Senior Member the B spot Posted October 20, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted October 20, 2008 I'm not sure I want to debate the merits of malpractice suits Tom. They are a necessary evil and more meritorious than is believed. My point is, you have recourse in our legal system, regardless of your examples, which do contain some validity. However, a person should understand the type of legal might a corporation like Bosley or MHR wields before choosing them. Additionally, we are speaking mostly about individual cosmetic clinics, not hospitals and at top clinics the sterility (just like everything else) is unsurpassed. These clinics also understand the potential liability if malpractice is proved and many choose to reach a settlement before court. I understand your point and I commend you for offering excellent insight into doing surgery overseas cheaply. It is my opinion that spending 7000 for 3300 grafts, but having to travel to Thailand is akin to making a deal with a top clinic for 3000+ grafts for 9000-10K through various means. I happen to disagree on a couple of points, and simply offering the potential uninformed reader a different perspective. I don't know if there is a "right or wrong" answer to this, but our different perspectives. Glad to see your happy from one bald brother to another. Jason Go Cubs! 6721 transplanted grafts 13,906 hairs Performed by Dr. Ron Shapiro Dr. Ron Shapiro and Dr. Paul Shapiro are members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TomA Posted October 20, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted October 20, 2008 Originally posted by the B spot:I'm not sure I want to debate the merits of malpractice suits Tom. They are a necessary evil and more meritorious than is believed. My point is, you have recourse in our legal system, regardless of your examples, which do contain some validity. However, a person should understand the type of legal might a corporation like Bosley or MHR wields before choosing them. Additionally, we are speaking mostly about individual cosmetic clinics, not hospitals and at top clinics the sterility (just like everything else) is unsurpassed. These clinics also understand the potential liability if malpractice is proved and many choose to reach a settlement before court. I understand your point and I commend you for offering excellent insight into doing surgery overseas cheaply. It is my opinion that spending 7000 for 3300 grafts, but having to travel to Thailand is akin to making a deal with a top clinic for 3000+ grafts for 9000-10K through various means. I happen to disagree on a couple of points, and simply offering the potential uninformed reader a different perspective. I don't know if there is a "right or wrong" answer to this, but our different perspectives. Glad to see your happy from one bald brother to another. Jason Well, we do disagree somewhat, but we are not as far apart as one might think. OK a few points of clarification here that don't need an individual response: 1. Travel distance... the guy that started this thread is from Australia and for him, Thailand is MUCH closer and cheaper which was part of the reason I disagreed with you. Someone in the USA with a recommended surgeon in his town might need to rework the financial model. But for him, Thailand is a lot cheaper both for travel AND for surgery cost. 2. You phrase it as "having to travel to Thailand", while others may phrase it as "getting to travel to Thailand." Some people like to combine their surgery with a vacation (or with visiting their fiancee, whatever the case may be). I'm not big on travel to Canada, for example, but Thailand is another story. And my employer sends me to Asia FREE every year... again some things depend on the person. 3. You referred to third world medical care. That's just not the case with the clinics we are discussing in Thailand. You make it sound like people will be going to Cambodia for surgery. Now THAT I would not recommend. But Thailand? Please. 4. If you don't mind paying a bit more (hundreds, not thousands), but still much less than North American costs, Dr. Path will do your surgery at Bumrungrad. That's where he did my consultation, but I decided I was completely comfortable with his clinic. 5. If you do the surgery at Bumrungrad and something goes wrong that is the hospital's fault, Bumrungrad will fly you back AT THEIR EXPENSE to correct the problem. 6. Service levels are MUCH MUCH MUCH higher in Thailand. (I'm speaking generally, and a specific clinic may, of course, vary.) I also had eye surgery there... in all cases I was treated like royalty. 7. The people working on you in Thailand, in general, will be more experienced. For example: Your "star" physician will do many of the things in Thailand that an assistant physician would do here. An assistant physician in Thailand will do what a nurse or technician might do here. An RN will do what a LPN would do here... etc. 8. Which recommended physician in North America will do 3300 grafts for $9000? You might help a lot of people if you can be more specific... BTW... I said in my first post in this thread: "I'm not speaking specifically about members here, either." By that I meant that I was not intending my response as a direct attack on you, but rather an attack on the incorrect notion that most Americans have that surgery is far safer here than it is in other places. It is simply not correct to say that... in fact, in many cases the reverse is true. Personally I'd rather have a lower RISK of infection at Bunrungrad, than a higher risk at Tampa General plus some remote possibility of winning a malpractice case in the US court system. -- 1st HT with Dr. Damkerng Pathomvanich, Bangkok, Thailand - 18 JUL 07 - 3300 grafts (FUT) - US$6,930 2st HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 31 JUL 10 - 2249 grafts (FUT) - US$2,200 3rd HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 26 JUL 11 - 320 grafts (FUE) touch up - US$0 My Hair Loss Weblog My opinions are my own. I am not paid by, nor do I receive any benefits from ANY hair-related website, clinic, or doctor for my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member indian_balding26 Posted October 21, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted October 21, 2008 I have lived in UK for 2 years and USA for last 3 years, i have visited thailand twice and was born in india....i find it funny when people speak about thailand/india as third world countries!! Recently i had a sports injury(in usa-dallas) and needed a MRI scan, a shoulder MRI scan costs $4500 in USA?!! is this a joke??!!4500 for a MRI scan?? Luckily my insurance covered it. Does it mean the MRI scan done here is any better than the one did in india/thailand? It costs less than $400 in really good hospitals of india/thailand. Return ticket to thailand/india costs $1200, i can go for a 1month vacation and still spend less than $4500 for an MRI! hah! People are even worried about medications made in india, but for the record many medicines sold in USA(many merk medications) are made in india by Ranbaxy labs. Recently this company won a huge order which inflated the stock price. Expensive HT does not mean a better HT. I am glad to see Dr Path is now recommended in the coliation! Thailand is an amazing country to visit, this will help many balding brothers in asia and down under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Chuckisduck Posted October 24, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted October 24, 2008 I would of considered Dr Path in Thailand, but I wanted to have it now and couldn't take the time off to travel there. I have a couple of thai friends from college that want to take me there sometime. My Hair Loss Blog - Hair Transplant with Dr. Keene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member vincehair Posted October 25, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted October 25, 2008 This thread has went from good to great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TomA Posted October 25, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted October 25, 2008 Originally posted by vincehair:This thread has went from good to great... Glad you're enjoying it.... -- 1st HT with Dr. Damkerng Pathomvanich, Bangkok, Thailand - 18 JUL 07 - 3300 grafts (FUT) - US$6,930 2st HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 31 JUL 10 - 2249 grafts (FUT) - US$2,200 3rd HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 26 JUL 11 - 320 grafts (FUE) touch up - US$0 My Hair Loss Weblog My opinions are my own. I am not paid by, nor do I receive any benefits from ANY hair-related website, clinic, or doctor for my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member vincehair Posted October 29, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted October 29, 2008 Hey Tom,what i meant was that you and B Spot are both making good points and asking good questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TomA Posted October 29, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted October 29, 2008 Originally posted by vincehair:Hey Tom,what i meant was that you and B Spot are both making good points and asking good questions Oh, I know... no offense taken. I really meant that I am glad that you are getting something out of this thread. I don't think B and I would have much fun here if no one was reading this. -- 1st HT with Dr. Damkerng Pathomvanich, Bangkok, Thailand - 18 JUL 07 - 3300 grafts (FUT) - US$6,930 2st HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 31 JUL 10 - 2249 grafts (FUT) - US$2,200 3rd HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 26 JUL 11 - 320 grafts (FUE) touch up - US$0 My Hair Loss Weblog My opinions are my own. I am not paid by, nor do I receive any benefits from ANY hair-related website, clinic, or doctor for my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member vincehair Posted November 10, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2008 Hey Tom, I really wish Dr. Path would put up a price chart on his website. $6930 for 3300 grafts is excellent. Wondering about price on 2000-25000. Any idea's? Looked up airfare to Bangkok and you can snag a roundtrip for $1250 or so. Anywhere to find that cheaper? Any tips on traveling to Bangkok? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member vincehair Posted November 10, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2008 wondering about price on *2000-2500* that is haha! Tho i think we all wish 25,000 grafts were possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TomA Posted November 10, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2008 Hmmm, I'm not sure because I don't have my emails back that far. But you can ask him for a price list by emailing: path_hair@yahoo.com I just remember that the price didn't go up drastically or anything. Yes, $1250 seems like the correct price, maybe even a bit better than average. I am not 100% sure, because I always fly over from Hong Kong. I can give you lots of ideas for traveling IN Thailand, though, if you give me an idea about when you will be there and what you want to do. Tom -- 1st HT with Dr. Damkerng Pathomvanich, Bangkok, Thailand - 18 JUL 07 - 3300 grafts (FUT) - US$6,930 2st HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 31 JUL 10 - 2249 grafts (FUT) - US$2,200 3rd HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 26 JUL 11 - 320 grafts (FUE) touch up - US$0 My Hair Loss Weblog My opinions are my own. I am not paid by, nor do I receive any benefits from ANY hair-related website, clinic, or doctor for my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 vincehair, I believe Dr. Pathomvanich charges as low as $2 per graft. I'm not sure however, how that fits with the exchange rate, etc. You may want to contact him directly or do a free online virtual consult with him. Best wishes, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member vincehair Posted November 10, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2008 Thanks Tom and Bill,i will email them soon. I think your new hairline looks pretty great Tom. Any thoughts on Ht #2 for the crown? Know how much donor you have left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member the B spot Posted November 10, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2008 LOL-- It is fun posting and debating with you Tom. You never take it personal and you welcome other viewpoints!!! Anyway, I can always find a good deal for people generally. I don't think we can do 9K for 3300 grafts, but I can help out from time to time with pricing for 3000+ graft sessions. Economic factors are important to us all. However, say 3000 grafts across the way cost 8500.00 total trip (grafts, airfare, hotel stay, food,etc)............ What would the comparable cost be here in the states for a widely regarded elite doc be? All things considered,not flying to another country, staying in the states, etc... Jason Go Cubs! 6721 transplanted grafts 13,906 hairs Performed by Dr. Ron Shapiro Dr. Ron Shapiro and Dr. Paul Shapiro are members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TomA Posted November 10, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2008 vincehair: I didn't do the crown this summer because of my engagement ceremony. I actually had an appointment, but Dr. Path advised me to cancel it because he said that it was too close to the ceremony and that I wouldn't look good enough at that point in time. He did say that I had plenty of donor hair left. B-spot: You're right I never take it personally and I have a lot of fun here. Hope you do as well... I definitely see your point. You are correct to point out that if you DON'T care about visiting Thailand, have no other reason to go there, or can't leave work for a longer period of time, AND you have an EXCELLENT LOCAL DOC... then the financials become a lot more iffy. This is why I generally don't comment on threads when I feel that the poster is in this type of situation. But I DO think that if you are already going to be in Thailand for some reason, OR if you live near Thailand (like Australia--where the person that initiated the thread is living), OR if you love travel and are trying to decide between a long vacation and a HT, then Thailand might be a GREAT option for you. In addition, if you really like to be babied (haha), you're going to love Thailand! As for me, my fiancee is Thai, I have an apartment in Bangkok, and my employer sends me to Asia once or twice a year for several months at a time. YMMV. Finally, keep in mind that this argument assumes a LOCAL physician. A lot of people here are flying to Vancouver to visit H&W as well. A ticket to Vancouver from Florida can run nearly 40% the cost of a ticket to Bangkok and your hotels will be much more expensive in Vancouver. In that case the equation will tilt back a bit. So bottom line, as B-Spot points out: Everyone should be sure to consider ALL of the costs before making a decision. Tom -- 1st HT with Dr. Damkerng Pathomvanich, Bangkok, Thailand - 18 JUL 07 - 3300 grafts (FUT) - US$6,930 2st HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 31 JUL 10 - 2249 grafts (FUT) - US$2,200 3rd HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 26 JUL 11 - 320 grafts (FUE) touch up - US$0 My Hair Loss Weblog My opinions are my own. I am not paid by, nor do I receive any benefits from ANY hair-related website, clinic, or doctor for my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member vincehair Posted November 11, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dwayne95 are you around man? We all hijacked your thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TomA Posted November 13, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 13, 2008 For anyone considering a HT in Thailand, the dollar/baht exchange rate is VERY favorable right now. It hit 35:1 today for the first time in years! And that's the international rate... you'll get an even better rate in Thailand. For comparison, the international rate when I was there was 30:1. -- 1st HT with Dr. Damkerng Pathomvanich, Bangkok, Thailand - 18 JUL 07 - 3300 grafts (FUT) - US$6,930 2st HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 31 JUL 10 - 2249 grafts (FUT) - US$2,200 3rd HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 26 JUL 11 - 320 grafts (FUE) touch up - US$0 My Hair Loss Weblog My opinions are my own. I am not paid by, nor do I receive any benefits from ANY hair-related website, clinic, or doctor for my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member GLH Formula # 9 Posted November 13, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted November 13, 2008 I have been doing allot of research for a HT and this tread caught my attention. I have had a few online consultations and sent pictures in to the Doctors and the consensus is I need about 3800-5000 grafts for full density. Most recommended doctors want $4-5 dollars per graft that's about $15,200 on the low end or $20,000 on the high end which takes me out of the ball game. It appears that Dr. Pathomvanich charges around $2 per graft and does excellent work. The total cost if I need the whole 5,000 grafts is about $12-13,000 travel and accommodations included. That is an $8,000 savings and just may push me over the edge and go this way. Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TomA Posted November 13, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 13, 2008 I'd go to Thailand to save $1000, so you can guess how I will reply. Feel free to check my blog to see my results. Also, you can get to Thailand more cheaply from SoCal, and it is a great vacation spot if you have the time. -- 1st HT with Dr. Damkerng Pathomvanich, Bangkok, Thailand - 18 JUL 07 - 3300 grafts (FUT) - US$6,930 2st HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 31 JUL 10 - 2249 grafts (FUT) - US$2,200 3rd HT with Dr. Pathuri Madhu, Hyderabad, India - 26 JUL 11 - 320 grafts (FUE) touch up - US$0 My Hair Loss Weblog My opinions are my own. I am not paid by, nor do I receive any benefits from ANY hair-related website, clinic, or doctor for my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member GLH Formula # 9 Posted November 13, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted November 13, 2008 Hi Tom, I have been to your blog and read your awesome success story. I am starting to get jazzed at the idea of actually be able to afford what I need and not just what I can get by with. I have to admit the whole flying out of the U.S thing bothers me a little but for a savings of $8,000 I can get over it if I get results like yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 GLH, Do you work for the company that offers the product GLH Formula #9? Just wondering, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member vincehair Posted November 14, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 14, 2008 Noobineub you still around man? Please post some pics of your ht with Dr. Path Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member GLH Formula # 9 Posted November 14, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted November 14, 2008 Originally posted by TomA:For anyone considering a HT in Thailand, the dollar/baht exchange rate is VERY favorable right now. It hit 35:1 today for the first time in years! And that's the international rate... you'll get an even better rate in Thailand. For comparison, the international rate when I was there was 30:1. Yikes 35:1 that means $2 a graft from a recommended doctor! Dang it I don't do long airplane rides very well but a couple of Vicodins and about a pint of Makers could get me there. I sent in my online consultation and photos to Dr.Pathomvanich yesterday I hope his office reply's back soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member GLH Formula # 9 Posted November 14, 2008 Regular Member Share Posted November 14, 2008 Originally posted by Bill - Associate Publisher:GLH, Do you work for the company that offers the product GLH Formula #9? Just wondering, Bill No but I almost bought a can of that crap when it first came out. I was simply amazed that Ron Popeil's huge shiny vanished with a can of GLH. I thought I could do the same with a can of Hammerite Rustoleum but that turned out to be even worse than my mom trying to glue on a hair extension to my noggin with contact cement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 GLH, Wait. You say you don't work for the company, call the product crap, but now you've added into your custom member title: "GLH Formula # 9 is the solution for our shiny heads. Just point and spray your bald away with GLH for "Great Looking Hair" I'm confused. You appear to be promoting this product with your name and title. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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