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looks excellent - I am interested in the beard grafts aswell as I have good beard....so will consider Dogonay for remaining work
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Hello everybody!I had a hair transplant "fue" 8 days ago!I can still see the holes in the donor area!Do you know how long is the average healing time for the scars,if the time is different in every person?should i worry?and if you know any products to help the skin recovery?thanks a lot for your time!!
Looks ok for 8 days, mine is now 19 days - Maral Klinik also. Hope all goes well.
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Anyone would like to comment you are welcome
Thank you for your e-mail.
1. Please advise if Hair from the Nape of the neck re-grows, I have heard that these hair do not.
Yes after the extraction , extracted folicule does not grow back. And so your plan is done according to that.
2. I have also heard that Beard transplant is not recommend as scars are left visible.
Yes information given is correct.
Secretary -Pinar G.
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Tel:+90 216 464 11 11
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I agree to that fact but disagree when it comes to beard hair as they are very robust and healthy grafts. In my case my left side of scar got perfectly covered but the right side lets say 50% yield maybe. Bare in my mind that these were 100% chest grafts. I didnt use my beard grafts as I'm preserving them for future crown covering if one day my main donor got depleted God forbid.
Also one of the main reason of poor yield is when body hair get extracted using motorized tool because the directions of grafts are different than scalp thus Dr. Umar created his own motorized tool (U-GRAFT).
Check this video out and you will understand.
DO you have any photos of the donor areas of your Chest? Im curious as I have lots of hairs on my chest and may consider these in future and beard... although Maral does not recommend body hair.
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Sulphite in Minoxidil as against sulfur in onions, is there a connection? I think there is. Dr Maral has suggested the only recommended and approved drug is Minoxidil and does not recommend any thing else for use. I am going to try Minoxidil in addition to my hair transplants as i still have many fine long hairs over my vortex and crown. So will give this a go for 1 year.
Dr Maral did not recommend or suggest otherwise that i should or should not use it, but I will try it.
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Hariri, do you have any scars on your chest?
same question..... I wanted to use body hair for my front hairline maybe leg....and hopefully use Dogonay. I'm still wondering if there are any scars from using body and beard.? I guess it is a much slower process removing leg hairs?
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You hit the nail on the head. Both surgeons are my favorite. However, If you are looking for pure manual FUE then Erdogan wins but if that does NOT matter then Dr. Hakan is better when it comes to many aspects:-
1) Use of Choi implanter (search for its benefits).
2) Better communication.
3) Free Accommodation.
4) He is recommended in IAHRS (which is very hard to be a member).
5) His rates are very reasonable (€ 2/ graft).
6) He can use your body hair in the future (BHT expert).
7) Listens to the patient (The density & design you demand).
8) He is there during the whole surgery (I witnessed that twice).
9) His assistant Dr. Ayehan is a great translator and speaks English fluently.
10) He will be the ONLY one who will touch your recipient (One step which is incision and implanting together). I believe its the secret of his great yield.
These 10 reasons made me choose him to repair me. Bare in my mind that he does manual FUE upon request but with the same rate of Erdogan € 2.5/ graft. Good Luck.[/quote
Hi
I like further the idea of leg and body hair. But how much scaring is there if any?
I will probably use Dogonay for my final work front hairline ...
Thanks
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Honestly the photos just look like you got out of bed in and and combed it in the other.
I doubt onion would work as natural options usually don't have the strength as medical stuff. Rubbing your head to feet bloodflow also stimulates the follicles, but minoxidil does it much better.
Same as saw palmetto and Pueraria mirifica or whatever being nowhere near as strong as Finasteride in reducing dht.
It might work -slightly- but I don't think it's worth doing in the long run
Don't fancy the idea of losing me libido for the sake of more hair by using Finasteride or even getting anywhere near the chance of cancer from this drug or or maybe other side effects.:eek:
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britboy,
Not trying to sabotage your goals and where you want grafts placed but from looking at your pics, the frontal zone is diffusing a great deal and any native hair in that frontal zone is going to be lost and probably sooner than you might think.
So the impending issue for you is will you want your frontal zone and a decent hairline in the coming years since we are all viewed from the front?
Your crown area is also going to progress with further loss and you could very well be left with an island of weak hair because you will never have enough grafts to gain any level of decent visual coverage. It's just too large of a surface area and will swallow up your limited donor. This is true for any of us who have that much crown loss.
You may want to consider concentrating your limited available grafts for the frontal zone and then maybe consider beard grafts of FUE and also from the sides (rim) of your scalp to address the lateral humps as you progress over the coming years.
Would just not want you to be regretful once your frontal zone goes but again it's your scalp and only you can make those decisions.
Thanks for that. Im done now as you can see. http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175378-maral-klinik-britboy-22nd-may-2014-a.html
However, Dr Maral does not recommend beard transplant which is a complete opposite to Dogonay and Erdogen I think. Dr Maral says the beard leaves too much scaring. Would really appreciated feed back by those who have used Beard donor and whether there is any noticeable scaring...
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I think a surgeon is far better targeting a smaller area with 4000 grafts on higher Norwood patients
instead of trying to spread them over the entire surface area as coverage is just too light in my opinion. I have seen some recommended surgeons do it and I question their reasoning for it.
Another,
Dr Maras should have just tried to hit the frontal to midsection in one surgery and then target another area with a second surgery and possibly reinforce the first surgery if necessary. A transplanted crown alone can eat up a high percentage of a donor supply and look thin.
Dr Maras??? or Dr Maral?
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I was quoted 1750 euros No upper limit. Im booked in for 22nd May 2014, but this will all depend on how many donors I have left, so No upper limit may not be an issue anyway. however its hardly an issue between 1700-1800 Euros. Its when we are quoted 10,000 is when I worry :-) BTW, I continue to get positive results with my Onion pulp Juice once a week. Will post photos
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On 26/04/2014 09:48, Tugrul Maral wrote:
> Hi ------------,
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> OK 1750 euros for using max. safe upper limits of donor areas, no limitation for graft numbers.
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> The price is all inclusive. It includes all post-operative medications, after-care shampoos and lotions, all transfers from and to the airport and transfers betweeen the hotel and the clinic, and up to 3 nights of hotel stay in one of our affiliated hotels near our clinic. We arrange transfers and hotel stay. You can find information about the hotels at: http://www.myrosehotel.com/index_eng.htm or http://www.leventotel.com/istanbul_otel_index_english.htm
> The hotels are new, good conditioned and comfortable. Our driver who will pick you up from the Airport speaks English and Deutsch.
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> Price does not include flight fee. You will arrange your flights and you can take tickets for the most convenient days and times for you. You may arrive at any time and may use Ataturk or Sabiha Gokcen Airport. We will plan your operation according to your arrival and return times. Stay time 2 or 3 nights in İstanbul will be enough to complete the procedure and then you can safely flight back to your home. Even 1-night stay is possible and safe if you have limited time. You may return to your job and routine daily exercises 2 days after the procedure. You may go swimming and do any sports in one week.
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> You may come any time, just book your flight tickets and send us copy or pictures of them,
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> Regards,
> Dr. Maral
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Hi,
Well, I want to use grafts I have for some thinning areas on the crown and to the sides. My front line is not bad, but if there are some spares will fill the hairline and also try to repair some old plugs.
I have limited grafts left but will keep going until they are all used:-) Hurry up cloning :-) !
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Honestly the photos just look like you got out of bed in and and combed it in the other.
I doubt onion would work as natural options usually don't have the strength as medical stuff. Rubbing your head to feet bloodflow also stimulates the follicles, but minoxidil does it much better.
Same as saw palmetto and Pueraria mirifica or whatever being nowhere near as strong as Finasteride in reducing dht.
It might work -slightly- but I don't think it's worth doing in the long run
Hey, Thanks for the comments nice to have as much feedback on this as possible...
I triedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil in the past and might as well have got drunk with the money I spent instead, that's how good it was for me. Maybe, Just maybe, different chemicals work differently on different people.
One photo was taken September last year 13 on holiday, the other was actually taken after I had prepared my hair for the day when I posted it and then combed over the opened area. From my perspective there are sufficient results to continue the application on onion juice once a week.
It costs nothing and for me it has some physical positive results. My family have also noticed the improvement, and Im pleased about it. As it is costs nothing and takes less than an hour I think its worth the try for others. Put it this way, You have Nothing to lose, only your hair by not trying:-)
I also ask this question, why do so many Indians (Asian) use onion to achieve some results, the forums suggest that in many cases there are improvements.
there ar emany blogs on google here's one.
I'm into Maral Kilink in 4 weeks but will also continue with Onion juice when I have healed.
The forums on here and advice and knowledge I have gathered has been invaluable for my next procedure. I have made decisions for Maral based on positive results on here and from past experience and Budget. My main focus for the next procedure is to cover thinning areas. i will focus on improving my front hairline (Which is still not so bad), last of all.I honestly believe that Maral Klinik is capable of filling thinning areas so Im going with this. Remember it also takes people to discover new surgeons or clinics in order to give further opportunity to others who do not always have money for the so called top surgeons. Filling my thinning areas I believe will be as satisfactory with Maral as with any other good surgery or surgeon. I hope:-)
If Maral can do a few hairs on front hairline or correct some micro plugs while i'm there then I will consider this at consultation, if nothing is done on front hairline this time I will find a surgeon who can then give me a super hairline as these will probably be my last one or two procedures, unless cloning hair becomes a reality. :-)
My photos are in my profile as I am today (excluding the new Onion results), so will start a forum when I have my procedure with Maral Klinik - Now booked for 22nd May 2014 - Flights have been purchased. 118 Pounds sterling from UK, They will collect me at Ataturk Airport Istanbul. Procedure cost 1750 Euros, no limit on grafts.
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Due to the insane amount of trolling I've recently stumbled upon in Dr. Maral's threads, I have decided to leave this forum and not update this thread about my progress anymore.
I've been personally attacked, even in private message, over and over by the same forum member with fake profiles, accusing me to be payed by Dr. Maral to promote him on this forum with my thread.
I've been molested at the point I had to block 7 different sockpuppets profiles of people that continued sending me dozens of PMs every week saying how bad Maral is and how poor my result is gonna be.
My intention was to share my operation and my results in the upcoming months so that anyone could see, decide and judge by themselves.
I'm only a 24 years old guy who had a great medical experience for a competitive price and who just wanted to get a simple, cheap, small HT to cover an unesthetic defect on my head that has been preventing me from living a regular social life as everyone at my age does.
If these users want to keep shoveling shit on a cheap surgeon thats simply doing his job, go ahead.
I'm not here to get insulted, accused of being payed, trolled, molested or to keep hearing how my result is going to be absolutely shitty and how I've wasted my 1700 Euro.
Therefore, I'm leaving. Time will tell.
Moderators, feel free to lock this thread.
Have a good one.
Hi
Your contributions to this forum are invaluable. Would love to see more results and updates.
best wishes
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Any of you guys knows if Dr Maral does any body hair transplant?
For sure he does not advocate Beard, and cautious with other body hair. I guess other body hair woudl be for eybrows etc.
Im in on 3rd week MAY 2014 with Maral.
I had two worries as of to date.
1. Slits for insertions. My previous slits 18 years ago by Dr May were awful and required corrective surgery. 3-8 hair per graft. Awful. Hope the slits for insertions by Maral are a better improvement than Dr Frankenstein in my first ever procedure. I'm in the process of asking Dr Maral this question. Im hoping that if the slits are excellent they will not kill other healthy hair and be more accurate than punching the head with a punch which might kill healthy hairs next to the donor hairs.
2. I'm not 100% convinced with the straight lines of donor hairs front to back on many of his procedures, but he says this is due to blood flow and saves donor hairs from dying - hence the particular style of implanting. I hope they look natural when growing.
your comments would be valuable as I'm in the hot seat in 3-4 weeks
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Ok Guys, Say what you like, But Ive been using RAW onion Juice on me head.
Ive been averaging one application a month, in the beginning Last September 2013 I was applying Onion Juice 1 x weekly.
I am heading to turkey as soon as Maral Klinik can book me up in the next month or so.
However, after having read some forums (Mainly Asian Indian comments and advice, takes about 6 months to begin to show results) on the internet about Onion Juice to stimulate hair follicles, I believe it has worked for me or is working for me.
The cost of an onion is almost nothing and I mash the onion and rub it over my head and leave it for 30-60 minutes then wash me hair out.
The old wives tales used to be 'Rub an onion on your head' to grow your hair back, well, some of this is true I believe and its Free so get started, you have nothing to loose.
For those who are beginning to lose hair I recommend you start asap as I believe the Sulpher in the Onion helps stimulate follicles....Dont over do it as the Sulpher from the onion can cause headache but follow the above and you might see results. but then what do I know.
Two Photos, one before and one after Onion use. I'm going back to once a week with onion juice.
Photos are always deceptive, but I can see the difference in the mirror from last September and it is working for me.
Good luck:)
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From me 27, 2013 2:44 PM
I have some final questions which I hope you may be able to answer.
1. I s mentioned, hope to have a soft hairline made using hairs form the nape of neck, I know you said we must meet to see the physical opportunities. I would however like to mention
that many hairlines I see are HARD and UNNATURAL by various surgeons. I would like us to create a super fine and gentle hairline especially using the NAPE of the neck hairs which should soften
the hairline very well. I hope we can discuss and create this in reality.
2. With the donors I have, I ask if you have photos of the creation of the SWIRL on the crown of the head which is an important festure in any hair restoration. DO you feel confident that you can create
a natural looking SWIRL for the Crown of the head?
3. Subject to the amount of Donor hair, do you sue any other body hair for using on head?
4. Do you or can you cover the scar on the back of my head with either donor or Micro scalp Pigmentation?
5. Do you offer eyebrow reconstruction- If yes how much experience do you have. I need a few hair added to my eyebrows. See Photo attached.
Thank you for your attention
Reply from Miral 27/10/2013 16:51
1- I hope so as well,
2- We can create and always create (mimic) the natural whirl at the top, you will see.
3- Rarely and very selectively, we need to discuss face to face
4-We do not do mikropigmentaton, but may be do another treatment for the scar.
5- Yes, possible
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BaldCoot, It looks good and for sure makes you looks younger... and I know you feel better. Good On ya.
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23/10/2013 17:36
Thanks for your mail. If you wish, you may send the pictures of your head (front, above and back views) for consultation with me and final pricing. The pictures will be confidential between us.
We only use MikroFUE technique for hair transplant. This is the best technique for hair transplantation now. MikroFUE technique provides the maximum numbers of hairs (as grafts) to be transferred just in one session and the results are so natural. Our pricing is minimum 1700 euros, (for up to 3000 grafts transfer, and maximum 1800 euros (for maximum grafts transfer up to 4500 grafts ). It includes all transfers and up to 2 nights of hotel accomodation here. (Please see the details below)
The price is all inclusive. It includes all post-operative medications, after-care shampoos and lotions, all transfers from and to the airport and transfers betweeen the hotel and the clinic, and up to 3 nights of hotel stay in one of our affiliated hotels near our clinic. We arrange transfers and hotel stay. You can find information about the hotels at: LEVENT OTEL STANBUL,* 4 or Levent Hotel stanbul, stanbul Levent Hotels, stanbul Otel, stanbul
The hotels are new, good conditioned and comfortable. Our driver who will pick you up from the Airport speaks English and Deutsch.
Price does not include flight fee. You will arrange your flights and you can take tickets for the most convenient days and times for you. You may arrive at any time and may use Ataturk or Sabiha Gokcen Airport. We will plan your operation according to your arrival and return times. Stay time 2 or 3 nights in İstanbul will be enough to complete the procedure and then you can safely flight back to your home. Even 1-night stay is possible and safe if you have limited time. You may return to your job and routine daily exercises 2 days after the procedure. You may go swimming and do any sports in one week.
You can see our example preoperative and post operative pictures in this link: ?ncesi sonras?
Please consider that the result of any patient is specific to himself. These pictures can just give you good idea for our experience and professionalism.
We look forward to hearing from you soon again. After sending pictures, when you decide, you may send us detailed flight information for definitive appointment for your procedure.
Kind regards,
Associate Professor Dr. Tugrul MARAL, M.D.
Aesthetic, Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeon
Mrs. Sonnur Acur, Coordinator for Hair Transplantation
Address: MARAL KLINIK (Clinic for Hair Transplant and Aesthetic Surgery); Carsi Caddesi (Street), No: 31/D, 1. Levent, Besiktas, ISTANBUL
Klinik Telephone: + 90 212 270 12 12
Klinik Mobil Tel. : + 90 532 582 17 73
24/10/2013 10:57
Thanks for high quality pictures. Your donor area show good density, and donor to hair loss area ratio is very favorable. So, we cn close the top region and even may increasse the overall hair density over upper parts.
We do not recommend using beards (You can not cover tiny dots left) and never use it, and you do not need them in fact. (beard area may give only about 200-300 grafts with 500 holes left, internet do not say the facts about using beards)
I estimate your donor areas may give easily at least 2000-2500 grafts and it may be even so hig at 3500 grafts), We will usae the max. potential of your donor areas to transfer max. number of grafts, (it can be done because your hair loss is stable now, and you keep your donor area hairs long enough)
And if all your previous 4 operation had been done by FUT technique, Mikro FUE technique will give more number of grafts now.
I fix your quotation 1750 euros (the payment is by cash, GBP, USD valid), iit includes transfers and max. 3 nights of accomodation as well. All info in my first mail is valid.
We look forward to hearing from you soon again. If you decide, you may send us detailed flight information for definitive appointment for your procedure. Short notice time is possible for our patients abroad.
Kind regards,
Dr. Maral
25/10/2013 21:59
They advised just to make money, it is useless and unnecessary for you, good for them. Yes the hairline will be improved by increasing the hair density over there.
(1500 beard hairs means that about 2000 holes over beard areas and this is impossible in a small area without cause scarring. They just lied to you. (Beard transplant is just to allure and trick the unknown patients, sorry for that)
Why you did not accept doing this and asking me. I think you have not believed this in fact and you are right.
Dr. Maral
26/10/2013 19:56
1- Depending donor area max. potential it may be more or less, I wish it will be higher, we will use the all boundaries of donor areas to take the max. number of grafts, no upper limit regarding price (if donor gives 4500 safely, I will be glad for you and for myself)
2- We will plan together how to distrubate them over hair loss area. I will plan at preop consultation, then after grafts removal finish, I may modify plan (regarding your wishes and expectations also),
3- Possible but I need to examine the nape here, and we need to discuss here.
4- Find the best tickets for yourself, we have everchanging schedule, and give priority for our patients abroad. Short notice time is possible for you. Just ask.
Regards,
Dr. Maral
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has anyone on this forum had a great outcome from a surpringly cheap hair transplant, like let's say $2 a graft or maybe less, i know many will say it's not worth the risk and research is key but i'm just curious if people on this forum have had great results from a doctor who charges substantially less, dr. giannotto is the guy in my area that comes to mind for cheap hair restoration.
$2 a graft is not so cheap, but 1500-1800 euro for no limit FUE is cheap....
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hello my freinds, Im ready to do a Turkish Procedure. I was thinking of Maral Klinic, but On the forum I was advised to check out I think for a tighter budget I would recommend Cevre Hospital or Dr Mehmet Guclu or Dr Alp Asla.
I am on a budget. Cannot afford doganay or other top Turkish surgeons so need all the advice I can get. I want to go this summer.
Look forward to your comments
Cheers
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looks great, another procedure and you will have even better density, I am now hopeful about to Book with Miral.
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-If my Surgeon does not do the actual implants, I will NOT be using him, I dont want any technician to be doing any procedures on my head. I want the surgeon to remove my hairs and transplant them..... or I will find someone who can.I might be eating my words in the next few months. :-)
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I mean Maral Hair Klinik my error
The forums on here and advice and knowledge I have gathered has been invaluable for my next procedure. I have made decisions for Maral based on positive results on here and from past experience and Budget. My main focus for the next procedure is to cover thinning areas. i will focus on improving my front hairline (Which is still not so bad), last of all.
Disappointing first consultation in london
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