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Great result mate!!

I found the liquid almost impossible to use routinely. It actually hurt my scalp. Prob just dryness and that awful itch but was more than uncomfortable. It also made my hair look extremely bad. All of that just meant that I found it difficult to use consistently so therefore just use the Foam. Not sure on the effectiveness really. Of either. 

But I just read the shampoo part above. Perhaps thats where Im going wrong! How often do you guys shampoo and or condition your hair? I only shampoo twice a week and one of those is with Nizoral!

Side point - and not very helpeful..but you know the biggest success I had was when I used the old school 10 or 15% from Dr Lee who isnt around anymore. Cant rememeber exactly but think it was 15% with fin in it. Used it for a year and whilst using it I didnt notice any regrowth and it sucked for my hair so I shaved it down to a 1 to keep using it. BUT once I stopped using it its like my hair just exploded and it pretty much regrow my hair. I dont know why or how, or if it was just so/too strong that whilst i was using it was causing constant shed but working. So when i stopped all the hair just come through. 

Hi Guys,

Sorry i know theres a similar post but just about to make the final decision and having trouble choosing between Demirsoy or Cinic. I know what needs to be done, need to repair a previous HT on hairline for added density (and some behind the hairline). 

I'm actually trying to decide between Demirsoy and Cinic myself!

HI guys, looking to buy Dusteride online. Have previously been getting it from Inhousepharmacy but the payment options are becoming pretty limited and looking if theres anything better out there?

Im in Australia if that matters.

Cheers

10 minutes ago, Phil36fromaus said:

1500 grafts hmm. That should be enough. I'd book a (free) consult with an Aussie Dr or even a dermatologist and get inspected before committing to surgery elsewhere. Just don't commit to any aussie HT surgeons please ... most are truly terrible. I saw one in Sydney whose after pics on his website look like most doctors before pics.  

No hair thickness wouldnt be an issue. Was it FUE or a FUT strip surgery? Do you remember them placing all the hairs in your hairline or did they just do a few and not bother? 

Id rather be in your place tbh. My donor area was messed up by an inexperienced Dr so i only have one surgery left to get things right. Otherwise I'm stuck like this permanently (I used to work in the film industry ... lets just say I've had to have a career change)

Oh damn man Im sorry to hear. I definitely wouldnt see an Aussie surgeon. Ever. Good idea to see a derm though. TBH im not that sure. I just knew when it was all over and bandages came off it didnt look like the photos id seen here and look really sparse and bad. Obviously you have to wait 18 months etc but you could tell it wasnt a good result and its ended up like it seemed it would. 

My big concern is what youve said. Why it was bad. The doc is recommended and i have seen a decent amount of good results so was it my hair? Skin? I dont know.  Its also not like they tried to scam me because i intially asked for more grafts because i was so concerned about density (oh fate you cruel little minx) and he said no, so think it was on the up and up. They said it was fine and none of that was a problem but said the result was ok too so who knows. 

Also FUE didnt want scar just in case

5 minutes ago, Phil36fromaus said:

 

How many grafts did the original surgeon place in your hairline? Do you know?

It's a strange set up. As I'm in a similar situation I've literally had to try and explain to it doctors how it happened and as to why a surgeon would even let it happen. So we are talking about elite HT doctors with 20+ years experience and thousand of operations underneath their belts all looking at me utterly confused. I used to think I was unique so Im a little upset you even exist tbh, but here's a high five anyway for making me feel less lonely in the HT world.

Sent you a PM. Feel free to contact me whenever. I'm basically spending all my free time researching this stuff

Done.

Yeah i dont know either mate. My surgeon also seems to have fair amount of decent results so im at a loss. Think bad results must have to happen to some people. 

It could also be thick wavy hair. My hair gets pretty wavy when a bit long and it is quite thick. ALso i think i have thick skin. Like i remember even a crunching sound when they were doing it and a comment about how thick it was so maybe that. 

Your photo certainly looks like mine, only Im in a worse spot so just think mate, always good be worse!!

Oh and sorry it was about 1500 grafts they said. I wanted more but he said no that was enough.

4 hours ago, Spanker said:

That looks pretty bad. Sorry.  Do you wear your hair forward? 

The rest of your hair looks to be pretty good, I would not suggest redesigning the hairline. 

I think a well placed 1700 grafts should sort you out. I would get a reputable doc for sure. You dont want to go through this twice. 

 

Do you wear your hair forward? 

No need for apologies, if we cant be honest with each other here what chance do we have. Also it helps i have long ago accepted it. 

I used to wear my hair foward, really long and just combed over front like bangs to hide it. Which was devasting to worry about your hair finally do something just to have to worry about it even worse and hide what you did. The shame of caring I guess. But out the other side and I dont care so much now, so thats a plus. Know it looks ridiculous bad weirdly few people say anything lol. Too polite i guess. 

Its hard to hide it because of how low it is and how thin it is and the temple recession. So its a weird combover thing that looks horrible. Makes my hair look even worse if possible. Probably not. But generally yes I try to. Ive been shaving my head last few months though because I was going to go get it lasered off, or get a 2nd HT and i wouldnt be able to hide that. The first time i was read for months. 

I definitely dont want to go through this twice, that is for sure mate

6 hours ago, Phil36fromaus said:

i thought I was the only one. I'm also in Australia, also had problems with my hairline not being addressed properly by an overseas doctor, and have also lost my marbles on numerous occasions [see pic below]

What was the reason it happened if i can ask? The transplant did not work or the doctor did not place enough hairs there?

Your hairline seems to be less dense than mine which would really suck trying to conceal (guessing you tried toppik and dermatch?) but from what I can tell from your side pictures your donor area hair seems really strong so it should be an really easy fix. Post a pic of the back of your head if you can.

There are loads of posts here about best hairline doctor so it has come down to personal choice. I can suggest a few if you want, but as finances seems to be an issue Keser would be a great choice. My only concern with him is it hard to find his results (he only does 600 grafts a day average so doesn't turn out masses of patients).

If you have any questions etc feel free to PM me;, I've basically been obsessively researching this and would only be too happy to help or discuss things with you.

And to answer your questions from first post:

1. Most people want a high density hairline so anything around 55FU per cm2 would give a great result. If you can measure the area that you want to fix that would give a good indication of how many grafts you'd need. I think the area you need to address is about 32cm2 (16cm length x 2cm width).

So my estimate would be 32cm2 x 55 FU per cm2 = 1760 grafts 

2. That's a question your hairline doc can answer and help design with you (depends on your donor area, if your balding is stabilised, and what your preferences are etc). This site has loads of examples of what is possible but if you want to go conservative to compensate future balding that's an option. Then again if the rest of your hair pictured is native hair (,and not transplanted), it looks phenomenal. Im jealous really. So it's really up to you. 

3. Curly and wavy hair make extraction by FUE harder for unskilled doctors (I had an inexperienced HT doctor use a motorised drill and basically messed up my donor area), so if you choose FUE make sure they are skilled and use a manual (not motorised!) means of extraction. FUT doesn't make a difference from what I understand.

EDIT: went through your prior posts, so the hairline area was too densely packed? Is that what happened? I would want to get the recipient area (hairline) assessed first to see what type of scarring has occurred and why the first HT did not work in the first place before I'd get another transplant. 

Hey mate I'll PM you. Good to see another Australia here and can relate. 

No, it wasnt densely packed. No scarring or anything. It was just never dense enough right from the start. Not enough grafts I think and just not densely packed. 

1 hour ago, txtransplant said:

I think it's cool how you have matured and realized hair isn't everything and one can look great without a 19 year old kid hairline. Some guys really loose there marbles here on this.  I think you are over complicating this personally. I see a few really good options for you.  The problem is not really the new hairline, but the stark contrast where the fake hairline meats your natural one. If you smoothe out that transition by adding hair to the new hairline it will be good.  So let's say your natural hairline that looks about an inch back is 60 FU's per cm2. The just add some grafts to the rearmost 1/4 inch to get it to 60cm2. Then the next 1/4" to 40. Next to 30 and leave the last and front edge of the hairline at 20cm2. It looks like 20cm2 is about the density you have there already. BUT I wold only do this towards the center and not fill the temples in so it would kind of create a bit of a widows peak or what we we call a "mature hairline".  Guys who loose their marbles over hair loose sight that a mature hairlines looks plain good on a guy after 30. In some people it looks better than a flawless youth hairline. Depends on the guy. But once you hit 30 a mature hairline is a good look on anyone and surgery is silly from an aesthetic standpoint as the world sees you. Basically, nice natural healthy hairline...bam. Nobody notices your hair. Just like if you nobody notices your eyebrows if they are normal. Bit really big or really think they will notice. But once you are in that "normal ideal" range, the human eye moves on. I think something like Chris Pratt's hairline would be a good fit for you now and attainable without much work.

  I am guessing you have about 20 sq cm of hairline that needs to be filled up. Since you already have some hair there, maybe you need an average 25-30 grafts per sq cm added to what is there if you have another procedure? I think if you just fill the front thickened up, then you will need maybe 1000 grafts depending on your hair characteristics. Don't forget, you want a nice 1/4" transition zone from your forehead to your hairline...so the front 1/4" that you have already needs nothing! Would look pretty natural if he hair is built up behind it.

  I am not sure how the temples will look. Probably a bit unnatural as they are now. You have a few options there. One being have another 6-700 grafts done and just rebuild your current transplanted zone. I wouldn't do this. Will look too young on you going forward, waste a bunch of grafts you might want and wasted money. And worst, if the temples move back,,,island of hair that looks goofy. For the temples I would either have them zapped off to bring them close to your current natural hairline there, but leave about 1/4" as a transition zone. Plus temples are usually thinner than other areas. If you have them zapped artistically so it transitions from forehead to hairline then it should look good. just have to find that balance point. Another option might be having a good doc use a manual .7mm punch and harvest them out of your temples and replant them. BUT you would have to be sure it won't leave a scar and seems too risky to save well under 1000 hairs. 

 

So re-enforce the front into a bit of a peak, but keep the current hairline in the center and bring the temples up and you should have a terrific result, not spend a lot and have enough hair to get it tuned up over the years should you need it. You can always have the hairline selectively lasered in the future if you have a lot more hair loss and it becomes impractical. But for now, I can't see how you can go wrong with what I suggested. Think Dr. Nader is about $2 a graft.  But even with a limited budget, some really great doctors in the US can probably do 1000 grafts for an affordable price. I think there is a really good one in Washington that get's around $6 per graft. That should be affordable to most working adults in the US that have an easy enough life to even be concerned with their hairline. lol. I had Dr. Nader work on me. It is too early to give you my result. But it think it would be a pretty good option. You are really in a great place. Just add some hairs to smoothe things out and make a few adjustments and you will be golden.

Thank you for your comments and detailed suggestions.

Oh trust me i lost my marbles initially after the HT. In a big way. My biggest fear more than anything was looking like i had a HT and well....yeah it got realised. But then after a while I just wanted to look natural, didnt even care if I looked like or was balding etc. So after this experience its a little bit, i dont know freeing? Dont get me wrong, I wish this had never have happened but at least I care far less about my appearance now. Far less. 

I'm in Australia just have to factor in the travel etc but looking into a few surgeons and will add Nader to my list. Definitely affordable.

@strategiccomboverartist Thank you. I have not heard of Nader or his work but will look into him!

HI guys,

I have posted about this previously but have a few questions hoping I might get assistance with and thought I would attach some recent photos taken today with shaved head to give better idea of what im working with. After thinking about it and discussing with wife, Ive decided not to remove the hairs (with electrolysis etc) and to get 2nd HT to fix it and much needed density. Still researching and contacting surgeons at the moment. Not sure who I am going to go with at this stage. I hate to say it cause i know, from obvious exp, cost shouldnt be a factor but unfortunately for it is so that will still be part of the decision. Reality is I wont be able to afford the more expensive options for some years and really would like to get on with life. 

So far all surgeons have quote similar - need between 1800 and 2500 in front to get good density. Im happy with that and been pretty consistent. I do have some questions though if possible:

1. What density should they aim for at front? My hair is pretty thick behind with really only the frontal recession (and high natural forehead which was the main reason for first HT).

2. Im 36 and on meds/minox. The last HT was about 4 years ago. Since that time the temples are receeded a little and im concerned about future loss esp with how aggressive hairline was. Should i redesign it like move it back and get some of the hairs removed you think? OR do the surgeons place grafts in the areas just behind first HT where there is still native hair but it is showing signs of thinning to sort of future proof? Does that make sense?

3. Does the thickness or calibre of the hair make the HT more difficult? Ive read a few posts which seem to suggest that. ANd i think my hair falls into that category. Also have thick skin as well (i think).

Anyway thanks for the help. Its been a long journey and ive really learnt a lot through it all. A dont care nearly as much about my apperance anymore which is liberating about really looking forward to just looking natural or normal if you know what i mean. Dont really care if that means receeding etc hence the initial thoughts to just remove the hair. 

Looks great!!

Anyway to get in touch with Keser? The email on his actual site is broken!

Have a similar issue, only mine is a good deal amount worse. Im in the middle of deciding between laser removal or repair but looking at repair first. Trouble is cost is big factor and i know it shouldnt be. But cant afford to go to Konior etc. 

Wow, Sean, thanks for that. Gotta say your posts have opened my eyes but also scared me. Perhaps it's best I just shave it off or just get rid of them rather than repair. The initial surgery was pretty tough seeing the result and dealing with all of that and I would hate to go through that again for worse.

If I do go through with it it will be with either Dr Rahal or Dr Erogon. They seem to be experts and have great results on hairline. Still traveling and dealing with family stuff at the moment so might be next year at the earliest. Which is good anyway cause gives me heaps of time to consider it and which doc, plus see how bad my hairloss will progross.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'm looking at a few of the doctors mentioned here. Im either going to look at a HT next year but also considering just getting rid of the current implants as well and being down with all of this. Has anyone had any experience with electroysis?

This is a very tough sutuation. You will need to see an expert hairline repair doc. That hairline does send signals of a HT. Your hair behind it is too dense to support it. Now, depending on if you have ridging and cobblestoning in the recipient zone, you will have to approach this repair carefully. Trust me on that one. Since the area is already impacted, it may diminish your chances of getting very high density result. These are things I wasn’t aware of. I definitely hope you get this sorted and your goal is answered. Last thing I would want is for anyone to be a repair patient. Best wishes and vest of luck.

Thankfully i dont have cobblestoning or anything like that, just grafts are way too sparse and no where near dense enough. Im going to look at a few of the doctors mentioned here.

Thanks Melvin.

I don't mind travelling for repair. I don't even mind the whole balding thing (now anyway), but it's more the unnaturalness that I hate. I'm only considering FUE though, so I can still consider the whole shave option. I will definitely check out Dr Rahal now, thanks again.

Hi All,

It's been a while; I had my HT done around 4 years back. I had a high hairline and it was starting to get thin and recede in the temple area.

Unfortunately the result was pretty horrible. The grafts were way to far apart and it looked extremely obvious and sparse from the get go. It never really got better and the difference between the sparse implanted hair and my naturally pretty thick hair behind has forced me to always have a long fridge to hide it. After going through a really rough period I just kept it hidden and moved on with my life. Life has been good but I can't say this hasn't affected me and it's been commented on regularly when exposed. Photos attached

Anyway, with a bit more recession in the area making it harder to hide without a weird looking hairstyle and constant comments I really need to either get this fixed or remove the implanted hair. To be honest, after all of this I care far less about appearance then previous, and if there's little scarring and its cost effective Im up for just removing them. But if it is possible to just fix it and have a natural hairline that doesnt scream bad HT then that would be preferable.

Happy to hear opinons and suggestions and what my options are!

Thanks Matt. And again congrats on your results absolutely amazing.

Cryingoutloud, fair enough. Definitely deserve a bit of that considering how I carried on at the beginning. I couldn't have lost my mind more could I. Although I don't think its completely uncommon for people to become upset and regretful straight after cosmetic surgery and I havent been dishonest at any stage and if you read all my posts havent been that negative.

I honestly admit however i completely overreacted to how I was feeling and admit I embarrassed myself. Ialologise to all those people who geniuley got butchered and here I was crying over stuff they would shrug off.

I've learnt a fair bit through this. Firstly, this forum and majority of its users are just amazing. Even when stressing out hard the amount of support was a godsend and really helped. More then they know. And they dont have to do that. But going out of their way to geniuley comfort someone even if you think they're acting like a nightmare...just amazing. I hope you guys know how awesome you are and how much your words help people.

This world really is about expectations. I thought I had done enough research and had reasonable expectations but obviously I hadn't. Ive seen some truly horrible butcher jobs recently and its given me perspective. Don't get me wrong I didn't get a bad job or anywhere near that and I thank god. Hence why I feel like I shouldn't really have cried like a kid. But expectations make or break you. In terms of Dr Bhatti if you actually read my posts I say a lot of positives. And Ill repeat them. He is a very warm and down to earth guy. He spent a lot of time with me pre surgery. Answered all my questions. Helped with accommodation and everything. Ethics? As ive mentioned a few times now. I pushed him several times to take more grafts like 3000. So he could have. He refused and stuck to 1700. The surgery and the after care were no problems. And again I saw first hand another patients results and they were awesome. So didn't question him as a person his ethics or ability. But where I think the problem was management of expectations. And again ive been truthful about that. I expected that the scabs fall off and its looks normal for a couple of weeks just red. But after two weeks no one can tell. Then after a few weeks the red goes and the hair starts falling and looks sparse. Then eventually no difference can be detected. Because this is what I was told. If I was told the scabs will fall off and you will look like you have see through doll hair and a big red section for 4 plus months and it will completely obvious for a long time and it will always be noticeable with short hair because of your existing density, I would not have stressed so hard. Because that's when I started doubting every thing. In the long run yeah I get its not that big deal now...pfft red head and funny hairline for a few months who cares. Especially when you see some truly bad jobs. And yeah so what if the density isn't there at the worst I can just go for a second round. But who knows it might actually turn out great. And I hope so. But all the things I stressed so hard about don't really matter that much now. And never would have if I was told to expect this. Also if I did some more research to of course not suggesting I don't have responsibility. So I've been thinking about removing the thread but at tge same time might be good for new people and patients who are stressing to see that you need to calm down things get better plus the support this forum can provide. Also don't want people to think im saying dr Bhatti isnt a decent surgeon. So im not sure.

In the tl, dr version:

Yes you are right I massively overreacted after my surgery.

Thanks for the support from many posters who are just great guys.

Its very important to make sure your expectations are in line with reality. You may be red and weird looking for months its not a magic invisible op after 2 weeks and really consider your expectations with density.

Talk about perspective.

I'm really sorry mate, I feel for you so much. How do you wipe your hands clean of this. Makes my blood boil.

Surely something can be done!! One of the great surgeons maybe could repair it. I sincerely hope the best for you. Please let us know how you get on.

Hey Mikey, having gone through it I can tell you the pain isnt that bad. For me the initial injections sting a little but that was it. It's not something I would worry about.

So here it is at 4 months. Some wet photos and some dry. I think some new recipient hair is starting to grow. Many people have commented how my hair is starting to grow back. The native hair seems to have recovered from a slight loss too. Is this about normal at the 4 month stage?

Its still pretty red though and this is 4 months. Will be going to doctor today to ask about it.

How did yours turn out Tommy?

Thanks guys I'm keeping positive now and hoping for the best. The redness is a bit of an issue so will look into the dermatologist so cheers for that.

The dr said 50cm would appear the same basically what you said.

Maybe I shouldn't have got it done but you know I always hated the high hairline and I was definitely receding in the temples and some guys just look really bad with it. I did. And I obsessed over it. I really just want that feeling of waking up and not worrying and hopefully itvgets there or I just go again for more density. I do feel a bit embarrassed about the start of the thread. I feel I have legitimate concerns but time will tell and I will continue to document it and we will all see the final result.