning to the office until October.

I should probably have expanded on that sentence but it is not just about style. I would be happy even keeping the same style (with fringe) even after the transplant. For me, it's about the confidence and improving upon something which has for most of my life been an issue to me.

I intend on contacting the clinic with this information tomorrow. I want to find out from the surgeon why this was done, especially given his reputation.

I place emphasize on this and think most would agree, it’s not merely about a U.K. tax, the surgeons there aren’t at the level of others including in Europe globally. The difference between even top surgeons is large. 
 

This is a serious surgical procedure,  when saying you just want to improve your confidence you’re drastically oversimplifying what you’re engaging in. The hairline they drew would have quite made you a repair patient if they performed the surgery as such. 
 

If you are looking for confidence, then travel for a surgeon like Freitas in Spain who will most likely make your hairline look like an art piece. Understand clearly you can come out looking worse even with legitimate surgeons.

Put in another vote for avoid this clinic like the plague and look elsewhere. This hairline is an absolute disaster and any clinic that even in consultation would consider this is worth avoiding.

It can be lower and more youthful with less recession than some in this thread are posting, but your design is a female hairline.

Look at hairline clinics like that of Dr. Freitas in Spain, if you have the money for a U.K. clinic then you have much better options. Perhaps too far to travel but Hasson in Canada does probably the most youthful and dense hairlines globally.

This clinic doesn’t deserve your time or money. I wouldn’t consult them further.

1 hour ago, Guano said:

Heres an update, it was 5 months yesterday.

I'm a bit worried as its looking very bare at the moment, does not look anything near 1500 grafts at the moment, feels more like 500? 

Starting to have some serious doubts about the transplant.. 

No offense but photos of a hair transplant in this incredibly harsh bathroom lighting is worthless and only forces a bad looking result. My result would look terrible in this lighting too. Virtually 99% of hair transplant patients would have a bad result under this lighting.

Take photos from slightly further away firstly as (almost) no one is going to ever see you from this close up, secondly only take photos in regular lighting as you'd have in the kitchen or sunlight, not directly under harsh bathroom light. 

I'm going to guess it would look decent for 5 months at a normal angle/distance and in normal lighting.

2 hours ago, Panamera13 said:

Having used it personally, I'll never touch it again. Had horrible libido side effects, I'm glad I'm off of it; things are back to normal ( Search for PFS on forums and it will scare you).  There was a poll done by Melvin or Bill sometime back on Fin usage and many users reported side effects. I'd trust the replies on this forum then some pharma propaganda.  People who don't have side effects - they're lucky.

BTW: Donald trump also takes fin (his medical report was public and someone posted it here.) 

I personally experienced sides after using for more than 2 years also, prior to that noticed nothing at all. I used to recommend basically anyone get on the drug, a few negative experiences with Tinder girls and a period of continuing issues even in the few months after getting off is enough for me to say that the vast majority of people shouldn’t take it. I see less risk in a cheap transplant with a decent clinic like Cinik’s in Turkey than finasteride, and my sides weren’t even that bad compared to what others had.

Id basically recommend everyone budget and account for a long term approach to multiple transplants, potentially FUT being ideal if the patient has a larger than average balding area.

5 hours ago, Badresults said:

Then I think you should really start putting a ratting on all the doctors here. I know some of the doctors are doing really good job and it’s not fair for them when you have one doctor or any other doctor who has been delivering bad results and with the way the clinic behave with their patient.

This would help future patients who come here to seek for guidances before selecting the doctor. 

A rating wouldn't be fair and its disrespectful between surgeons. Different surgeons excel at different things. They should just cut the cord when they have specific examples like this that warrant it.

3 hours ago, California said:

Melvin,

I honestly feel that this thread has become a breeding ground for "free for all....bash Dr. Bhatti" . Questions are being raised about Dr. Bhatti's  competence as an HT Surgeon and even his membership on this forum here. Recently, this forum was even accused of corruption. When I asked for proof, nothing....silence! Talk is so cheap. Accusations are easy to throw around. A few "not so good HT results" are being used and abused to put pressure on this highly reputed forum to act against an HT Surgeon, who has been a highly reputed Surgeon for the past 28 years! Keep in mind the fact that many of film stars from Bollywood and the Pollywood (Punjab film industry) make Dr. Bhatti their first choice for HT. These are folks for whom cost is not an issue......the end result are. Food for thought!

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watterot, we hear your concerns loud and clear. Here is what I am a bit confused about. As per Dr. Bhatti, you are in constant contact with him via email and WhatsApp. You have agreed to come back to the Clinic after the lockdown is over in India (after June 1st) for a follow up visit. Is that not the case? If yes, then I would humbly request you to not make a final judgement on whether or not Dr. Bhatti is willing to back you up and take care of your HT aspirations. I agree with you that there is a spot that didn't seem to get any grafts planted. I am not a doctor and won't try to justify anything. From a layman (who also had 4 HT procedures done) point of view, maybe a better plan would have been to just focus on the hairline and the mid-scalp area and leave the crown for a future time (if and when you chose to do that).
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JayLDD, you have said, "I don't say this lightly, but I am 100% sure that if I trained for less than a month I could produce equivalent results". Really? Well, I wish it was so easy to become a doctor and a surgeon. So, going with that logic, if you train for 2 months, then you might be able to do a heart surgery or a brain surgery. Right? You are talking "lightly" about a Surgeon with 28 years of plastic surgery experience and thousands of successful cases. A few 'not to good results' and 'anyone' can do a "better" job than him! Let's ALL become Surgeons.....takes just 1 MONTH!!!
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Badresults....quoting you, "Also, when you tell the patient rep, that you would lodge a report for criminal case, they can even suggest you its not a good idea, because in India it is known that everyone can get away by paying money to the authorities".....
YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS NOT TRUE. So, unfortunate that you decided to twist my words. After speaking with you over the phone for over an hour, this is what you got from that conversation? Why the untruth? Did I not repeatedly tell you that you should do what you think is good and feasible for you. You said that you would like to file a police case and I said that you should absolutely do what you like. In passing, I shared my opinion about the legal system in India (IN GENERAL). Now you make it sound as if I was trying to discourage you from doing whatever you would like to do. So, for the record, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT YOU THINK IS GOOD FOR YOU AND FEASIBLE FOR YOU. PLEASE. WE LIVE IN A FREE WORLD. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU THINK IS GOOD FOR YOU.

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Yake, you said, "Bhatti needs to improve his work as he is neither offering refund nor giving free repairs". 
With all due respect, I have to disagree. We offered a full "redo" (not just repair) HT to Badresults. He decided to decline that offer (I respect this opinion and reasons for doing that). We were not able to offer a refund (as would be the case with 99% of reputed HT Clinics, worldwide). So, the assumption that we are not willing to backup our Patients is not accurate.

All the best,

California

"JayLDD, you have said, "I don't say this lightly, but I am 100% sure that if I trained for less than a month I could produce equivalent results". Really? Well, I wish it was so easy to become a doctor and a surgeon. So, going with that logic, if you train for 2 months, then you might be able to do a heart surgery or a brain surgery. Right? You are talking "lightly" about a Surgeon with 28 years of plastic surgery experience and thousands of successful cases. A few 'not to good results' and 'anyone' can do a "better" job than him! Let's ALL become Surgeons.....takes just 1 MONTH!!!"

I'm not saying I should do it, what I am saying is that I *could* do it. I don't think I should be performing brain surgeries, nor hair transplants after two months,  and I don't think that a clinic that implants this sloppily should be recommended here. Total false equivalence and ignoring of the fact that the surgeries here aren't up to the level of other clinics on this forum.

When I look at a result like this, the proposition of a "redo" by the same clinic is meaningless. If I had no knowledge of the clinic or doctor and someone posted this post/pre-op, I and anyone else here with knowledge of what other clinics are doing would claim this doctor shouldn't be performing surgery, when I look at post-ops like this I feel like I'm looking at a clinic that's set up shop basically as a scam operation. 

I don't think its fair on the other quality surgeons recommended here to have work like this on the same list as them. Add that to criminal actions by a "representative" and its well over the limit.

21 minutes ago, Badresults said:

@JayLDD  I 100% agree with you. If you look at this forum, Dr.Bhatti has more bad results from his procedure than any other recommended doctor on this forum. Speaking from my results and experiences dealing with this doctor, typically he shows lack of interest in his post op follow up, and when things don't go right, he would not take the blame or try to put the blame on the patient. If you look at his patient rep Shera reply on my first post here, he was trying to tell that I wasn't a right candidate for HT and I was trying to slander the image of this lousy doctor. 

And the behaviour of his clinic, where they would try to shut you down when you speak against them just show what kind of ethic do this clinic practice. When they got caught, his reply was he did not know what his patient rep did just like when you ask him what went wrong on his procedure, he would only say he don't know and he can't answer. This shows what kind of doctor is Tejinder Bhatti.

Looking at the link below you can see how lightly he takes his job. His poor planning, his answers seems to be uninterested in replying to the patient. And how could he say that taking finestride will grow the hair!!!!??? LMAO this is probably the worst answer I have heard from a so called top surgeon. 

Just as how you are amazed, I'm still amazed how this doctor is a recommended doctor here on this forum. When you see the reply from their patient rep, they often talk how great human he is, how their entire neighbourhood  had surgery with him etc and choose to ignore the real serious problem. The longer he is the recommended doctor here, the more patients will get results like this.

You're right, I think its blatantly obvious they shouldn't be recommended and those experienced can see that. Its a bad look for any other surgeons recommended here or those that would consider looking to be recommended. Everyone has preferences and there are surgeons on this forum that are more conservative and some more aggressive, this however is just consistently subpar work.

Over years and years and probably seeing over a hundred of his results, I have felt that Bhatti's results fell below the standards of I suspect virtually every other surgeon recommended by this forum. I see more bad results than good from his clinic and even the best results fall below the average of top clinics. Anyone with a discerning eye and appreciation of what other clinics achieve can see from post-ops that the density he places at falls below acceptable standards. I don't say this lightly, but I am 100% sure that if I trained for less than a month I could produce equivalent results. It appears to me nothing but laziness and an lack of desire to push themselves to high standards that so many clinics consistently deliver. 

Look at the placement in case like this. Its just totally unacceptable for any clinic in 2020. Poor growth is one thing, amateurish placement and consistently below-par density is enough to show this clinic shouldn't be recommended.

Considering the other complaints of clinic ethics and blackmail from their employee, I seriously do not believe they should be recommended on this forum. A "representative" acting in this way would result in the company getting sued if this occurred in the United States, its not good enough to merely say they have severed ties. The fact that in a situation where a clinic representative acts criminally towards a patient and subsequently refuses to refund is a hundred nails in the coffin. 

I hope others can acknowledge this too.

1 hour ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Please stop interacting with trolls who’ve created several accounts. 

You’re right 

1 hour ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

1 hour ago, Lun said:

Yes you lil prick keep banning people for telling the truth. End of the day wheather i say something or not people can judge for themselves

You went from this:

To this:

And are saying that ASMED has put you in a position where you feel suicidal. Go to a therapist and tell them your situation, show them the before/afters and see what they tell you in reference to your comments about feeling suicidal because of this. Look at Lorenzo cases for Norwood 6s with similar situations to yourself and see how many grafts it took to get them to a position of full looking density and perfect coverage. 

You aren't helping anyone with your comments because they're hysterical and coming from a place of poor mental health. Most importantly, your comments and mindset aren't helping yourself because you're not in a particularly bad position regardless, nor one that significantly below any reasonable expectation. You were never a one and done and with a similar yield to what you had in your first procedure would likely get results that anyone would consider life changing with a graft number that poses no risk to your long term donor management. Is a second procedure truly something to feel suicidal about? Absolutely not, a few more plane flights, another surgery and 12 grand is absolutely nothing in comparison to how you're reacting.

On 5/25/2020 at 2:28 AM, Der3k7 said:

No I think he was saying that instead of me doing the 5000 grafts with Erdogan I should have been good with 2500 assuming the yield was better than what I had with the 5000. 

Those pics you posted were a skin fade in the donor area that's why it looked like so much skin. My donor with hair grown out now looks like this. Also my first art as procedure was actually about 1800 in the hairline and 300 on my beard not 2500 in my hairline 

Yeah maybe I didn't write it well but I was referring to the second procedure not the ARTAS when I said 2500 each crown and frontal. Tbh I'd be a nervous on another FUE procedure looking at any of those photos. I'd probably raise the potential of FUT with HnW if you're going to grow your donor a little longer like it is in these pics. Definitely don't think you get away with anything close to a skin fade even currently.

I do think Couto is getting some of the best results in the world via FUE and doing so fairly consistently, but obviously they aren't posting any duds on their social media and there aren't nearly as many patient posted results as a lot of other well known clinics.

Also I totally agree with your point on finasteride and had a similar experience, no reason to try it again.  Also agree that its a very small amount of grafts in the hairline to get what you want. I'd consider Konior in the US in your situation.

4 minutes ago, Kraistoff said:

I do not think you can cut your hair really short when you have high contrast between hot and skin and expect it to look full . 
 

@JayLDD  and @Yaz89 how short can you cut yourS?

Its not that short on top,  but this is maybe a week after the standard cut I get after the second procedure

I think this second pic is about a week after a cut also but you can see roughly how short the sides are.

The first pic of mine I don't think is a huge amount longer than your hair is here on top, actually very similar so you should definitely expect full coverage at this length.

1 minute ago, BenChod said:

Below is 2 months ago before i shaved it. Thats what i mean by growing it so long that it covers all the crap erdogan pissed on me with.

Talk about an unintentionally hilarious comment. Sorry, but get a grip.

8 minutes ago, BenChod said:

Multiple accounts because i got banned everytime i said anything. And im not even comparing my result to yaz

"Why cant you just say ok cool i had a great result (meanng you) but you know what they messsed up on this one."

You *literally* made a comparison here. I recommend you find cases of patients with the same balding pattern of you and see how many grafts it took to get full coverage, then compare your results to them. 

Look up Dr. Lorenzo who has a huge wealth of visible high norwood results and Dr. Zarev, find patients with similar situations to yourself prior to surgery. I can assure you, your reaction is no way justified compared to potential and expectation. I think more grafts should have been placed in your hairline, but you had 5000 grafts and the yield looks reasonable for the most part. There are patients with less balding area than you had who have significantly more grafts all the time to achieve an ideal result. 

1 hour ago, BenChod said:

Firstly i feel very insulted that you assumed i came of finasteride as if im at fault here not them.Im ocd theres no way id come of it. I remember an asmed case where sone guy came of finesteride you might be mistaking me for that. Secondly what ever the result was at 6 months that was it..my result basically came through very early but didnt improve because most the grafts didnt make it. And yeh those pics look awsome why? Because i had so much native hair i can even now grow it out so much that it can covet the bad work. Why cant you just say ok cool i had a great result (meanng you) but you know what they messsed up on this one. Even if i had a great result and saw the clinic mess other people up id i wouldnt be defending them or trying to find other reasons why its bad. People who get good results from asmed turn into asmed staff... they just cannot accept they messing people up. What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Yaz89 had roughly 4k grafts in the frontal third and maybe 1k in the midscalp and crown. He had a significantly narrower balding area and had an emerging NW 5 pattern but was roughly a NW3-4 with a reasonable midscalp and good crown. His temples were still very strong.

You have a wider balding area, and an emerging NW6 pattern in an unconvential balding pattern that doesn't fit into either scales. Your crown is almost completely bare and your remaining native hair at the front was cosmetically insignificant. Maybe 1k healthy grafts worth.  Your balding area is MASSIVELY bigger than Yaz's was. Your balding area is also significantly bigger than that of the average hair transplant patient.

I can assure you Farsan, that 95% of people with your balding area are not getting full ideal coverage in a single procedure. Your hairline is clearly lacking in density and you didn't achieve full coverage, but you're dealing with a massive balding area and a graft number that is comparatively small to what is required to fill it. To expect a one and done, is quite frankly totally absurd.

From looking here, its obvious that the hairline density isn't very high and behind it is a bit thin. Ultimately however, you have a fairly aggressive and aesthetic looking hairline and good coverage behind it. Even in your initial post you talked about a potential second procedure. 

You also made multiple (three?) accounts from what I can tell for no other reason than to make it appear like more people from the clinic are having problems than actually are. No one with your result from another clinic would be complaining in the way you are especially if they're offered a free touchup to a result that already matched the amount of grafts you had for the area. Again, comparing your result to that of Yaz is utterly ridiculous and shows you don't care about objectivity or realistic expectations. 

I'd want more density in the front if I were you also, but you clearly didn't have a huge amount of grafts in the front considering how large your balding area was. There are multiple Hasson cases with 3500 grafts in an area 1/4 of your balding area. That is the reality.  

"And yeh those pics look awsome why? Because i had so much native hair i can even now grow it out so much that it can covet the bad work."

And to this comment:

No, you clearly didn't have "so much native hair".  You did however have a gigantic balding area that isn't a one and done with 5k grafts.

I can't remember the name of the doctor, but there was a post on this forum a few days ago with a surgeon doing FUE graft numbers over 10k grafts, many of those patients had less area to cover than you did.

12 minutes ago, Yaz89 said:

Jay how did the crown grafts turn out? When did you start noticing the growth? And did you feel any significant changes in the crown after the 18 months?

Extremely happy with it, although if it’s damp or I brush it so it doesn’t layer it looks thinnish. Otherwise basically perfect, which is lucky considering I’ve been off finasteride for over a year.

Do think the crown took a bit longer to develop, but at a year it was probably around the final result. Maybe 5 months and then a slow improvement up to 12.

5 hours ago, splitting hairs said:

Ok so given your dry before pictures, I think it was absolutely the wrong choice to transplant 5000 grafts for you.  I think it is poor planning from Dr Erdogan given your young age, the potential future hair loss and given that you are not taking finasteride.  I would also say that it is unethical because the approach does not have your long term interests in mind.

You should really have been asked to start low dose finasteride (1mg three times a week) to minimise side effects and halt your hair loss and then potentially a 2500 graft procedure to restore the hairline and temple points. 

Now however, I would consult a surgeon who will plan for your long term future such as Dr Lorenzo in spain.  I suspect he would advise low dose finasteride for a year then suggest a small procedure to increase density at the front.

One thing I would say about sexual side effects is that, sometimes the sexual side effects experienced can be due to psychologically expecting them.  For example, when I first started finasteride 12 years ago  I thought I was experiencing erection problems, but really I was just anxious because I was expecting them.  It was the anxiety that was causing them. They went away after I realised this and I've never had a problem since.

Good luck mate, I hope you manage to sort something out.

He's had over 7k grafts, you're complaining that 5k from ASMED was irresponsible yet you're recommending another 2500 grafts via FUE including "restoring" temple points.  I mean, that is just such a ridiculous, laughably oxymoronic thing to suggest. I can virtually guarantee he could get borderline "perfect" results with 1500 grafts, considering his history however I'd be highly suspect that there is potentially psychological reasons for lower than average growth and after two surgeries its unlikely grafts will grow any easier a third time round on scalp that has already been operated on.

If you've seen his results after the ARTAS procedure and consider that it was roughly 2500 in both the hairline and crown, its by no means abnormal.  The yield is well below par with ASMED, but its actually a major improvement when comparing to how he looked after the ARTAS procedure. Most of this guys photos are from indoor lighting in a bathroom, probably the worst place to get a judgement of what people are looking at.

I'm going to compare a few pics since this procedure for my overall judgement:

So what is my point? My point is that whether or not his results are perfect, his DONOR looks equally if not more worrisome at this point than the actual result does in normal circumstances. Closeups in the bathroom mirror with a lens and lighting that accentuates problems aren't the best means for judging acceptability. Every outdoor pic suggests that the growth isn't perfect but the result is decent and looks natural. The donor is worrying, and considering he's had 7k grafts another procedure isn't something to do lightly. Attacking ASMED as being irresponsible then throwing out a suggestion to do another 2500 grafts and take a drug that gave him sexual side effects is to put it lightly, fucking dumb.

As an aside, OPs surgeon did a damn good job on the nose. At some point the risks become higher than potential returns however.

36 minutes ago, bismarck said:

Cosmo: If I need help with any intubations I'll send you a DM!

I suspect from the way you write you come from an incredibly privileged background, the mere assumption you wrote previously of Cosmo being hate filled because he has a different opinion on you on lockdowns itself is delusional and quite sad from someone who tries to put forth a persona that (attempts) to reflect an academic ethos and having opinions dictated by data.

Add up the collective public debt created by previous presidents prior to Obama, It’s not looking drastically different to what a single years deficit might be in the US after this. That’s mere months of damage from lockdown in a country that even prior to this event had debt to GDP at crisis levels. Significant numbers of the population were living paycheck to paycheck before the crisis, future generations and the current younger generation are looking to significantly lower social services for significantly higher costs in terms of tax revenue, including the threat of mandatory inflation through printing currency to counter debt issues.

Individuals nor the government have the ability to deal with this for extended periods, the youth unemployment rate and participation rate currently are horrific to any sensible person. The economic realities for what this would look like in 12 months are scarier than the death rates. Sensible social distancing practices including masks and mandatory self isolation for those with at risk diseases and over 65 strikes a balance between economic reality and saving lives.

I think in a situation like this in which there are no good results and everyone wants the best for their country that it’s the worst time possible to throw around politicized insults without a holistic understanding of consequences to all approaches. If you cannot acknowledge the economic issues, I am not going to call you a terrible person, but you’ve objectively made very clear you have severe Trump derangement syndrome you’re totally out of touch with economic and social reality. And I say that as someone who doesn’t support Trump, my ideal candidate was Yang.

Youre clearly not effected economically, the vast majority of the country and every other country however are. 

As an aside, Cosmo’s conservative memes about the state of the health director shouldn’t offend a single sane individual except in the sense that a woman in that state is a health director. Virtue signaling at its worst, again an easy thing to focus on when you’re totally out of touch with economic realities. A state heath director shouldn’t look like a decaying zombie, get the fuck over it. The signaling to the public it gives is significantly worse than her hurt feelings.

6 hours ago, Clark.Ethan said:

Dude, this guy was making surgery while turning his music and dancing like a prick infront of me. I just share pictures with me, I am not going to share it again. I AM the one who actually made a surery with him. My hairline is NOT looking good. All what I am saying is don't go with Keser. It's too expensive and not worth. I will go with hattingen this summer.

As condescending as it sounds, the only reason you’d aggressively criticize yoir surgeon over your results but not post the them is because you’re upset you didn’t get exactly what you wanted, but you know that others who see your result won’t agree that the result is terrible, and potentially suggest you’re wrong entirely and the result is actually good.

If the result was indisputably terrible, you’d absolutely post it because it’s the best way to attack the doctor rather than merely slagging them off which makes you look like you’re being dishonest. If you want to market that your surgeon is terrible, the best way to do that is with some terrible result photos. Considering you won’t post them, you probably don’t have anything remotely resembling this.

You didn’t share pictures with anyone. If he’s listening to music during surgery as someone working in an incredibly tense work environment with constantly high levels of concentration day in day out, I don’t blame him or any other surgeon for listening to music as long as the results are consistent. If you have problems with this kind of thing or your surgeon being a human being with human emotions, choose the ARTAS. Hattingen are a great clinic however, hopefully you get the results you were looking for.

 

On 4/1/2020 at 7:51 AM, Legend007 said:

Hey guys I need ur help .. I’m attaching the same pics I sent to the clinic .. to me , this is no way 2500 grafts , 5000 hairs.. what’s u guys think? I’m thinking 1800 -2000 max grafts .. the middle section is missing a lot of hair to me .. top two pics are the section that was transplanted . N I never cut the transplanted hair .. just let it grew .. so those are all the hairs ..

it actually looks pretty good , natural .. but the volume is not there .. it’s hard for my hair to stay up .. i feel like I need about 400- 500 more grafts ..

I give it a B overall .. 

I personally agree with your assessment although your standards are obviously very high and you yourself probably know its not realistic for everyone to get a yield of 100%.  Also totally agree with your estimate that 1800-2000 grafts grew, which is common even among good surgeons and by no means terrible. But I get what you mean and why you want more. My result is very good overall but on one side towards the corner where there isn't as much density when the hair grows longer it is harder to make it stand up and it doesn't have the same volume.

I'd probably take it up nicely with the clinic and see if they have the ability to count yield, maybe if they'd be willing to offer a discount on a touchup or something. I'm thinking 600-700ish grafts for density that matches the areas behind it. I would still emphasise though that its a good result, its just a little less impressive to you probably because your hair was in a decent spot prior to surgery, but no matter the patient even for a NW2 its hard to get ideal density in a single pass unless you're lucky.

On 5/12/2020 at 5:01 PM, Clark.Ethan said:

Keser 😂😂 Nice joke bro. Keser is shit :). I just made a surgery with him and I have double grafts in my hairline.

Do you have photos of your results? If you're attacking a surgeon you'd have every reason in the world to show how they look to prove and emphasise that the surgeon did bad work.

Realistically, if Keser is "shit" 99% of the hair transplant surgeons on earth are shit. Every single surgeon including the very best have poor or lower end results, Keser however is at the top end of consistently producing extremely aesthetic hairlines with high yields and good density. Having a few double grafts in your hairline isn't a disaster, hairlines in nature aren't all perfect either.

You even said this before about your result with him, to me it just seems like an emotional overreaction at this point

"Overall first HT was good"

20 hours ago, Shifty said:

I have read somewhere the hair in this instance actually turns into chickens. Good luck. 

The "good luck" really made this comment.

8 hours ago, NYCFUE said:

I’ll start by saying that I absolutely love this forum, it’s been super helpful in my journey.

I decided I am getting a HT this year and I narrowed down my list to Victor Hasson and Raymond Konior. I am in my 30s and need ~2k grafts (FUE) in the hairline and temple points. I feel like I have a solid donor area (but it hasn’t been measured so I don’t really know) and I’ve been on finasteride for half a year.

I know I can’t go wrong with either surgeon, but I wanted to share my impressions of each, and hope you can share your opinion as well.

I want to minimize the risk of a bad/mediocre result and find impressive how Hasson consistently put outs so many great results, especially when the clinic uses techs for extractions. Konior has much fewer results posted, but they seem excellent and he does the extractions, incisions and placement, which I would think minimizes variability.

I like Hasson’s hairline design better (might be in the minority here), but I like Konior’s temple work better. 

Both seem to create extremely natural hairlines, but I think Hasson can dense-pack more a bit more aggressively than Konior (I want good density since it will be the front of the hairline).

I was impressed by a few cases where Konior managed to get so much more coverage than you would think possible for the amount of grafts he used. Hasson performs very clean work, but Konior’s is on another level - his postop pics are almost hard to believe. I know stick and place explains the recipient area, but the donor areas also looks immaculate - I wonder if this actually increases the grafts available for future procedures (less scarring etc).

Travel/money are not restrictions for me at this time.

Which parts of the above do you agree/disagree or what other elements should I consider? Finally, who would you choose in my situation?

I hope you guys are staying safe and sane in these crazy times!

 

 

All of your analysis seems on point and I would agree with everything here. From that though I suspect you would already know ultimately which route you'd prefer then, it also really depends on what your current hair situation is. Best to post photos.

Personally, I would opt for Hasson at your age and with the amount of grafts it sounds like you need. I think his hairlines are slightly more aesthetic in general also. Konior would be my number one choice for anyone that is beyond a NW3.

54 minutes ago, 911fan said:

China is trying to capitalize on their f*ck up by twisting the narrative.. The help to Italy was to gain a foothold so that their new Silk Road project can move forward. Problem is, a large percentage of the supplies they sent are faulty. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52092395

And they're not donating the supplies to other European countries. They're selling them, and much of it is defective.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-money-coronavirus-spain-467-million-faulty-supplies

 

Never forget, the Chinese government is responsible for all of this. No one else. 

It’s hard to believe there are people out there that gravitate to the notion of China sending supplies to Europe (which as you mention are paid for) as an indicator of their governmental goodwill, but ignore the fact that they were aware of the disease for over a month and a half, still reported to the World Health Organisation in mid Jan through Chinese doctors that the disease was likely not able to spread from human to human and kept their borders open to hide the existence of the disease.

Borderline genocidal, of course this isn’t the fault of the Chinese people but it is of their government, supply chains and most especially those for essential medical tech and live saving drugs should be moved away from China despite short term costs. Not to mention a recent threat in Chinese government owned media threatening to let American’s die through by blocking the exportation of life saving drugs due to Anti-Chinese government rhetoric.

Whether or not it is from a lab who knows, but the first known cases never set foot in the talked about fish market and there is ample evidence suggesting it was at least a possibility. Including Chinese government releasing new guidelines and emphasizing intention for improving their lab bio-security. 

On 3/26/2020 at 2:16 AM, bismarck said:

I guess sarcasm doesn't work when most of the forum is non-native English speakers. Yes the wage gap is a myth, that was tongue in cheek. Unfortunately the part about the virus killing men, who tend to be sicker as we age regardless. 

This will ebb in the summer, but then we will be hit by a second wave in the fall.

Sorry guys, this is the new reality. Small business with close, larger corporations will consolidate, socialism will prosper and fingers are going to be pointed.

And oh yeah, a lot of people are going to die. There is a decent chance that someone you know is going to die this year from the disease.

The paradox of contingency: You never can know if you overreacted, but it's absolutely clear when you didn't do enough.

"The paradox of contingency: You never can know if you overreacted, but it's absolutely clear when you didn't do enough."

Actually you can know and by numerous metrics, economic or otherwise.  This "whatever the cost" mentality without intelligent consideration of outcomes to a reaction or cost/benefits is going to ruin lives and economies one way or the other. It all depends on how you define best case results with a set of actions in which all results appear bad and all come with risks. It may be clear you didn't do enough for a particular result, but maybe you inhibited another. 

All a little too political for a hairloss forum maybe, but I can't imagine the industry is doing to well at the moment or many people here are actually having procedures.

Also lol at forcing gender culture war issues into the equation, but the wage gap is most definitely a myth in the manner typically suggested (barring specific cases) and adding hairloss to the equation,, if the government is going to pay for IVF treatment for a couple of Lesbians, gender reassignment surgery or be paying for tampons they should be giving out free finasteride and hair transplants too.

On 3/23/2020 at 4:33 PM, Nogomi said:

I’m 16 and this whole year I have been anxious about hair loss. I don’t have any old pictures to compare to. The hair near the end of my side part seems to be thinning. If I am balding what am I supposed to do. I’m still in high school...

To be totally honest, if I was to bet I would say that yes this is the beginnings of male pattern baldness. I was in a similar situation around 18. It also does appear that the hair is visibly thinning, not naturally recessed. Obviously I don’t know for sure, nor do I know how much further it could recess, potentially that could be all of it for now. 

At your age the best you can likely do is consult a hair transplant surgeon in person and get them to check for miniaturization. In terms of treatment, nizoral shampoo a few times a week and minoxidil are those front temples and the crown may help.

It sounds bad, but I would at least keep hair transplants in the back of your mind for later down the track. Hopefully by the time you’re in your 20s hairloss treatment will have improved somewhat.