AB2000

9 Months Post Op 5th HT:

An assortment of photos taken in different light conditions.  Earlier I had went to the barber.  As far as I can remember that was my visit since 2001, 20 years ago.

11 hours ago, JohnAC71 said:

Unfortunately yes it will be your native hair which your now losing. The Fin would have helped retain, but when you stop taking it then your hair would resume its loss. 
2400 grafts via FUT should have left you with a lot of donor area left. Approx another 4600 (rough guess) you could always do a virtual consult through the forum for Dr Rahul:

https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/physician/Ontario/H-Rahal/376

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't fin stop working after some point of time, even if you keep using it?

If so a person has to plan their hair transplant with what their eventual hair loss looks like in mind and not just fix what's going on at present.

11 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

To me that looks like a 5a. I do know what you mean though, not everyone’s hair will follow the Norwood levels. 
Something that was introduced in the 50s and updated in the 70s needs a 2020s update/review.

If someone is suggesting N7 that could be a projection of where he winds up, not where he is at now.  Which is an important distinction when planning surgery, knowing the hair loss end point.

Any update Drew?

8 hours ago, BaldingBogger said:

i would wait till 20-24 months before rework on the crown.   I had crown work and i observed improvements right up to 24 months in terms of thickening which made a perceived thinner area become 'Full' with no scalp visible as the hairs thickened.

I have read the below statement from several hair transplant Dr's and i would agree with this particular for midscalp and crown areas.  You don't want to use grafts where it may not be required

 It is not until 'normal' asynchronous hair follicle cycling begins at 18-24 months does hair become noticably thicker. 

 

 

Why wait that long?  Do you suggest that returning 12 months out would negate the work from the first transplant?  I'm not sure what you mean.

If I had to guess, if there is growth to still occur past 12 months then having a second HT now wouldn't interrupt the schedule of the grafts from the first one starting to grow on the crown.

There's more density at the 4 month point.

Great result

51 minutes ago, javed said:

Dear all, 

Im new here. Its just my first day. 

On 17th december 2020, i went to Istanbul for the hair transplant, with Adam & Havva clinic. To be honest, i did a little research as well before i kicked off my journey and this clinic came out always best out of it. They were very friendly and hospitable and the dr said that they would go for 4000 grafts since the bald area was big. What i still dont understand, is how they count the grafts but probably they would presume the number of grafts.

Im happy with what they did and im almost 8 weeks away from the procedure but the shedding of the hairs make me worry. I know its normal but my question is if you were in the same situation as im now after your hair operation. Im posting some fotos of my hair from then and now and every comment and idea is more than welcome. 

 

Hi Javed, please post updates down the road so that we can see how this HT turned out, whether for good or bad.  I hope this was one of the better Turkey clinics, as some people have not been getting the results they have been expecting.

In my case hair grafts were counted during extraction.  I didn't see it as I was being operated on but I could hear a foot pedal being pressed for each one removed.  The device had a numeric display to tally the number.

If you are having shedding eight weeks out, I don't think that is the normal process of the transplanted hairs falling out after surgery.  From reading other testimonies and from my own experience most transplanted hairs are released from the embedded graft about 10-14 days after the surgery.  Eight weeks out points to something else.  For other readers - is shock loss still possible at this point, two months after surgery?  If it was going to happen I'd think it would be sooner.

What is really concerning is the presence of dandruff from the first photo.  Was that happening as you entered your surgery?  Or did you take that photo long before and the dandruff went away by then?  One thing that can hurt your yield is if your scalp skin is irritated.  A doctor should be directing you to use effective dandruff control shampoo  to clear it up before you even reach the clinic.

If you ever shave down your head it would be easier to figure out where you are, in terms of density and miniaturization of hairs in the crown.

Between my last two HT's I would use this product sporadically. The last time, using it a few days in a row, this coincided with a period of weeks where my scalp became irritated and itchy. I'd scratch and have dandruff fall out.

The timing could be a coincidence, but HTs and hair growth don't go good together. Best to do what you can until your results are in.

My surgeon specified not using any hair colouring for a year.

On 12/8/2020 at 2:55 PM, HCH said:

This is what usually happens when someone is not satisfied with his result.....just disappears !

I don't see him getting hardly any density covering that much hair loss with 3k grafts.

3 hours ago, champybaby said:

My understanding is the crown is cursed. And that the best way to encourage growth is to wear garlic and burn some sage during a Full Moon.

If only wearing actual crowns were still fashionable for men then it would be easier to cover up bald spots back there.

4 hours ago, NewHare said:

Like some/most men I have an abundance of unwanted upper arm and back hair.  Instead of shaving it off, it seems a much better option to transplant it where I need it the most. Is this at all possible ? 

Also what is the pecking order of body hair, from best to not so great ?  And what can not be used at all ?

 

I had upper and lower arm hair used to put into my thinning nape hairline:

7 hours ago, HairGuy90 said:

Hi all,

 

So I’ll preface this by saying that I am no wealthy man, but I really want to get an FUE transplant in the near future. I’ve got some money in the bank, but I don’t make a whole hell of a lot, so this is a big expense. I found a clinic in LA called “LA FUE Hair Clinic” that has some pretty solid results posted and is relatively cheap considering transplant costs in California/US for FUE transplants. (https://lafuehairclinic.com)

This clinic posts videos explaining the process and everything, which is really cool, but obviously with the price being cheaper, I’m curious what exactly I’m missing, if anything. There was one patient in particular whose results really blew me away after I watched the video and caught up to his final results. I notice one of the main surgeons there is not an Md, too, so I’m wondering if maybe they’re a bit more amateur...? 
 

Sorry, I’m kind of new to this, so I appreciate any insight. 

If you are willing to travel some options are listed here:

14 hours ago, Dello said:

I want hair bro 😂😂 but thank you tho! 

You're actually at a good point where hair concealers would work for you.  Your hair is thinning but not gone.  Look up Toppik and Dermmatch online.  It could help you give the appearance of more hair until you decide to go for surgery.

With your hair loss progression, plan carefully Dello.  There's not a lot of donor and if you use it up in a bad transplant you can never get it back.  Using meds will buy you time.

On 7/1/2020 at 11:24 AM, xabi86 said:

I would consider Eugenix. I just have one concern and it is a political one if I may - I live in London but my origin is Pakistani. There is political tension between the two countries and I am not sure if I’ll have a smooth journey into india. Also I am told if you are of Pakistani origin and have a British passport, it is still very difficult to get a visa or the visa process is very painful.

Obviously you would know better than the rest of us, but I am surprised, given that you are not a Pakistani resident.  India has a large muslim population with people of the same background as you who travel in and out.  If you ever need to go there to do surgery hopefully you can find a way.

On 7/1/2020 at 8:20 PM, Gabreille Nelson Mukhia said:

No no. That's not true. We do perform body hair transplant as well.

We have patients where we have taken donor hair from the chest, thighs, pubic region etc. Also, we have a patient where we have covered his pubic scar by using scalp hair.

I did an inquiry and I was informed, no, the only "body" hair for transplantation was beard.  Actual body grafts success rate, and I quote, "was too low" otherwise.  Westview's information lines up with mine.

To add, I wasn't trying to receive a consultation, just inquiring about pricing but was required to first send in photos.  By the end of this process I still was not given a rate.  From what I can tell this clinic does not yet do much if at all body grafts from below the head, so I would not call them a body hair transplant clinic, the topic of this thread.  Beard and scalp graft work looks great though.

6 Months Post Op 5th HT:

Been continuing to grow out the hair.

On 12/17/2020 at 11:04 PM, Prof101 said:

Hi AB, 

 

Can you please tell us about scars in the donor body hair area? Chest and beard? 

That would be immensely helpful. I am as hairy as a chimp, but it is the scars that scare me (and the hair quality). 

There are faint light dots on the chest where the FUE grafts were taken from.  Not much noticeable on my beard when I shave.  My skin is sensitive so I don't tend to shave my face to the nub and what stubble is left after shaving tends to obscure the presence of any old FUE graft points.

I had some grafts taken from my arm and unless I look real close I don't see any markings.  When body hairs are taken it's done diffusely most of the surrounding hairs remain and cover the area.

54 minutes ago, deitel130 said:

Meds will slow down the loss but not completely halt it. So you will continue to lose hair but at a much slower rate. Hence, multiple HT sessions will be needed.

This is a point that I have heard as well.  You can use medication for hair loss but eventually the progression will occur, it will never freeze it permanently.

So a good doctor will only provide a transplant that you can live with if you never come back to have more work done.  That's why the first one should have in mind what your future hair loss will look like and design to that and be conservative.  That way the problem described by the OP won't occur.

And I'll echo Melvin's sentiment - I don't think people like the one who started the thread should be looking to get transplantation done.  These surgeries are for people with more realistic expectations and can anticipate what the results will look like long term.

21 hours ago, ciaus said:

Video can be manipulated too with lighting, distance etc, and is usually going to be 'optimized' if we are talking about advertising purposes.

And think about the ratio of pictures to videos out on the internet when it comes to hair transplants -pictures are much more common because hair loss is a sensitive topic for guys and videos make it alot more easy to identify the person.

 

Have you tried searching on youtube? I just did using "scalp micropigmentation results" and one of the first results is here:

 

 

I've seen this video result before.  Off topic to the question at hand, but I wanted to put out there that this looks overdone.  If this was meant to sell me on the SMP procedure I would pass because it looks too unrealistic.  The hard density makes me look twice and question it.  If I were to go for this it would have to be more moderate.

The results that I have been interested in tracking are "long hair SMP" if you look on Google's image results.  That shows what it can look like if you get inked within areas of existing hairs to camouflage it better.  Shaving the head down and going with a zero balding look is hard to pull off, especially for older men.

Here's a before and after when using SMP with real hair: