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Everything posted by JayLDD

  1. Sounds like the doctor you're considering is incompetent or misleading you. I'd recommend sending an online consult to Hasson and Wong and getting their opinion as one example of a top clinic that is skilled at high norwood cases such as 5-6. The graft numbers you're raising are miniscule for the area needing to be covered, and only an incompetent and dishonest surgeon would suggest them. Its highly likely you could get 4-5k grafts via either FUE or FUT in a single procedure if you have even an average donor area.
  2. This is a horrible thing to say to someone considering its completely unfounded, to believe this you have to have very poor skills of observation when looking at post-op results. Surprising considering how long you've been here, this comment says more about you than it does the OP. I've had others mention the same to me about this surgeon but few seem to want to openly admit it for whatever reason. The density placed in this case and others by him is visibly significantly less than any of the top surgeons. The damage to his donor is very clear too, and placement angles of grafts do not look precise. Neb clearly has a good sense (better than most here) of observational standards, HnW certainly a top notch option for future repair work also and I'd trust them to clean up the mess.
  3. lol. You can clearly see those same stray hairs in the same location in the pre-op and directly post-op photos, he's just done a bad job of shaving them in the one you're looking at. They also look nothing like hair fibers, and you can clearly see from the closeups in the hairline there are no fibers. Look particularly at the first photo, you see those stray long hairs quite far below where the transplanted hairline was placed.
  4. I’m not implying anything by saying this, but I’ve never seen crusts like that.
  5. Tbh I find it more likely that this was written by someone who dislikes the clinic considering they still have plenty of good results coming out visible on the other forums, utilising one of these fake ads with bad spelling seems unlikely. Admins should check the IP address of poster and clarify where they're from.
  6. Mine looked awful in sunlight at 5 months, that's also the reality. Same case with most people. I'd wait until 7ish months before you have a good idea of what you're going to end up with.
  7. I'm typically not one for scientific suggestions without scientific evidence, but I find it strange that some of the most emotional and stressed out posters that complain very early on subsequent to a procedure seem to find themselves with a self fulfilling prophecy. Seems to be a lot of this recently. Either way 5 months is still relatively early and obviously you've made a conscious effort to present your current result in the harshest condition you can.
  8. For 2300 grafts you ought to be able to expect a lot more. The photos are admittedly poor though so hard to tell.
  9. This type of extremist rhetoric tends to push moderates further to the right because of how evidently ludicrous it is with even just a bit of common sense. When PC moves to a point where you deny basic statistical facts on the basis of people getting offended, you ultimately help elect people like Trump and Bolsonaro. You're also overcomplicating a problem that isn't complicated; on the hair colour hair issue, how many Sudanese people for example are born with red hair for example? https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php Out of interest I assume you consider the above data a result of culture and not biology then? To be honest the issue isn't completely off topic either, its a relevant consideration to who are the top surgeons when judging results. There's a certain surgeon in India for example who typically achieves good cosmetic results on Indian patients however is packing at significantly lower density than other well known surgeons, and it shows visually from the work he does on white patients.
  10. Unfortunate that its one of the stupidest things you've read on the forum, because it also happens to be true. Obviously as a generalisation of course.
  11. The point isn't what you're suggesting it is. Payam has quite literally said on other forums for example that you'll get butchered if you go to ASMED, they don't stand by their work, the majority are getting bad work etc. Absurd and factually incorrect criticisms. The fact is there are still hundreds of happy patients who have received top-tier work, in terms of the 5000 graft FUE cases there are no other surgeons *period* that are doing this type of work, still with immaculate donor areas. That's all highlander is emphasising, countering the ludicrous suggestion that they're a bad clinic and don't back their results. There are a significant number of people that are very happy, Payam is clearly trying to steer people away from the clinic and often with dishonesty, its fair enough that people who are happy offer an alternative view of their experience with ASMED. To pretend that its "attacking" anyone is silly. If your result isn't up to standard (even your own personal standard) imo especially when they're working on 6 patients a day they should and would be willing to find a remedy. In Payam's case they were and would be willing to do so, however he turned the option down and decided to continue attacking the clinic often with information that's downright false. If you go to the clinic and get a poor result, then don't accept the help they offer (I suspect the touchups like in PlanetS's case are completely free) then go somewhere else and get the issues fixed. Payam says he has the money for a fix and has surgeons who he much prefers, at this point it appears he enjoys complaining more than he desires a better result. Its a small amount of grafts that would get him to a very good result, there's no reason in the world for him not to proceed with that assuming he's truthful about the financial aspect. The other criticism is that Payam in particular only shows the hair from one angle in his videos, extreme closeups in very harsh lighting in photos, often has wet hair, combs the transplanted area in the opposite direction to the flow of the rest of the hair, and in general clearly wants to make the result look worse. If you have nothing to hide and the result is poor, then show it like a normal person. Its not hard. His result is below par no one denies it, but its helpful to stop hiding reality. In your case I would certainly expect more growth, however you're still a long while from final results and I don't believe for a second that if you're unhappy and it doesn't improve they wouldn't be willing to offer a remedy. You aren't crazy to complain, but to pretend that below-par density doesn't occur occasionally among every surgeon on this forum including the cream of the crop makes you most certainly sound uninformed.
  12. Interesting that you (maybe a rep) started to reuse this account specifically to criticise Erdogan results, two in particular where the lighting or angles literally don't show a even close to enough information to suggest the results are pluggy. Not getting as many customers as you'd like lately? I wouldn't have mentioned it because there are certainly surgeons who I think do more refined hairline work, but here are some of your own recent examples of hairline work: Pretty pathetic having to resort to making false judgements based on photos in poor lighting of another doctors work (that realistically are top-tier results) when these are the results you're putting out for the public to see. Comes across as pure jealousy or worry about your own business, because certainly the criticisms are absurd. I'd recommend spending a quarter of the profit you're making from a single procedure on a decent camera and training a staff member to take before and after photos that don't look like they belong in 2005 also Dr. Mwamba.
  13. Reminds me of this case but with literally half the grafts. Should still look good if every last graft grows though imo. At 4.5 months there's really nothing to judge, wait until 6 months minimum before you even have any idea of what you're dealing with. Most definitely it is a small number of grafts for the area however. Sometimes a doctor that does slightly less refined work with more grafts is better for cases like this, but interested to see how it turns out.
  14. I thought it was incredibly unlikely that you had gone from what appears like 20%ish yield of grafts to an above par result when your last post was at 8 months. I'm not saying that to be insulting or to knock your doctor as I'd happily have gone to him myself, but I specifically brought it up here to emphasise that a bad result isn't relegated to surgeons that use techs for extractions or non Americans. Cooley is widely respected by virtually everyone but your result and the other I posted there clearly show that being an American or having more doctor participation in a surgery doesn't guarantee good results like some here are trying to pretend. If I'm wrong and it drastically improved from 8 months feel free to post it I'm sure a lot of people would be interested. If some people spent the amount of time researching doctors and results as they do whining or complaining here they'd figure out that there isn't a 100% chance of a good result no matter the doctor. The success rate is for 90%+ growth is likely only just above the 80% mark for even top surgeons. But of course people only want to look and compare themselves to top results in favourable lighting and styling conditions while ignoring any other relevant factors or actual patient posted result success rates among a variety of surgeons. I do think Payam's result is evidently below-par but its probably telling that he refuses to post pics or video from different angles and combs the bad side in the opposite direction to how the rest of the hairs flows.
  15. The sentiment of always doing proper research and not putting price as the only consideration is worthwhile but all the photos of butchery in this article look to me like they're from the US or UK. Most of the butchery I see is from the US and UK even in the present day. Not to say that there isn't a lot of terrible work and butchered donors in Turkey, India etc, but the bigger danger imo is to pretend that white people and government regulation is somehow equatable to a guaranteed good result or even that you're in safe hands. The article mentions registered surgeons, you can be a registered surgeon and never have performed hair transplant surgery in your life. The only surgeons doing consistently high quality work in the UK imo are Reddy and Ball, however both are largely focused on smaller cases and far more conservative approaches than what is possible elsewhere. I'd pick a bottom budget clinic like Acar or Cinik's in Turkey over 99% of UK clinics.
  16. Hi Everybody. I have previously had a 3000 graft FUE at ASMED 12 months ago, linked here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/186728-asmed-koray-erdogan-3070-grafts-april-10th.html Overall very satisfied with the results from the first procedure, but still wanted to address the crown which was previously untouched, as well as density issues in some areas of the previous transplant, and create a slightly more aggressive hairline with more youthful closure at the temples, including an alteration to the overall design. Some background on my situation, I was initially a NW3V diffusing in a NW5 pattern that is very noticeable when wet but not an issue dry and with longer hair, 22 years old at the time, and had stabilised on finasteride. First procedure was solely for the hairline and created a slightly conservative NW 1.5-2 with 3070 grafts. My donor had roughly 9500 grafts to begin with and I am left with potentially another 2000-3000 after the second procedure, but the clinic suggested this is impossible to know for sure unless it is analysed 12 months down the track. In online consult 2000-2500 grafts were suggested for crown and frontal work, but in person Koray thought 3000 would be worthwhile to create a significant improvement in both the crown frontal third. Ultimately suggesting 1500 in the frontal third and 1500 in the crown. He also seemed impressed with the standard of my donor after the first procedure. Some stats on the second procedure: 3038 grafts – Hair/Graft ratio: 2.1 (quite a bit lower than the first time round) Average Hair Thickness – 50 microns Singles - 557 Doubles - 1709 Triples - 697 Quadruples - 74 Quintuples - 1 Sextuples - 0 Minor points, this time I stayed at the hotel rather than the clinic and preferred it quite a bit. Very comfortable and calming, good food for very cheap prices and there's a lot of options for places to visit a quick walk away also. That said the clinic room was very convenient. Of course as with last time the clinic staff and my clinic supervisor were very accommodating. A few have mentioned forgetting to covert some Euros to Lira upon arrival to Istanbul, the clinic was happy to convert right there and for a good rate too, so don't worry about doing so at the airport. Another point, from a front view and in dimmer lighting the very tight buzz the clinic bring the hair down to reflected that the previous work looked very natural and had no visible density issues, although from a top view seen in the clinic photos there's a noticeable difference in density between the areas with natives and those previously implanted. Noticed the same in cases like Yas and acegik who both went for 2nd procedures at ASMED, although not a huge issue unless you're planning to constantly having people looking at the top of your scalp. The donor scarring from the first procedure was also clearly visible when the scalp was buzzed to a zero, not that this is a problem or unexpected as one shouldn't go in assuming FUE is scarless or that they could get away with a buzz that tight to begin with. Just a point to note. Hair was in significant need of a cut when going in for photos, so note it also didn't look its best by any means
  17. Dr. Wong does some of the best crown work in the world, I'd likely consider him over Konior for this specific case on basis of the types of results they produce, especially considering Konior's extensive waiting list I'd say its a no-brainer. Got to be the funniest list of options I've ever read though. One of the most highly regarded (probably most in the US) and meticulous surgeons in the world, an industry pioneer and the most referred to speciality crown surgeon globally, and then the dude who gets his license suspended for claiming he is Jesus Christ and attacking a patient. https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2014/11/25/hair-transplant-surgeon-claims-jesus-attacks-man/70123254/
  18. Its not hard to find, just Google the names.
  19. I might have mentioned this and read it from one of his (old?) reps on another forum, however the numbers suggested were from up to 70 in the past, and presently around 45-55 due to potential for growth and safety issues beyond this, but not 30-35.
  20. WTF? This patient has *literally* 5% growth in a 4350 graft case, at least judging from the frontal third. What does this have to do with styling or the topic of the other thread? This is not "disappointing, nor is it "lackluster", he's blown 4350 FUE grafts with sub 10% growth, and been offered only 500-1000 grafts by the surgeon. That is a disaster. Not sure why you feel the need to act like you have no sense of reading comprehension, no set of eyes, and a brain with an IQ below 65, I'm sure you are smart enough to figure this out. I don't get what your problem is, do you just enjoy disagreeing with me for the sake of it or coming across like a sarcastic idiot? Just for reference in case you forget while scrolling down the page, this is the result we are referring to.
  21. What on earth are some here talking about, virtually nothing has grown at the front, absolutely less than 10%. People are saying the crown took... well on what photos are people basing this? None actually clearly show before or afters of the crown. I genuinely have not seen a single good result from a first pass from this surgeon and have repeated that many times. Is this seriously what people would call "underwhelming'? No that's what 4000 grafts down the toilet looks like. "In no way is it an absolute disaster." He blew 4350 grafts on a procedure where literally almost nothing grew and is now dealing with an ultra low outline of a hairline that is getting towards female hairline territory in shape. In terms of growth this is a clear example of a disaster. Large amount of grafts via FUE, and under 10% growth with an ultra aggressive hairline. Regarding what OP said: " I expressed my desire for more density, and if it doesn't improve in that time frame, he was suggesting a touch-up between 500-1000 additional grafts," 500-1000 grafts to repair this is a joke. Realistically the number of grafts you'd need for reasonable density in the crown and frontal third here is quite literally around the 3000 graft mark. OP you should be consulting top FUT surgeons and avoid damaging what already looks like a below average donor with FUE any time soon. I'd look into Konior and Hasson/Wong in particular as some examples. Forget Nader and run elsewhere quickly before wasting more time + money and giving the knockout blow to your donor.
  22. In my experience it’s really not a big deal. Being able to walk around in normal circumstances looking like you have no hairloss to the average person like in wind, sun after washing and styling etc is good enough and mostly achievable. Extreme closeups, harsh overhead bathroom lighting and wet hair are issues that don’t matter 99% of the time.
  23. Hair transplants are an illusion and the nature of that relates to density, natural vs replaced. Hence it is the illusion of density. No trick or confusion here, you’re just being silly for whatever reason and playing nonsense word games. Have you had a transplant? Because it most certainly sounds like you havent. If you stand under harsh bathroom lights and look at your hairline after a successful transplant, you will be shocked at how thin it looks and understand the point. The point of the thread is obviously referencing HT014, Payam etc who post the most unflattering photos possible and make a deliberate effort to make results look worse with lighting, lengths, styling, not washing the hair, spreading it, extreme close ups etc. The photo Melvin initially posted shows this perfectly and I guarantee if a new poster showed that a lot of people would be calling for blood of the doctor thinking it was a bad result. Anyone who has had a transplant gets it, I personally can both make it look like I have a full head of hair or look like absolute shit through the above means. The reason is because of the level of density, and that is the illusion. Transplants often give you hair that can appear both severely balding or having virtually a full head of hair depending on conditions, a lot of people clearly refuse to understand this or the logic behind it. If people are posting crown results like that Couto in which the hair is combed for perfect coverage and never in opposing directions, while “wet” hair is with a spray bottle, to say that there’s no illusion proves a lot of people clearly don’t appreciate what illusion refers to. Clearly the clinic understands very well which is why they manipulate in this manner (although yes it is a terrific result). Not sure why you keep playing dumb, I guarantee you understand all this.
  24. When you say temples do you specifically mean the side peaks at the sides or also the corners? The problem I'm referring to is visible above, with each 3 sections distinguishable. Its very clear this person has had a hair transplant because of the jarring change at the side temple peak due to the drastic change in texture and colour of the hair. Imo a patient should go to a surgeon that has experience implanting and rebuilding the entire temple point, or should leave them alone entirely. In this case only half of the temple point on the vertical has been rebuilt with low density implanted into existing areas and its created a mess of a transition as you can see. If your temple peaks are completely gone and recessed into themselves, then find a surgeon who isn't just going to place a few hundred hairs at the front of the peaks or towards the corner, but replace them entirely. Rahal, Hasson, and Erodgan do this often and there is a great lupanzula case here showing what I mean. If they aren't all that bad you're better off avoiding altogether due to potential issues with naturalness and focusing on the frontal hairline as it is the best useage of grafts to begin with.