Senior Member GreatPelo Posted March 3, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted March 3, 2014 The Neograft machine is a tool used for the FUE harvesting technique, along with the AlphaGraft and manual FUE punch. The difference is the artistic skill of the doctor. Unfortunately, the Neograft is being marketed as THE FUE tool when in fact there are others that can be as effective. The dangerous fact is it's being marketed to many non hair specialist, who are also contracting technicians to perform the entire procedure. This is where the danger in the industry begins. A licensed doctor should be cutting (harvesting or creating slits) into skin, not techs. We've already begun to see the effects of this situation with patients receiving terrible/weak results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member lorenzo Posted March 3, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted March 3, 2014 Desirehair after reading your post I still stand behind what I said. By"sell it to anyone" do mean a majority of the top surgeons in the U.S who have bought the Neogaft machine? Instead of making a comment like this why not mention these so called top surgery that have bought Neograft machine? Probably the most well know doctor that uses the Neograft machine is Dr. Bauman. Although without any prejudice I don't find him in the world elite in anything other than marketing. This is what he has to say about it. Dr. Alan Bauman Issues Hair Transplant Alert Dr. Rahal is one of the world best doctors says Neograft Hair Transplant Not One-Size-Fits-All | Dr. Rahal I respectfully understand why you would defend the machine since you are part of the company. I don't understand why you would make comments without showing evidence that back your statements? This is my opinion. Representative for Hasson & Wong. Dr. Victor Hasson and Dr. Jerry Wong are esteemed members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Hasson & Wong. My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Hasson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member desirehair Posted March 6, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 6, 2014 One of the problems in the hair transplant field is the amount of information that is omitted when writing on some internet about Hair Transplants, which is surprising. Leaving out information does not allow the ;public to know the whole story of hair transplants. Pelo, what I am referring to is that you are carrying on about techs being involved in the NeoGraft FUE hair transplants when you speak about the Neograft machine, but you fail to explain in this thread to the public that hardly any kind of hair transplants are being done or have been done in the past without techs!! They are an integral part of most STRIP Hair doctors practices. The STRIP procedure was the one used for the last 20 years and is still being used today, and mostly always multiple techs are involved. Techs are and always were an important addition to the hair transplant procedure. Why only speak about techs in reference to NeoGraft and not tell this fact about tech involvement in the whole hair transplant industry. If techs are the topic then the readers should know that techs have always been used in the hair transplant industry. In fact the amount of hours techs spend doing their part of the STRIP hair transplant often exceeds the hours a doctor spent or spends on the hair transplant! I have never come across any site that lets readers know that for the last 20 years or more when STRIP was mostly done, because there were not any tools to help do FUE transplants, that the majority of doctors used multiple techs who spent hours extracting the delicate follicles from the portion of scalp that had been excised. The doctor usually surgically removed a portion of scalp and then from 2 to 5 techs would spend the next three hours or more doing what I would call a surgical procedure on the excised scalp, Follicles are FULL ORGANS. They can be dissected in the process of extracting them. These techs were not doctors and yet they were allowed to work with body parts and extract small organs from the removed scalp. No one every wrote in blogs that these doctors were not doing a portion of the hair transplant and that they should be condemned for using techs! Why do so with the Neograft doctors? Even today the majority of Strip doctors have techs do the follicle extractions. In fact I cannot imagine how a doctor would be able to do all the follicle extractions himself if the transplant involved a good number of follicles. It would take him too many hours, which would not good for the follicles or patient. The fact that the scalp is detached from the patient, does not make it less of a surgery. Imagine if your kidney was removed to be implanted in someone else, or your arm was severed and had to be reconnected and in the interim someone worked on that body organ, you would expect that person to be a doctor. And yet in STRIP hair transplants it does not work that way. Once the Strip is removed the techs start excising the follicles. The hair transplant industry, developed using techs and this is now the standard of care for hair transplants. What is important to know is that the techs get the most experience doing a procedure over and over again, whether it is graft removal or other part of the hair transplant and so they are often the most skilled. The hair industry long ago evolved this "tech culture" not Neograft. Furthermore, there is a large percent if not the majority of STRIP doctors that utilize the techs to implant or help implant the follicles into the hair. So techs not only extract follicles but also help implant the follicles in STRIP procedures. I know some doctors may write in and claim they do all their own implanting, but to my knowledge they are the minority. The same with extracting follicles. Some busy doctors run three transplants at one time, how can they accomplish all the implanting and extracting without techs? Why not share these facts with the public when you discuss Neograft? Having said this, I would rather have a tech that spends thousands of hours every year extracting follicles do my STRIP extractions and if they are experienced in implanting I would rather have the tech help the doctor with that part also because it means the follicles are implanted sooner, and the procedure takes less time, all beneficial to the patient and the follicles. NeoGraft techs also have their role in FUE procedures. Each doctor decides for himself what role that should be. Neograft doctors recognize that technology has simplified the hair transplant procedure and there is a place for experienced techs in this procedure, as there was and continues to be in the STRIP method. In medicine there are many technicians utilized for procedures that only doctors did in the past. That is the way of the future as more technology comes on board. Also as I said before, the technology of certain machines, like the Neograft reduces the skill level necessary by the doctor, and techs can do some of the work. Even with the best tech it is recommended the doctor be involved at some capacity as the tech is limited to their skill set and in case any issues arise the doctor is absolutely necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member desirehair Posted March 6, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 6, 2014 Lorenzo Plug "NeoGraft" into the internet and you will find many of the doctors who have Neograft machines. The list is too long to write out. These top doctors, most of whom are board certified by their speciality, whether they are plastic surgeons, or dermatologists, many who are surgically qualified as well, will show up on the web. These are the doctors that some sites are calling "unqualified!" Again this is not correct information and I believe it is an attempt to "knock" the competition. The true fact is that NO DOCTOR can be qualified or experienced on a NeoGraft FUE procedure or the NeoGraft machine unless they have one, and are trained by the Neograft company how to use it. The hair doctors (most STRIP doctors) who are complaining about the Neograft doctors not being qualified are trying to mix up the public because it is the STRIP hair doctors who are not qualified on the NeoGraft machine. By claiming they have years of experience they are mostly talking about the STRIP method they use for their patients. What does their experience and qualifications (most STRIP docs are not as highly qualified as Plastic and Dermatology docs who buy Neograft) have to do with the NeoGraft FUE method? This whole argument is meant to throw the public off and confuse them as far as I am concerned. I think it is time for these kind of inflammatory comments to stop about the NeoGraft machine. The doctors who buy the machine understand the value of this machine in FUE transplants. The sales of the Neograft machine are increasing every month, and I think that speaks for the machine. The qualifications of the doctor speaks to their ability to do a hair transplant with the Neograft machine. It needs to be said also that on hair blogs, there is often criticism of some hair doctor's work and NeoGraft doctors are not spared. What the public needs to understand is that often the problem is not the doctor. There are risks in any surgery as to the outcome. In hair transplants, the amount of donor hair one has determines how full the hairline looks after a hair transplant. Many patients are still happy with a small improvement, if they do not have a lot of donor hair, but many hair web sites will criticize a hair transplant that is not full head of hair. Yet the doctor did the best with the donor hair the patient had. Furthermore some small percent of patients have poor hair growth. Again, this is not always the doctors fault. For some reason the genetics of some people does not support the follicles from anchoring to the scalp. We are working with some scientists who are experimenting on hair and they have found that the skin of the bald spot in certain patients has greatly thinned and so very little nourishment comes to that part to support the follicle. Perhaps this is a reason for the failure of grafts to grow. Stay tuned as it is my understanding that some new products are being produced to help with this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member desirehair Posted March 6, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 6, 2014 Dr. Rahal What evidence would you like NeoGraft to post? NeoGraft is a machine. It has been engineered to do excellent hair transplant extractions. Period. If a good operator is operating the machine the machine will do the great job it was built for. All the sites speak about the machine as though it is the doctor. It is not. If a poorly skilled doctor does the transplant with the NeoGraft machine the results will vary. What if the doctor has poor eyesight or poor hand/eye co-ordination? Then the outcome is not the fault of the machine. Even though the machine is automated and reduces the skill level the doctor or tech needs to have to work with the machine, lack of skill will still affect the outcome. Why knock a machine? When any company sells a machine to a doctor they are obligated to train the doctor on the machine. The company is not the "doctor police." Every doctor has a right to buy a machine. Why don't the doctors regulate their own doctors and weed out those doctors that are doing a poor job, due to some issue the doctor has? In the case of Neograft there is an added protection because the techs are involved in helping the doctor and if a tech does not do a good job NeoGraft will not recommend them. This makes using the techs a kind of protection for the patients. Think about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member desirehair Posted March 6, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 6, 2014 Pelo, Read my answer to Dr. Rahal. When you say in your post: "We've already begun to see the effects of this situation with patients receiving terrible/weak results" you are again misleading the reader. As I explained to Dr. Rahal, the NeoGraft machine has excellent, consistent, reproducible results. The best thing about the Neograft machine, is that it makes it easier for the doctor to get excellent results. But that does not remove the fact that if a doctor has some innate issues such as poor eyesight or hand and eye coordination that the machine can do the same excellent results as if the doctor did not have these issues. The same is true when doctors do hair transplants without NeoGraft. There are plenty of botched hair transplants done by docs who are poorly skilled which has nothing to do with NeoGraft. The Neograft machine is a machine not a person, as such it can repeat over and over again forever a great hair transplant. But the doctor must have a certain level of skill for that hair transplant to be the best it can be. In this respect the training the NeoGraft company does helps the doctor gain that skill. Furhtermore, the NeoGraft company is willing to help the doctor gain those skills as long as the doctor wants or needs more help in order for the doctor to develop good skills. I think it is time to stop denigrating the NeoGraft machine and tell the story the way it is. What you write about the Neograft machine does not make sense. The NeoGraft machine is the best thing to have happened in hair transplants in a long time. Ask the docs who are using it. They are very happy with the machine and recommending it to other doctors. Furthermore as I explained to Dr. Rahal in my post some patients have genetic or other physical conditions which do not allow for the hair transplant to turn out as well as hoped for. Again this is not the docs or the machines fault. When you knock a doctor's hair transplant you do not know if the less than hoped for appearance of that hair transplant had to do the lack of skills of the doctor or the patients issues. I think if you are a consumer hair site and want to guide your readers, this site needs to do better reporting in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member desirehair Posted March 6, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Pelo, You are misleading the public again with your comments involving Dr. Basin and the Neograft machine. Look at this amazing video (link below) on YouTube on the program Health Alert. They are interviewing Ron Doria, someone who works with Dr. Bassin. He had his own transplant done with a Neograft machine after losing hair in a car accident. Our experience is also that many of the doctors who own NeoGraft and many personnel who work in NeoGraft offices have their hair done with the NeoGraft machine. This would not happen if these people, who work with the machine did not think the Neograft hair transplant was the best choice. After all they have seen all kind of hair transplants. Watch this video and I think you owe Dr. Bassin, the Neograft machine, and the techs an apology for your negative comments about the doctor the NeoGraft and the techs. Obviously by looking at the video you can see that there is a happy patient who discusses Neograft. Furthermore, Ron Doria, the patient, also had a prior STRIP surgery. Listen to his comments on the next two links. In case this web site does not allow the video plug for the internet, the reader should go to the Dr. Bassin web site to the see the videos. You can also plug in Ron Doria hair transplant into google and several sites come up with this story. Also check out other testimonials on Dr. Basin's. See Kyle Cassandra's video testimonial. He is the producer of the Mel Robbins show. I am doing this bloggin, for which I have little time, to help the reader get a more correct view of what is going on in hair transplants in general and with NeoGraft. **outside link removed by moderator** Edited April 11, 2014 by Future_HT_Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member desirehair Posted March 6, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 6, 2014 Just took a look at your doctors' website. Neither one has a word of experience nor training in hair transplants. This looks to be a case where the Tech did most/all the work...is that correct??? It's always recommended to go with a hair specialist. Hopefully you'll get the result you are expecting. Wishing you great results!!! Pelo Read my answer on page 8 and 9 of this thread regarding Dr. Bassin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member desirehair Posted March 6, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 6, 2014 Hey everyone, it's my first post- YAY!The downside is, now I'm reading some negative crap about NeoGraft, and I'm looking to hear from someone, here, who has gone through with it, too. 12 days ago I had 2000 grafts, via NeoGraft, fill in a small spot the size of a silver dollar on the back of my head, a little bit on top that's been thinning out over the years, and lowered my frontal hairline to a reasonable level for someone 42- nothing too dramatic. I've been reading about crusting, and shock loss, but am concerned- is it normal to see transplanted hairs, at 12 days, coming out from the implanted space, as occurs due to shock loss? My concern's generated from the fact that what's fallen out looks more than just hair and crust. I'm signing off to get a pic from my phone on here... See my posts to pages 8 and 9 which will hopefully give you some clarification. This negative crap" as you call it is just what you say - "negative crap" which has no facts behind it, and no basis for being written. It is a lot of sensationalism. In fact I believe it shows a lack or attunement to the patients fears and also shows disrespect for doctors, technology as well as the patient. See pages 8 and 9 of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member lorenzo Posted March 6, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted March 6, 2014 This is quoted from a doctor that does FUE only surgery. Limitation of Neografts The Air Suction Device. This device transports grafts from the point of extraction to a receptacle. This process poses a threat to the survival of the donor hair. The most common reason for the death of donor hair is air drying. The use of a method that air dries a graft, even for a few seconds, can potentially destroy the graft which should be babied at all points during the FUE hair transplant procedure. The Air Suction Method. The air-suction process itself has the potential to strip the graft of important tissue surrounding it. This tissue acts as a protective barrier, insulating the graft from dry air and other traumas. Removing this barrier can compromise the survival of the graft. The Hair’s Travel. When the graft goes through the tube it will bang against the walls of the tube several times. This is traumatic to the graft and could potentially destroy it. Reimplantation. Any process that uses air to push grafts into balding areas again creates another situation where the hair will be dried or otherwise traumatized. Also grafts implanted without human control could be put in too deep hence causing pitting complications Representative for Hasson & Wong. Dr. Victor Hasson and Dr. Jerry Wong are esteemed members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Hasson & Wong. My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Hasson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Doug Monty Posted April 10, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted April 10, 2014 This is quoted from a doctor that does FUE only surgery. Limitation of Neografts Well Lorenzo if an FUE Only Doctor says it, it must be true. Did you see the video of Dr. Basin's patient. Looked pretty amazing to me. But what do I know. I think it's great that Hasson and Wong never want to get the NeoGraft. Note: I work for NeoGraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member lorenzo Posted April 10, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) But what do I know That is probably the smartest thing you have said on this forum. Is this the same Dr. Bassin that offers Services LazerLift Brow Lift Upper Eyelid Blepharoplasty Lower Eyelid Blepharoplasty Cheek Mid-Face Lift Face Lift Liposuction AquaLipo® SmartLipo™ Cellulaze™ Body-jet And that also states that NEOGRAFT is scarless? Edited April 11, 2014 by Future_HT_Doc Representative for Hasson & Wong. Dr. Victor Hasson and Dr. Jerry Wong are esteemed members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Hasson & Wong. My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Hasson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GreatPelo Posted May 17, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) Desirehair: Where to begin with your statements... 1. First of all, I'd pay big money to have Dr. Bassin perform a hair transplant surgery live to see if he even knows how to perform one and what results his patients would get OR would he need his tech to do it for him???? This statement is not to pick on Dr. Bassin, since probably a great number of doctors using the NeoGraft are not hair specialists and use techs to perform the entire surgery for them. 2. Anyone who researches "bassin patient reviews" on Google will see a great deal of interesting information to say the least, which speaks for itself... Using Dr. Oz as a marketing hook is not enough to convince me, not to mention his "no scarring, back to work the next day" advertisements, which are incredibly dishonest... NeoGraft leaves scarring...not a linear scar...but scarring non the less. Back to work the next day??? Only if you can go to work with your donor area shaved. 3. Your statement,"They are interviewing Ron Doria, someone who works with Dr. Bassin. He had his own transplant done with a Neograft machine after losing hair in a car accident. Our experience is also that many of the doctors who own NeoGraft and many personnel who work in NeoGraft offices have their hair done with the NeoGraft machine. This would not happen if these people, who work with the machine did not think the Neograft hair transplant was the best choice. After all they have seen all kind of hair transplants" is so false, misleading and such a sales pitch!!! Anyone who does any research will find out that Ron Doria use to work with MHR and had his hair done with Dr. Leavitt and Barusco. He'd gone around pedaling all sorts of doctors saying what a great result he got from NeoGraft when in reality he got his results 99% from strip. Doing a touch up with NeoGraft doesn't qualify you to say you got your results from NeoGraft. This is misleading and deceptive marketing! Therefore you should apologize to the public for your ignorance and/or false information. 4. Since you are directly related with NeoGraft and benefit financially, that pretty much erases your opinion. I think this is a very dangerous situation for the industry since the company sells a machine for over $85k and then continues to make big money from $1 per graft royalties. Hence the reason you're on here trying to mop up information...continuing to direct patients towards NeoGraft. I agree that NeoGraft is only a tool and know there are honest and ethical hair transplant specialists who are using this tool. The Danger lies in non specialists who are climbing on the NeoGraft Marketing Train to take advantage of the profits being made, while the patient takes on all the risk of having techs perform the entire surgery instead of doctors doing their crucial parts that should only be done by a doctor (harvesting, site preparation...cutting into skin). Which brings us to the crucial question: does NeoGraft then screen doctors and make sure they are qualified to use the tool OR just sells them the machine and offers techs who are trained in NeoGraft (look the other way and just makes money from sales/royalties??). I'll admit this is an unfair question since it would be impossible for NeoGraft to keep track of who/how it's being used. But there lies the danger to patients...... In summary, any seasoned professional/patient in the industry who reads your information will immediately catch on to you just trying to protect a company and its profits. Again, I'm sure there are some doctors who use it correctly and deliver good results. But it's disappointing that you look the other way and ignore the fact there are also many doctors who are not trained and don't care to be trained in the art of hair restoration and use techs to perform the entire hair transplant surgery just to make big money with an empty room. You, as a representative, should admit this is going on and should take responsible action to help rectify it instead of looking the other way. This is highly unfair to those patients who suffer the consequences. PS - Is NeoGraft still allowed to participate in ISHRS conferences? If not, how come? Edited May 17, 2014 by GreatPelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member lorenzo Posted May 17, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) then continues to make big money from $1 per graft royalties That's horrible in my opinion. Edited May 17, 2014 by lorenzo Representative for Hasson & Wong. Dr. Victor Hasson and Dr. Jerry Wong are esteemed members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Hasson & Wong. My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Hasson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hsrp10 Posted May 17, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted May 17, 2014 thank the lord someone is finally making sense in this thread! -> GreatPelo and Lorenzo Neograft, Artas whatever, these automated FUE techniques have a long way to go, and the informed patient would be wise to stick with manual FUE from a recommended doctor on this forum the risks are too great to be going with machines/robots go dense or go home Unbiased advice and opinions based on 25 plus years of researching and actual experience with hair loss, hair restoration via both FUT & FUE, SMP, scalp issues including scalp eczema & seborrheic dermatitis and many others HSRP10's favorite FUT surgeons: *Dr. Konior, *Dr Hasson, Dr. Rahal HSRP10's favorite FUE surgeons: *Dr. Konior, *Dr. Bisanga, Dr. Erdogan, Dr. Couto (*indicates actual experience with doctor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GreatPelo Posted May 17, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted May 17, 2014 Hsrp10, Both the Artas and NeoGraft charge $1/graft royalties. To tell you the truth, I don't blame them for the problem that exists. Just like McDonalds selling terrible food through their franchises and collecting royalties, Artas and NeoGraft are taking advantage of the free enterprise system we enjoy in this country and offering an alternative hair transplant device. However, sooner or later, they, just like McDonald's will have to show responsibility in helping control who uses their machines and how they are used in order to protect the consumer (the patient). These talks have already begun in ISHRS meetings and many state medical boards are beginning to take action. Right now, we're in the stage of them looking in the other direction, just like "desirehair" shows in his writings above. I feel things will balance off as more state medical boards realize the consumer danger at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member lorenzo Posted May 17, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted May 17, 2014 I agree its time for the industry to take actions. As a realtor I was required to take a course sell houses. If I wanted to lease or sell a mortgage even though its part of the real estate I am required to take a separate course and pass them. I respect all doctors for the hard work they have done to become doctors. This is why we address them as doctors as a respect for position they are in. By selling Neograft to doctor that have no experience in hair transplant can be considered criminal. The odds of a doctor performing consistent transplant without any experience is highly unlikely. I recently had cancer I didn't go to Dr. Hasson and ask him to cure me. I went to a specialist in cancer with many years of experience to cure me. When I look at the top doctors and NONE of them have the Neograft machine its says lot. With all the experience with hair transplant none of them find it more beneficial than what they are presently doing. This is why it appears that a vast majority of doctor that are using the machine are beginners that are just starting to offer transplant or putting it together with other procedure. My opinion. Representative for Hasson & Wong. Dr. Victor Hasson and Dr. Jerry Wong are esteemed members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Hasson & Wong. My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Hasson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GreatPelo Posted May 17, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted May 17, 2014 I agree Lorenzo. A great deal of the new doctors are taking advantage of the NeoGraft Marketing Train in order to benefit and make $$$$$. How can a doctor that doesn't do the procedure but offers a service say he's committed to his patients??!!! Again, I'm sure there are some hair specialists out there using this tool, however, there's a big problem that's growing day by day with inexperienced doctors jumping into the industry without any experience and just cast a net of services to society in order to catch business. NeoGraft and Artas, considering they make continuos royalties, should invest in making sure every doctor is correctly trained...not just utilize techs who do all the work. This is where the line is crossed. Hope your health is improving!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member lorenzo Posted May 17, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted May 17, 2014 Thanks Greatpelo. All good so far its been just over 1 year since my bone marrow transplant. And yes my hair all grew back. You made great points and anybody that researches a hair transplant has many great websites to make a smart decision. Representative for Hasson & Wong. Dr. Victor Hasson and Dr. Jerry Wong are esteemed members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Hasson & Wong. My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Hasson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GreatPelo Posted May 17, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted May 17, 2014 Great to hear, Lorenzo! Life is more important than hair....but if you have both....perfecto!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member fueshare Posted May 20, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Hsrp10, Both the Artas and NeoGraft charge $1/graft royalties. WOW, is this confirmed true? The Neograft is basically a dental drill and Artas looks like an OpenCV student project. Then you pay for some poor training. And then they charge per graft? LOL. That doesn't make sense, why would a competent doctor put up with this? Many Turkish doctors use literally dental drills or buy the motorized tools straight from alibaba. Edit: apparently you can buy one for 360 usd **outside link removed by Moderator** Edited May 20, 2014 by Future_HT_Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GreatPelo Posted May 20, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Yes FUEshare, it's true! Why do doctors go for it? Because they take advantage of having the "latest toys" in the industry to attract patients and these two big companies do a great deal of marketing, so they benefit from that as well. The dangerous part is a good number of unexperienced doctors are buying them and then letting techs do all the work, while they pocket profits while doing other services. So they have 2 rooms generating money instead of just them. Not good for patients and against the law to let a tech cut into skin (whether they're harvesting or making sites). I don't think these companies are guilty of this considering they can't send an employee to monitor if the doctor is doing the actual work or not, but considering they are making continued profits from the royalties, they should take more/some action to make sure the doctor is doing what they should be doing. Edited May 20, 2014 by GreatPelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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