Regular Member TheVictim Posted February 7, 2003 Regular Member Share Posted February 7, 2003 I had a hair transplant from the Hair Transplant Center in Tusla Oklahoma. The charged me for 2000 grafts, yet I immediately could tell that they did not do anywhere near this many grafts. When I contacted them to bring this up, they simply refused to respond. After a while of no help from them, I posted a website Transplant Scamto warn others and prevent them from suffering a similar experience. I also contacted the Board of Health in Oklahoma, but they responded that they cannot do anything without me first obtaining expert opinions and such and that even then, they are limited in their abilities in this area. The Hair Transplant Center is now trying to sue me for posting the website for loss of profits and I am suppose to hire a lawyer and obtain expert witness etc. to prove my right to post this website. Of course I don't have resources for all of this, so it will force me to take the website down, their aim. So apparently there is no mechanism for ensuring accountability for this clinic in Tulsa to deliver what they charge for. Any advice would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member TheVictim Posted February 7, 2003 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 7, 2003 I had a hair transplant from the Hair Transplant Center in Tusla Oklahoma. The charged me for 2000 grafts, yet I immediately could tell that they did not do anywhere near this many grafts. When I contacted them to bring this up, they simply refused to respond. After a while of no help from them, I posted a website Transplant Scamto warn others and prevent them from suffering a similar experience. I also contacted the Board of Health in Oklahoma, but they responded that they cannot do anything without me first obtaining expert opinions and such and that even then, they are limited in their abilities in this area. The Hair Transplant Center is now trying to sue me for posting the website for loss of profits and I am suppose to hire a lawyer and obtain expert witness etc. to prove my right to post this website. Of course I don't have resources for all of this, so it will force me to take the website down, their aim. So apparently there is no mechanism for ensuring accountability for this clinic in Tulsa to deliver what they charge for. Any advice would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcknight Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 Cool website! I hope they don't make you shut it down. It's free speech right. If for some reason they make you take it off the internet, just make sure you get on every single hairloss website you can think of, and leave your honest feedback about their company. You have to spread the word about places like this. They ruin peoples lives. They need to be shut down for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member arfy Posted February 9, 2003 Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2003 How interesting that this Tulsa clinic doesn't care about making their customers happy, just about preventing them from complaining. That is behaviour indicative of a "Hair Mill". Clinics can't do this kind of thing to their patients, and expect that somehow, nobody else will find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Big It Up Posted February 9, 2003 Regular Member Share Posted February 9, 2003 wow.........I can hardly belive that this kind of scam can exist today!!!! their work would have been horrible back 15 or 20 years ago... Have you gone to Shapiro to get it fixed?? I noticed you used them on your site. Try to talk to some lawyers, you might find one that wants to stick it to these butchers!!!! good job letting this forum know how bad they are..as you might have noticed not much us talk to kindly of these "hair mills"... good luck and give some updates... aloha big it up Experience: 6 HT to date.......wish this forum was around in the 90's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vocor1 Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 The key is to find a lawyer that is motivated to make some cash. Unfortunately, that is how the American (In)Justice System works. If you can find an attorney that can find grounds for a countersuit, then you stand a chance. Sharing info is not illegal, but they must be truthful. I believe you 100%, but a judge must believe you as well. You need a motivated attorney for that. Thankfully, you have pictures to help you out. You need "medical experts" to help you out, and they will expect to be paid as well. This is all very unfortunate. If you find that you cannot continue your website because of a pending lawsuit and the finances involved, you can still spread the word by posting your experiences to this site, and moving your website to a new host and changing the content slightly. Sorry that the Hair Mill has more rights than you, "The Victim". vocor1 Knowledge is Power If the worst question is the one never asked, then the worst answer is the one never shared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member hairhair Posted February 9, 2003 Regular Member Share Posted February 9, 2003 ask for people do donatea dollar or 2 or 3 to you on your site and that will go to your legal fund. I'll donate some to you. I'll be your first doantion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Looking at your web site I see where you were counting grafts per sq. cm. but I didn't see a total. How many do you think you really got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member TheVictim Posted February 11, 2003 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 11, 2003 from the counts that I made, it looks like they did around 700 at max. This is assuming that there were some hidden in the hair that I could not count exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2003 Share Posted February 28, 2003 I am writing this response to the accusations from "The Victim" on this forum for The Hair Transplant Center of Tulsa. I am a recent patient who had 1300 grafts from their clinic and although it has been only about 4 weeks, I can tell you they do an excellent job. I had my first surgery in Atlanta, GA, with Dr Griffin, who did an excellent job as well. but it cost me twice as much and I got half as many grafts. After hearing and reading what has been said on here, I can see that this situation is very misleading. For starters, you can't look at a picture 3 days after surgery and expect to be able to count the "scabs" to know how many grafts you received. I have my picture up at here Comments are there regarding the misleading ideas concerning "the victims" claims. It would take too much space here to discuss. I will tell you though that the process most clinics, including The Hair Transplant Center, use to count grafts is they lay them out in rows of 100 as they are dissecting them. So it is very easy to tell exactly how many grafts they are putting in. I just don't think there is any point in cheating someone out of a few grafts when they are already performing the surgery anyway. It just doesn't make sense and it is certainly not ethical. Upon my suggestion, The Hair Transplant Center has decided to drop the lawsuit against the victim, as they firmly stand behind their work and have no reason to pursue this lawsuit any further. As they are not very internet savvy and had no guidance in responding to these accusations on this forum until now, they felt they had no other choice. I am sure anyone who has any questions for them can reach them through their web site here. You will also find COMMENTS from patients who have previous transplants from the biggest names out there and say The Hair Transplant Center of Tulsa was by far the best experience they have had and wish they would have gone there first. As for the experience and integrity of the staff at the Hair Transplant Center of Tulsa, I think everyone should know their background and it may help you decide what to really think of them. I am posting this to let all intelligent people here who aren't working for some other surgeon form their own opinion. They will be happy to discuss anything with anyone about Hair Transplants and their extensive experience. They can be reached at their company web site About the Staff at The Hair Transplant Center of Tulsa, Oklahoma: They Hair Transplant Center Of Tulsa has one of the most recognized staff in the industry today. In the Comments by "The Victim," he says that the surgeon did not even do the work, they had a "nurse" do it and the Dr. only removed the incision hair from the scalp. For the record I would like to clarify just exactly who this "nurse" as he said is and let all the intelligent people who might be in this forum who would like to know the truth about The Hair Transplant Center of Tulsa come to their own conclusion. "Nurse Betty" as was called by "the victim" happens to be the Surgical and Medical Director of the HTC who started doing transplants back in 1967, when she started the procedure with O'Tar Norwood M.D. For those of you who do not know who Dr. Norwood is, it may help you to know that he is the Doctor who created the "NORWOOD CHART" everyone goes by to this day as a measure of the hair loss. Her experience is unsurpassed by anyone in the industry and certainly not by anyone on this forum. She was doing hair transplants with Dr Norwood before most of the surgeons commenting here were even born. She has done every type of hair transplant that has been done and has a full understanding of the benefits and pitfalls of each. She has been doing this very successfully for 36 years, 30 of those working beside Dr. Norwood. She personally trained Clara Prather who has been her assistant for 20 of those years and is currently assisting her at The Hair Transplant Center of Tulsa. So between them, they have done more transplants than probably any other single team of Doctors in the industry. Betty Ann Studier was also instrumental in the development of The Norwood Classification Scale, which is used by most hair transplant surgeons and staffs. She has been involved in teaching many who were interested in starting in Hair Restoration Surgery. She also assisted in training the successor to Dr. Norwood's clinic, Dr. Blaine Lehr, when he started in Hair Restoration Surgery. She has seen the entire gamut of Hair Restoration from its inception. Whatever technique you may care to mention she has been there and done it. She has also done teaching and training around the world. She still has requests to teach new procedures in Hair Restoration, such as teaching the latest in Microscopic Disection and Follicular Unit Transplantation with Microscopic Disection. Any surgeon in this forum would have been blessed to have had the opportunity to be trained by Betty. Betty has assisted in gathering information for several articles written on Hair Restoration. Her name is well known in the Hair Restoration community throughout the entire world. Dr. Norwood wrote the first book on hair transplants, "Hair Transplant Surgery" and dedicated it to Betty Ann Studier. Dr. Norwood also filmed the first training instructions and was assisted by Betty. She was acknowledged for her contribution to the introduction of Hair Transplant Surgery in "The Forum" in 1999, a magazine published by The International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery. This incredible woman has dedicated her life to the advancement of Surgical Hair Transplants, much to the delight of thousands of lucky recipients. She utilizes the latest technological advances and has been instrumental in developing a lot of them. So ask yourself, "why would one of the most known and respected hair transplant staff in the world tell you they are giving you a certain number of grafts and then give you less?" To be honest with you, in my experience, you wind up getting a few more because they always plant every graft that is harvested. You just don't go as far in this industry as Betty and her staff has and cheat people. I am sure she would have no problem standing by anything she has ever done and have a line of respected names in the industry behind her. So, anyone who is serious about having hair transplant surgery at a price that is way less than most less experienced clinics offer, need look no further than The Hair Transplant Center of Tulsa. This is not just ONE of the cosmetic surgeries they do at The Hair Transplant Center. It is THE ONLY thing they do. I am writing this because I recently had a hair transplant from them and found them to be the most honest, straight forward team of people, who truly enjoy bringing about positive results in their clients. I had 1300 grafts and am very excited by the current results. I had them done on Jan 17th 2003. I went to get a hair cut about 2 weeks after the procedure and my barber, who has seen many hair transplants come through his chair said mine was the best one he has seen and could not even tell I had anything done by looking at it. Only the short hairs he could feel. This is my second procedure. The first one I had done with Dr. Edmond Griffin in Atlanta, GA. He did a great job for anyone looking to him for their hair transplant. He is just way more expensive. I currently live in Dallas, Texas now and chose the Hair Transplant Center of Tulsa to do my next HT because of their experience and price as well as their proximity, although they have the most generous travel allowance in the industry. I got twice as many HTs for half what I spent before. As for the victim: His picture says it was 3 days after surgery. I can tell you from recent experience that 1) Many of the FU and Micrografts do not even leave a scab, just a little bump that is barely visible immediately after. 2) After 3 days there are lots of smaller scabs that have already fallen out. I am posting my picture from immediately after surgery and you can see that there are some scabs, and lots of grafts where there are no scabs. So it is very misleading to want to count the scabs 3 days after surgery when a lot of them are gone and some grafts made such small scabs they were really just bumps, as you can see from my picture. Now from this picture I can tell you that after about 10-12 days all my scabs were gone and there was barely any evidence I even had a transplant, only a slight pink color in the skin, and after 2 weeks there was no evidence other than the little hairs you could feel if you rubbed my head. Those all fell out over the next couple weeks and now the new hairs have started growing. The second pic was taken today and you can obviously see you can't see anything. Which is definitely a sign of a great procedure. So when I see comments about their work ranging from "poor type work" from a Dr. who has been doing hair transplants for maybe 10 years if he is lucky, it makes me wonder just how much he thinks he knows. And about the "horseshoe" comment, that is called a hairline. If you have ever seen anyone with a shaved head, it has the same shape as you see in the picture. And another comment from someone who was happy with the work but thought they should get a different clinic with more experience to do the hair line that they want, I don't think you will find one. As for the other comments from potential patients of a hair transplant procedure; I can understand your apprehension and wanting to make the right decision about such an important part of your life. You want to gather all the information you can before making that decision. Make the educated decision and at least consult with the clinic that has THE MOST EXPERIENCE in the industry, The Hair Transplant Center of Tulsa, and judge for your self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Manko Posted February 28, 2003 Senior Member Share Posted February 28, 2003 I'm impressed with the level of your research into Ms. Betty. Call me ignorant, but my guess is that you're more than just a patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dodgedabullet Posted February 28, 2003 Regular Member Share Posted February 28, 2003 You can't tell the results of a hair transplant after 4 weeks. Why don't you have the clinic post some "finished patients"? What kind of technology are you using? Do you even use follicular units? Experience is not necessarily commensurate with the ability to do an excellent hair transplant. There are some very experienced people who do shoddy work. Personally, the Victim's hair transplant looks terrible regardless of thr number of grafts he had. Large grafts were obviously used, and the shape of the hairline is unnatural. I have nothing personal against the Tulsa clinic, but the photo the Victim posted looks hideous. It looks like something from 1980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member TheVictim Posted February 28, 2003 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 28, 2003 Tom Campbell, the business manager at the Hair Transplant Center, has agreed to refund half of the cost of my transplant. As a result, I will not make any additional posts to this site. The person who has posted his experience with this clinic feels they did a good job, which I hope is the case. Time will tell. I personally did not have that experience and my posts were about my experience, not his. But it is my hope that others have better experiences than myself. [This message was edited by TheVictim on March 12, 2003 at 04:08 AM.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vocor1 Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 TheVictim: We'll be seeing you. I hope you got some satisfaction from your result. I am still sorry that you had to go through all that. I respect you for candidly posting your story. Your departure from this site and John Gault's appearance coincide quite effectively, I'd say. Funny how things like that happen. John Gault's experiences would come across much more sincere if his posts weren't so "salesy". Oh well. Hey, even if you don't post any more, best of luck in your quest for better hair! You know, it is never too late to get satisfaction or seek improvement if that is what you desire. Best of luck to you! vocor1 Knowledge is Power If the worst question is the one never asked, then the worst answer is the one never shared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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