Senior Member FinHairLoss Posted April 28, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted April 28, 2011 home | Hair Science Institute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FinHairLoss Posted April 28, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted April 28, 2011 these are the before and after pictures of the soccer player they talk about on the home page I hope that this is real ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Kenaz73 Posted April 29, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted April 29, 2011 Sounds interesting. It's not Hair multiplication but "Hair Stem Cell Transplantation", though, plucking hair in the donor area, which is supposed to regrow. They say the results for HM aren't satisfactory yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FinHairLoss Posted April 29, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) but this significantly increases your donor area in almost the same way... obviously its not an unlimited amount of donor hair but still.... i saw some report i'll try and find... 5 people did it and the regrow in the donor area was extremely evident and extremely impressive... it seems possible you could have an almost unlimited amount of donor hair depending on how many times you could pluck and regrow the same donor follicles Edited April 29, 2011 by FinHairLoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Kenaz73 Posted April 29, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted April 29, 2011 I didn't mean to sound negative. It's still a big breakthrough compared to old-school HT in that you don't get the trauma of having your scalp sliced through. And they say it somehow creates an average of 2.5 follicle/follicle plucked. Was the hair plucked in a strip or here and there to make it less conspicuous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FinHairLoss Posted April 29, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) didnt mean to sound like I was on the offense... heres the thing http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/dad01225-0ceb-4a30-90c4-771ed900f25aHSI%20-%20Artikel_Gho%20Neumann.pdf I think this is what they did on wesley and it looks like it turned out awesome "FUE is another technique where the whole follic- ular unit is transplanted, without leaving sufficient tissue behind to regenerate a new hair or follicular unit. However, since the total follicular unit is extracted, this results in small scars in the donor area (Figure 10A). With longitudinal partial follicular unit transplan- tation, parts of the follicular units remain in the dermis in the donor area. After longitudinal parts of these follicular units are extracted, they will survive and produce the same number of hairs with the same diameter and characteristics. These follicular units in the donor area can be used again in consecutive treatments (Figure 10B)." see you guys in the netherlands Edited April 29, 2011 by FinHairLoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Kenaz73 Posted April 30, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted April 30, 2011 Thank you. Looks very promising. I just wish they had included pics of the recipient area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FinHairLoss Posted April 30, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted April 30, 2011 i think they have pictures of the recipient area on their regular site.. it looks just like a normal hair transplant... nobody in the pictures has a significant change (past what I'd say were the normal expectations of todays hair transplants; which is ok in some cases) but i think the point is that all of the people in the pictures have about the same amount of donor hair available after these first procedures as before .... where as currently at other clinics you finish your first procedure and have a severely depleted donor area to the point a second operation is not plausible what i find strange is that it took them this long to try leaving some of the donor follicle in.... I could have suggested it twenty years ago without thinking twice about the subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member sapo Posted May 1, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted May 1, 2011 Very encouraging stuff here...expensive and all but what can you do... Still, when it comes to implanting the hair on the head we're the hands of the artist. So, Feller, Wong, Bisanga and the rest of the masters: get hold of this, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member cureplease12 Posted May 11, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted May 11, 2011 is this a scam? I think it likely is. Why wouldn't feller and co be using this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member multiplier Posted May 11, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) Footballer Wesley Sneijder had hair multiplication with Dr. Gho. (Link removed by moderator) Edited May 11, 2011 by TakingThePlunge Removed Link Jan 2000 - 600 FUT with Dr Kurgis (MHR) Sept 2011 - 1411 FUT with Dr Paul Shapiro Jan 2013 - 1800 FUT with Dr Paul Shapiro Sep 2014 - 1000 FUE with Dr Paul Shapiro My Hairloss Blog » __________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FinHairLoss Posted May 11, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted May 11, 2011 Removing Only Part of the Follicle - Balding Blog as per usual for this blog; pay more attention to the comment section than rassmusen's blog post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member cureplease12 Posted May 11, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted May 11, 2011 let's not be naive people. if this was true then we would have a cure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FinHairLoss Posted May 12, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted May 12, 2011 thanks for the valuable input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Blake Bloxham Posted May 12, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm a bit confused ... Is the idea here that a part of the follicle is removed, treated with a solution, implanted in the scalp, and then (because of the solution) inducts the regrowth of a fully functioning follicle in the implanted scalp? If so, how is this different from ACell? "Doc" Blake Bloxham - formerly "Future_HT_Doc" Forum Co-Moderator and Editorial Assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, the Hair Loss Learning Center, the Hair Loss Q&A Blog, and the Hair Restoration Forum All opinions are my own and my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member sapo Posted May 12, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted May 12, 2011 Unfortunately there are no pics on the website to substantiate anything.. the final results of the transplants are a bit scary, I must say.. but how can you make such a claim like this out of nothing...and how does a millionaire footballer like Sneijder finds himself involved with this..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member cureplease12 Posted May 12, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted May 12, 2011 I am not sure.... I am just hoping that the technology is evolving. If doctors in the US started practicing this such as Feller or Shapiro... I would be awfully exuberant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member ulko Posted May 12, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm a bit confused ... Is the idea here that a part of the follicle is removed, treated with a solution, implanted in the scalp, and then (because of the solution) inducts the regrowth of a fully functioning follicle in the implanted scalp? If so, how is this different from ACell? Yep, that's the much controversial Gho for you. He basically transects the follicles longitudinally by using a small punch on a 3 hair FU, as is my understanding. I very much doubt full regrowth in the donor, since the amount of tissue that is removed should be sufficient to induce fibrosis. If you're refering to Hitzig's and Cooley's hair duplication 'autocloning' procedure, the difference with plucking is that only some of the dermal sheath will get transplanted (although the complete way around the follicle). Anecdotally, this should be sufficient, and, since scarring of the donor is much less likely, I don't see a venue for what Gho's doing, even if it actually would work. jm2c :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FinHairLoss Posted May 13, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted May 13, 2011 Unfortunately there are no pics on the website to substantiate anything.. the final results of the transplants are a bit scary, I must say.. but how can you make such a claim like this out of nothing...and how does a millionaire footballer like Sneijder finds himself involved with this..? I think there are pics on the site. I don't think any of the people on the site have had their second hair transplant yet. The doc isn't claiming he can do it in one procedure. It allows you to have one HT and than another and another. From the pics I've seen of HTs it seems 3 or 4 hair transplants can make a huge cosmetic difference but very very few people have that much donor hair available. look at sneijder's results why wouldn't he get invovled? I dont believe this has anything to do with solution my understanding is its just leaving some hair behind with stem cells and taking enough of the hair to get follicle with stem cells attached to the front scalp I do however wonder why nobody has tried cutting a hair follicle in half before. That would be the first thing I tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FinHairLoss Posted May 13, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) yes please, (Link removed by moderator) Edited May 28, 2011 by TakingThePlunge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FinHairLoss Posted May 13, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) Gee I wonder why wesley would get involved with these scumbags huh guys? Edited May 13, 2011 by FinHairLoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Blake Bloxham Posted May 13, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted May 13, 2011 Yep, that's the much controversial Gho for you. He basically transects the follicles longitudinally by using a small punch on a 3 hair FU, as is my understanding. I very much doubt full regrowth in the donor, since the amount of tissue that is removed should be sufficient to induce fibrosis. If you're refering to Hitzig's and Cooley's hair duplication 'autocloning' procedure, the difference with plucking is that only some of the dermal sheath will get transplanted (although the complete way around the follicle). Anecdotally, this should be sufficient, and, since scarring of the donor is much less likely, I don't see a venue for what Gho's doing, even if it actually would work. jm2c :cool: Yeah, I was referring to the hair duplication formerly known as "autocloning" aspect of ACell. However, while I can understand the merit/science behind plucking, I'll admit that transecting an actual follicle for partial implantation seems quite different and it would be interesting to view the literature supporting this technique. "Doc" Blake Bloxham - formerly "Future_HT_Doc" Forum Co-Moderator and Editorial Assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, the Hair Loss Learning Center, the Hair Loss Q&A Blog, and the Hair Restoration Forum All opinions are my own and my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member ulko Posted May 13, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted May 13, 2011 Yeah, I was referring to the hair duplication formerly known as "autocloning" aspect of ACell. However, while I can understand the merit/science behind plucking, I'll admit that transecting an actual follicle for partial implantation seems quite different and it would be interesting to view the literature supporting this technique. There have been studies showing that transected follicles have the potential to regenerate. A quick search gives this for example (on horizontally transected follicles): Hair Regeneration from Transected Follicles in Duplicative Surgery: Rate of Success and Cell Populations Involved - TOSCANI - 2009 - Dermatologic Surgery - Wiley Online Library The problem with any kind of transection is that you will remove a part of the basic follicular structure, whereas in plucking, both what's left in the donor and in the transplanted follicle will provide a quite precise scaffold in which the follicle can regenerate. If Gho's paper is valid, he actually provides statistically significant data that the hair in the donor will grow back thinner, which imo owes to the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FinHairLoss Posted May 24, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted May 24, 2011 I contacted these people asking if re using the regrown donor hairs for a second surgery is possible and they replied that yes this was very much possible/probable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member cureplease12 Posted May 24, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted May 24, 2011 why aren't docs like feller etc. performing this procedure then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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