Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 6, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) I've had 2 previous transplants (2006 USA and 2021 Turkey) and because of the 1st TP used the old punch graft technique and bad hair genetics, I don't have much donor on the sides and back left. The last TP in Turkey used 1200 graft from beard and 3000 scalp. So maybe 7000- 7300 total grafts between the two TP's. My question is if a doctor could use another say 1200 beard grafts and use the rest of my sides and back ,1300 ,for a total of 2500 graft to add density to my front and mid? I have SMP and would be using basically all that's left of my sides and back and most of beard. I don't want to grow a beard and would keep my back and sides shaved, like I've done now for 15 yrs+. I currently keep it short due to low density on top.So I'm literally asking a doc to use whats left of my sides and back .Could I find a doc in Turkey to agree to my "unethical" request? Thank you Edited August 6, 2023 by SkinnyPete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member hairman804 Posted August 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 Whens enough enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 About 2500 more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member StillAlive Posted August 7, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 As with all 'unethical' things, ask around, sign all waivers of liability and go crazy. But if you are looking for a 'Yeah, go to Dr. Still Alive, he was glad to put all my back hair on my temples for an extra K' kind of reply, you are in the wrong forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor A_4_Archan Posted August 7, 2023 Valued Contributor Share Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) @SkinnyPete Hatts off to you and your hair greed 😀 Not advisable bt the thing you are saying can be done and any hairs can be transplanted to the head through surgery ..i think you have a point ...i mean you want to fully deplete an area which is already partially depleted...even at the moment you can't grown hairs over there as it is partially depleted and it will not look good so you are shaving it to hide your depleted sides and back than why not use the remaining grafts for the top as you will keep the back and sides shaved anyhow But i would say go to a good doctor who is experienced and enough skilled to perform this...and do keep in mind about so many scars you need to deal with Edited August 7, 2023 by A_4_Archan 1 Check Out My Hair Transplant Journey --> My Thread 3611 FUE Grafts With Dr Kongkiat Laorwong | Norwood 5 | 2nd May 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor Gatsby Posted August 7, 2023 Valued Contributor Share Posted August 7, 2023 I think if you are literally exhausting your entire back and sides then I personally would frown on a surgeon who would do that. In twenty years from now your thinking will change and they know this. SMP or no SMP you will be left with thousands of punctuated scars. GATSBY 'UNPLUGGED!' 15,671 (3 surgeries) Grafts FUE+BHT Dr. Sethi Eugenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) A_4_Archan.. Spot on. I might as well use the little graft I have and shave anyway plus some beard graft for a last TP which will fill nicely when it's grown out to a max of 2 inches(5cm) on top Gatsby@ I have no scaring from previous beard graft and recent TP. I do have some minor scaring from my 1st transplant yrs ago hidden pretty well with SMP. A little scaring will be the least of my worries when I'm 70+ in twenty yrs. Haha. Regarding your comment about surgeons, my last one didn't have a problem using my 2ND to last thousand or so scalp donor when I ask them to do it. Are you frowning now? 🤨 Edited August 7, 2023 by SkinnyPete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor Gatsby Posted August 7, 2023 Valued Contributor Share Posted August 7, 2023 No I'm not frowning but are they the last spare 2nd to last 1k grafts in the bank? Or are they the last grafts period in your scalp and now your scalp is bald in the back and sides? GATSBY 'UNPLUGGED!' 15,671 (3 surgeries) Grafts FUE+BHT Dr. Sethi Eugenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) I do have some graft left yes. But not enough to fully grow my sides and back out. It would look quite spotty I imagine. BTW, I have shaved my head for the past 20 yrs+ (military retired now) I don't miss the sides and back. Just like to grow the top out now 4 to 5 cm. Edited August 7, 2023 by SkinnyPete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) Also, if you look closely at my 1st photo , I have very little scaring iñ after 5000+ grafts taken from a crap punch graft method TP years ago and the more recent TP. The SMP and possibly good work from a clinic we are familiar with helps, I imagine. No worries Edited August 7, 2023 by SkinnyPete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member BackFromTheBrink Posted August 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 51 minutes ago, SkinnyPete said: Also, if you look closely at my 1st photo , I have very little scaring iñ after 5000+ grafts taken from a crap punch graft method TP years ago and the more recent TP. The SMP and possibly good work from a clinic we are familiar with helps, I imagine. No worries Its really difficult to ascertain how well it'll look from the pictures. I can understand what you're trying to achieve and follow your logic. What I'm not sure of is how much those remaining grafts are fooling the eye. At the moment you may be looking more natural because people who look twice will see native hair on the back and sides and that'll fit into the learned pattern of what hair looks like. However, if you went entirely for SMP on the back and sides would that illusion still be maintained? I honestly don't know the answer, but it's worth contemplating before making a decision to proceed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) Well, I'm not sure what you mean by "people who look twice......." I basically shave what's left of my sides and back of head with a razor every 2 days now smooth. I guess there are only about 1000 good grafts left. Even after those say 1000 grafts are taken in the final TP, along with 700 to 1000 beard grafts, one could feel a little stubble still I assume, but not much. What you are seeing in the photos above is SMP on the sides and back and basically all transplanted on top. But with fin and minoxidil taken daily for 8 months now, hard to tell if it's the drugs helping or just transplants.To add to the confusion, 4700 grafts were transplanted by a well known respected clinic on here, 8 months ago. But I still feel I will need the additional TP of around 2000 grafts for more density. I am/was a nw6 or 7. Time will tell over the next few months .This random photo here would be the ultimate goal, no more needed. Edited August 7, 2023 by SkinnyPete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member BackFromTheBrink Posted August 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 I messy, if people look closely will the illusion of hair be maintained convincingly once you’ve removed it all? It would appear you’re pretty set on the idea, so you’re really not asking whether you should, but whether you could. To answer your question, yes, you’ll find surgeons in Turkey willing to move as many as hairs as you want from wherever you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 Well I haven't had anyone say anything about the illusion of SMP on my sides and back in 3 yrs except my mom. Haha. Good SMP seems to work in most cases besides direct light, so then it might appear like normal skin I suppose. Turkey is what I'm set on since the last well known clinic on here that I went to, is so far from me and my doc's package there has increased too much recently for basically drawing the hairline(done) and making the slits, though I had a good experience overall there. Anyway, I will update with photos , progress, etc regarding this "project" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted August 7, 2023 Administrators Share Posted August 7, 2023 Just because you can do it, doesn’t mean you should. I’d be weary of anyone accepting your request. 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member sftraderHT Posted August 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 Hi, On a slightly separate note, are you happy with the appearance of the beard hair on the scalp? Any other thoughts on the beard to scalp transplant? Are you still able to grow a full beard? I am going in next week for 2,500 Beard to scalp transplant and 1,000 scalp to scalp HT. I already had 4 previous HT going back to the mid-1980s. Thanks for your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 We are in the same boat it seems with old punch graft transplants combined with the new style transplants. Yes I'm happy with the beard graft in the mid and crown mixed with scalp hair. I can feel the difference and for me it feels thicker and will provide the density. I'm 8 months into 2000 beard grafts and will use maybe 1000 more on the last tp. Also the beard area healed in less than a week and zero scaring. But Im not sure it would look good longer than a couple of inches( 5cm) . It would look like a brillo pad cause mine is thick/ wirey . To each his own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 And no I personally won't be able to grow a beard after 3000 beard grafts taken. A gotee yes but can't be bother with either. Maybe you have a thick beard . My was on the normal/ average side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member 12S Posted August 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 I was told by a hair transplant doctor today that they can't take grafts from the sides above the ear because of arteries but you've clearly taken grafts from there? Did you have any health issues that followed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 No problems. Haven't heard of that before and I went to one of the highly touted clinics on here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member 12S Posted August 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, SkinnyPete said: No problems. Haven't heard of that before and I went to one of the highly touted clinics on here Wtf, doctor Malkani at Wimpole clinic told me today he can't take grafts from this region because of arteries underneath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 So Gatsby is frowning and Melvin is very weary of a clinic that they are fawning over on a regular basis.. I gave Eugenix a total history and video chat. I told them exactly what I wanted. Told them they could use all my sides and back scalp/ beard. Go nuts! They had no problem. $$ over ethics?? Who knows. But I have no complaints with the high package doc who did it or the clinic. I recommend! I won't name the doc and probably won't go back to them since this docs package doubled in price in less than a year and it's a long trip from middle of the US. BTW Sethi wasn't my primary doc .It was just a photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) 12S. Maybe my doc didn't extract exactly from that space. Over the ears yes. I'll look at my photos Edited August 7, 2023 by SkinnyPete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SkinnyPete Posted August 7, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) 12s. Sorry that's the best photo I have. It's seems that my Doc didn't go exactly where you circled as I didn't have much hair there Edited August 7, 2023 by SkinnyPete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member 12S Posted August 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted August 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, SkinnyPete said: 12s. Sorry that's the best photo I have. It's seems that my Doc didn't go exactly where you circled as I didn't have much hair there Thanks, I was looking at your first post and it looked like the grafts were taken all the way to end of hairline because was all red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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