Hair Transplant Questions (Dr Gur / Dr Yaman)

[Travis37]

Hey guys. I just had a few questions about a hair transplant that I plan on getting within the next few months. I *think* that I've narrowed down my search to Dr. Yaman and Dr. Gur in Istanbul, based on what I'm looking for, cost, etc. Dr. Gur's office hasn't responded yet, they said it could take up to a week for the assessment. 

I have been told that I am a Norwood 6, so I don't expect a crown that is completely dense, however, I've read that Yaman is good for high Norwood's, and covering large areas. I would like to have 'some' hair there, and I can use hair fibers to cover up the rest, or consider a second surgery in the future. So, my questions are ...
Dr. Yaman has quoted me 4000-4500 grafts for $3250. He does the incisions, which is great, but he doesn't do the extractions. An "extractionist" does this - do you think that's a problem? It's also typically done with a micro motor, but there's also manual option. What's the big difference between motor and manual?

The manual would be over two days, and would be 2500 grafts each day = 5000 total for $5000 USD. Is this too many grafts, or will my donor area be okay? As well, it's much more expensive then the motor version, so is it worth it, and why?

Implantation is then done with a DHI implanter. I read something somewhere about it being a "Hybrid DHI", but I'm not sure what that means.
Current pictures attached - I wear a hairpiece at the moment, so it's a bit shaved down. Any feedback is appreciated, thanks in advance!

[Travis37]

PS, I am 39 years old, and starting losing hair @ age 30. Not on any medications, due to the side effects. But, open to topical meds. 

[A_4_Archan]

I guess this forum is flooded with dr gur vs dr yaman thread ...

Get on to topical meds after consulting a doctor and see if it works for you or not and if you can able to tolerate it or not...Imo Two phased approach would be better ....between this two dr gur would be a better choice as he is doing extraction and incisions himself in a premium package and producing good results..plus he is conservative in his approach which is needed in your case to preserve grafts for future...

I have read one post and that was from @shiba1985 i guess...

Quality > quantity any day

[Travis37]

On 6/15/2023 at 12:00 PM, A_4_Archan said:

I guess this forum is flooded with dr gur vs dr yaman thread ...

Get on to topical meds after consulting a doctor and see if it works for you or not and if you can able to tolerate it or not...Imo Two phased approach would be better ....between this two dr gur would be a better choice as he is doing extraction and incisions himself in a premium package and producing good results..plus he is conservative in his approach which is needed in your case to preserve grafts for future...

I have read one post and that was from @shiba1985 i guess...

Quality > quantity any day

What has less side effects, topical Fin or topical Minox? 

[mr_peanutbutter]

1 hour ago, Travis37 said:

What has less side effects, topical Fin or topical Minox? 

topical minox has close to non sideeffects but realistically wont stop hairloss and is in my opinion a waste of money

[mr_peanutbutter]

On 6/15/2023 at 9:00 PM, A_4_Archan said:

I guess this forum is flooded with dr gur vs dr yaman thread ...

 

the economical times are tough in europe these days, people who can drop 15-50k on a hairtransplant are definitely there but for average joe its often out of reach especially with other financial burdens that often comes in that age when hairloss kicks in such as children, mortgage

 

i think the average salary in europe is lower compared to usa so if i was a european surgeon i would actively try to target patients from the usa

Edited June 23, 2023 by mr_peanutbutter

[A_4_Archan]

6 minutes ago, mr_peanutbutter said:

the economical times are tough in europe these days, people who can drop 15-50k on a hairtransplant are definitely there but for average joe its often out of reach especially with other financial burdens that often comes in that age when hairloss kicks in such as children, mortgage

 

i think the average salary in europe is lower compared to usa so if i was a european surgeon i would actively try to target patients from the usa

Same here in asia 

[A_4_Archan]

1 hour ago, Travis37 said:

What has less side effects, topical Fin or topical Minox? 

Topical minox would have the least side effects...but minoxidil and finasteride works differently and can't be compared ...minoxidil stimulate follicles and will make them fuller and thicker while finasteride helps in reducing dht which is the primary factor affecting hairloss and in turn will help you to slow down the hairloss progression and sometimes even halt it totally for a long time...so finasteride plays the most important role to keep your hairs for future...

Topical also goes systematic and works same way as oral but has less side effects because the scalp won't usually absorbs total drug and so the amount of drug which goes systematic will be less and this can also be done in an oral form by lowering the dosage....this is just my understanding ,though i am not a doctor or a medical adviser so you should consult and good doctor and he/she should be the only source of medical advice....

[Travis37]

So, if I used topical minox on crown (where I have little to no hair), it might stimulate the hair follicles to grow hair there again? Or, if the hair is already gone, will it do nothing?

[Belve]

Dr yaman is a great and safe option to select. You have a huge area to cover so you need max grafts for better coverage.
If you have more budget then you could select the 2 days-procedure of dr yaman with manual punch, but with the motorised one you would be fine too..

Wait also for dr Gur’S response who is a great doctor too. 

[A_4_Archan]

On 6/24/2023 at 6:21 AM, Travis37 said:

So, if I used topical minox on crown (where I have little to no hair), it might stimulate the hair follicles to grow hair there again? Or, if the hair is already gone, will it do nothing?

It can stimulate the baby hairs and make it fuller and thicker but if your crown have the dead roots than there is no chance of growth from that ...

[Travis37]

So, Dr. Gur's office has gotten back to me. (I am also VERY interested in Dr. Turan, however, he's booked up until January, and I need the surgery before then, as I will be going to school Full Time for two years, starting in Jan).

I am having a tough time choosing between Yaman and Gur, as there as pros and cons with both. I prefer Gur's natural-looking hairlines, however, his approach is very conservative, only committing to 3000-3500 grafts, and no crown coverage at all. (Micro motor extractions.) Will def require a second surgery in the future. I've also read that he prefers higher hairlines, which worries me, as I don't want a hairline that's too receded. Does anyone know if he will budge on this? I want the hairline to look natural, of course, but not as high as I've seen in some of his past transplants. Cost is 3000 Euros.

With Yaman, he's offered me up to 5500 grafts, and full coverage, with a manual extraction. Which is great, but I've read that his results are not always consistent? I think that I prefer Gur (and Turan's) natural-looking hairlines. And, I worry about depleting the donor area. Cost is 5500 Euros.

What are your thoughts?
 

[Turkhair]

52 minutes ago, Travis37 said:

So, Dr. Gur's office has gotten back to me. (I am also VERY interested in Dr. Turan, however, he's booked up until January, and I need the surgery before then, as I will be going to school Full Time for two years, starting in Jan).

I am having a tough time choosing between Yaman and Gur, as there as pros and cons with both. I prefer Gur's natural-looking hairlines, however, his approach is very conservative, only committing to 3000-3500 grafts, and no crown coverage at all. (Micro motor extractions.) Will def require a second surgery in the future. I've also read that he prefers higher hairlines, which worries me, as I don't want a hairline that's too receded. Does anyone know if he will budge on this? I want the hairline to look natural, of course, but not as high as I've seen in some of his past transplants. Cost is 3000 Euros.

With Yaman, he's offered me up to 5500 grafts, and full coverage, with a manual extraction. Which is great, but I've read that his results are not always consistent? I think that I prefer Gur (and Turan's) natural-looking hairlines. And, I worry about depleting the donor area. Cost is 5500 Euros.

What are your thoughts?
 

Go with the doctor you like, not based on other’s recommendations. Because at the end of the day you will stare at yourself in the mirror and be happy with your choice or regret it. 

Also forget having lower hairline once you move past NW3, sadly. I wanted a lower hairline and pushed my surgeon really hard for it but he was against it, in the end I agreed with him and he was right. I can’t have a lower hairline, if he had done what I had asked my midscalp would be even more thin than it is now.

Donor management of both doctors of fuecapilar is nice. I don’t know much about Yaman. You can check grant giller results here or on YouTube, he went to Gur 

[AB.91]

I was in the same position a few weeks ago.

I am currently in Istanbul for a work thing for some time, so I went to see them both.

Dr. Yaman took his time with assessing my hair thickness with an electronic caliper, used a microscopic camera, measured the areas and did calculations and then made a plan.

Explained in some details and answered my questions.

He offered 5300 grafts covering the whole top with recreating my hairline with a natural one very slightly lower than my current, after measuring facial thirds. 

I went to see Dr. Gur the same day, his coordinator gave me a time and I was there, but when I arrived I waited a long time until Dr. Gur saw me because he was busy with surgery and gave me an extremely brief assessment. That is bad coordination.

He said crown is not really important and he will not do anything for it, he will just recreate the hairline and use 3000 for the top +10% possibly.

I don’t mind all of this and the hairline is my main concern anyway.After leaving the doctor’s office, I told the coordinator I thought I needed more grafts than this, he said “you know the employees here can only work for this many hours, they need to go home”. This what made me decide not to go with him, because he decided to do only 3000 and not cover the crown not because that is what’s best for my case, it’s because it’s what’s best for them. 

I decided to go with Dr. Yaman, one week post-op today. 4960 grafts covering the whole top with density in the front middle. I am not an expert, but I like what was done and the work seems clean. I wish Dr. Yaman was involved in the surgery more but then he wouldn’t be charging this competitive rate.

Today is day 7, no problems.

I removed the scabs today after checking with clinic coordinator. So far, I am very satisfied.

Not making any recommendations or discouragements, just sharing my experience.
I will post soon about it.

Wish you the best.

[AB.91]

Just now, AB.91 said:

I was in the same position a few weeks ago.

I am currently in Istanbul for a work thing for some time, so I went to see them both.

Dr. Yaman took his time with assessing my hair thickness with an electronic caliper, used a microscopic camera, measured the areas and did calculations and then made a plan.

Explained in some details and answered my questions.

He offered 5300 grafts covering the whole top with recreating my hairline with a natural one very slightly lower than my current, after measuring facial thirds. 

I went to see Dr. Gur the same day, his coordinator gave me a time and I was there, but when I arrived I waited a long time until Dr. Gur saw me because he was busy with surgery and gave me an extremely brief assessment. That is bad coordination.

He said crown is not really important and he will not do anything for it, he will just recreate the hairline and use 3000 for the top +10% possibly.

I don’t mind all of this and the hairline is my main concern anyway.After leaving the doctor’s office, I told the coordinator I thought I needed more grafts than this, he said “you know the employees here can only work for this many hours, they need to go home”. This what made me decide not to go with him, because he decided to do only 3000 and not cover the crown not because that is what’s best for my case, it’s because it’s what’s best for them. 

I decided to go with Dr. Yaman, one week post-op today. 4960 grafts covering the whole top with density in the front middle. I am not an expert, but I like what was done and the work seems clean. I wish Dr. Yaman was involved in the surgery more but then he wouldn’t be charging this competitive rate.

Today is day 7, no problems.

I removed the scabs today after checking with clinic coordinator. So far, I am very satisfied.

Not making any recommendations or discouragements, just sharing my experience.
I will post soon about it.

Wish you the best.

Donor harvesting seems well distributed, however I can see it’s very light but for me that beats having my whole head shaved.

[A_4_Archan]

Go with the one you feel comfortable with and whose approach you prefer ....actually this is somewhat easy choice as both prefers almost apposite approach...its tough when both does same thing and than you have to pick one...and as @Turkhair said ,its you who have to decide according to your findings and whose work you like the most and who is your favorite and not mine or others...

Actually i believe we also have to think what would be better for us and what approach will be best for us...so don't get confused ..just take your time and think whats your goals are and how do want to get forward...

[Abdul]

With whom did you go? And hopefully it is fine now. Any update please. Thanks