Atticus

Hairguy,

Hopefully, this link will work. As you can see, this docket did not involve "innocent mistakes". For example, the usage of expired meds is not a mistake, to name only 1 of the things mentioned.

**link removed**

Atticus

How is the use of five hair grafts in a frontal hairline acceptable?

 

Look at the 5 cm hairline.

You eyes are all scrunched up in a unnatural manner so you hairline looks lower than it really is. I do wonder what kind of clinic agrees to graft removal at only six months time. This seems unethical and plain wrong. It seems like the type of clinic who got in trouble for unlawful distribution of drugs, and also having unqualified employees performing medical functions. Does not sound good.

So Hairguy, is this where you are going/went?

https://services.georgia.gov/dch/mebs/retrieveBoardOrder.do?licenseNumber=029158&boardTypeId=2

Atticus

Really need to see more pictures before making a comment.

Precisely. Need to see a picture that was taken before hair removal with hair grown out.

While it may seem to be vindictive, it is important to lay all of ones cards on the table, especially if someone is making such damaging accusations against your business and against you personally.

 

For starters, someone in his frame of mind is potentially not only going to be unhappy with his result, it is also possible this patient asked for, and received, a hairline placement of his own design, then after 6 months did not like his own suggestion for hairline placement, and decided to blame it on Dr. Umar, and then accusing the doctor of taking advantage of him while he was "passed out", which, on its face, really makes no sense.

 

Around 6 months ago there was a London based poster in his 40's.on here with a full head of hair and a slightly receding hairline, which was not visible in pictures until he pulled his hair back in the photos. This poster came online to complain that his "hair loss" was ruining his life, even to the point he no longer had a social life because of concerns over his hair. There was simply no way his completely normal looking hair should be responsible for these feelings, but he projected his personal problems onto a receding hairline and in 2 months was on his way to the U.S. for a hair transplant.

 

The point is, someone's frame of mind is very relevant, and often times not necessarily grounded in reality. If someone attacks you both personally and professionally, it is only fair to be able to defend yourself with any and all relevant information related to your accuser.

Correct. All cosmetic surgeons consider mental health. For example, a breast enhancement doc is going to want to know whether his potential patient is suffering from depression, and if so, is he or she receiving treatment for it. Why, because we (I) tend to blame others for our decisions thus making it about ourselves. I use myself as an example. I have major depressive disorder, but I am on meds and have received therapy, so I am in a good place and I am able to deal with problems now after asked for and receiving help.

I do agree with the others, six months is to soon to judge this hairline. It needs to be grown out so a proper assessment can be done. Are these pix after the OP went to another clinic afterwards? I am not clear on this.

Finally, I will say that this story about passing out does not make any sense at all. A world class surgeon like Dr. Umar has no need to use such back room techniques, and the fact is people fly in from all around the world to be worked on by him. At this point in his career, he does not even need to solicit work. His schedule is jam packed from morning to night.

I have to run and get ready to go make a living. I will slurp down some coffee and hit the door running.

Good day gents,

Atticus

Hairguy350 came to my clinic for surgery in January. More than one month before surgery, the consent forms were sent to him to review and sign. He signed them on December 12, 2012. HG indicated that he wanted an "aggressive hairline."

 

 

 

 

 

On January 10, 2013, HG came to the clinic for 2 days of surgery. Prior to the start of the first surgery, I discussed with Hairguy the placement of his new hairline. He was of a clear mind and in full control, he was not sedated. On that day, and during the subsequent day of surgery, he never voiced one complaint about his hairline.

 

 

 

 

 

 

On June 4th HG informed me that he cannot wait for his transplant to grow in. He informs me that he has been diagnosed with two mental disorders (not caused by his hair transplant) that are affecting him. I sent him a message of sympathy and support in lieu of his revelation. While I am sympathetic and supportive of his efforts to find peace of mind, the bottom line is you have to wait a year and allow all of your grafts the time necessary to grow and to mature to a cosmetically pleasing look.

 

 

 

 

 

On June 11th, I am told by HG, for the first time, that his hairline is too low. He tells me he wants to remove his hairline and wants a refund.

 

 

 

 

 

Some time thereafter, HG informed me that in addition to having non- surgical procedures (Lasers) he is also having surgeries to have his grafts removed. He confirmed later on that he is now a patient of a doctor in Alpharetta, Georgia.

If HG had told me, prior to surgery, that he could only wait 6 months for his transplant to fully manifest, I would have declined to work on him. If a patient from another doctor came to see me at 6 months or less post-op, with a complaint about their transplant result, I would refer him back to his doctor and advise him that you must wait at least 12 months to be able to evaluate the result.

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. HG wanted me to mention that I am not a psychologist.

Thank you for shedding light on this situation.

Atticus

I would go with FUE hands down. I had 600 FUE to the hairline. I like not having a smiley face scar in the back of my head.

blahblah,

 

Dr. Umar has presented numerous impressive cases of his results on this forum. Whereas you may not agree, this topic is not the place to discuss his results in general. If you don't like a particular result and would like to share your opinion and reasons, please reply to a relevant topic. This topic should be reserved to discuss Hairyguy's experience, to which we've only heard one side of the story without photos.

 

Thanks for your cooperation,

 

Bill

Ah, the voice of reason. You are exactly right Bill. All I know is Dr. Umar is VERY cautious and does not rush the patient into anything. The patient has all the time in the world to ask questions, research and speak to Dr. Umar AHEAD of time. I find this one sided version of events very difficult to swallow as it does not sound like any experience I have ever had with Dr. Umar. So, yes, the Doc needs the patients consent to respond accordingly. Until then, this is only one sided story, and nothing else. Because of HIPPA laws, docs have their hands tied in responding to these types of things.

Just because this is the internet, does not mean we are not responsible for what we right down in these forums.

Res ipsa loqutior,

Atticus

drumar clinic can you please post pic if you have tackle that error thing you were getting

i have been on this forum not more then 2 months and i have seen lot of patient want to go with umar and then they decide to go to other fue doctors.one person on spencercobren said drumar came with leg hair bcz he knew now body hair and fue is done by most of the surgeon and with much lower cost. drumar still has not given more results of leghair.Can you post some more results of leg hair too apart from the guy with ponytail in whichnoone can even notice what leghair drumar is talking about.

I mean can you post some more pics and please close up and magnified pic with genuine light.

You seem to be going from one subject to the other. First, beard extraction pix are posted as per your request, and know you go one some incomprehensible rant about a radio show. The comments you have posted seem rather strange since you only joined here in 7/13. It seems like you have some kind of agenda.

Atticus

res ipsa loquitor The things speaks of itself

Atticus

Congrats on your make over, that is amazing. Smart lipo is tiny incision, and then the laser is used to tighten the skin. I have had smart lipo under me neck, pecks area/back area, and my stomach. These procedures are so non invasive and do not require aneathesia,you remain awake. The area is numbed so you don't feel anything, and that's pretty much it.

I used Dr. Thomas W. Barnes in Newport Beach, and highly recommend him.

Atticus

Umar's results have not been cosmetically impressive, especially with BHT, given its limited cosmetic utility. I do not believe he has publicly displayed results that match Erdogan or Lorenzo or Hakan.

I don't think this guy, for example, was expecting a mop of hair. This case is using body hair only. Cosmetic wise, he looks excellent compared to before and after.

Atticus

I think we should look at these super high number FUE procedures same way we look at super high number strip procedures. The vast majority of patients have nowhere near this many gratfs available via FUE, just like the vast majority of strip patients have nowhere near this many grafts available via strip.

 

the take home from this example is that fue can treat high norwood levels given they have the donor and the yield with FUE can easily approach that of strip in the right hands.

Atticus

I was thinking the same thing. The average person just doesn't happen to have 10k donor grafts available. For example, Dr. Umar specializes in cases other docs just don't want or simply cannot help. Due to his skill level, he often works on burn victims, or victims of other doctors butchery. He makes fue grow in to scar tissue for gods sake! Most of these patients have been robbed of precious donor hair by other docs.

In short, these patients cosmetic desires are merely to look normal, rather than look scarred and disfigured. They do not expect a mop of hair look, and they now this going in. The most important thing is that the patient is happy, and nothing else. We have to be careful and not make apples to oranges comparisons. Measuring this kid up with the perfect situation, 10k of head hair donor grafts, is not realistic. We all know that. Most NW4 to NW7's don't have nowhere near this amount of donor hair.

Atticus

Mickey, how many FUE surgeons can do FUE for > NW4? :Apart from a handful of surgeons liek Lorenzo, Erdogan, etc, not many. Even Bisanga and Feriduni use FUT for larger procedures. Remember, this was FOUR procedures and very costly. As a result it may not practical for your average dude....

Atticus: Reply to KO's statement - "Mickey, how many FUE surgeons can do FUE for > NW4? Apart from a handful of surgeons liek Lorenzo, Erdogan, etc, not many"

Dr. Umar has done very large FUE cases on NW7's with good results. He is one of the elite, who does not do FUT and only specializes in FUE and BHT.

Atticus

Amen - I heard/read all the myths you listed below when I first joined. The more I researched, the more I liked FUE. It was a no brainer decision for me - scar or no scar, I went with no scar. I am glad FUE is getting the recognition it always deserved. I hear less and less of the myths you listed as time has gone on, and the more exposure it gets, the better.

Atticus

Could not agree more...

 

Everyone is free to make up their own mind but FUE has constantly been breaking down walls for a few years now.

 

First it was "FUE is going back to the plug days" debunked

Then it was "The transection rate does not make it viable" debunked

Then it was "FUE is only good for small jobs and slight recession" debunked

Then it was "FUE cause too much fatigue for anything more than 1,000" debunked

Then it was "FUE is only good for 3,000 grafts' debunked

Then it was "Lorenzo can only restore high norwoods cause they are Spanish and have dense donors" debunked when he has restored Norwood 5 and 6s with an average amount of grafts.

Mentalist,

Hmmm, such defamatory statements like this:

" Dear David, we need to weed out the biased comments about a doctor?s work, specially by the patients who choose to "advertise" one?s work in exchange for touch-ups or a less expensive price for graft. That is clearly Atticus case. No one would expose himself that way out of nothing.

You make these type of defamatory statements as fact. You don't get to make up your own facts. What you wrote about me is completely untrue, and simply ridiculous!!!

You should be more careful about what you write.

Hi paulsgirl,

 

Thanks for letting me know. I am still reseaching into the procedure and am at the beggining. Why Dr Azar? I have jet black head hair which is mostly grey and really dont want grey eyebrows which I dont want to constantly dye! I will keep looking into the whole procedure. Very scared about this. I am going through laser permanent make up removal on my brows which was a total botched up job and have lost alot of my own brow hairs. I am very depressed about the whole ordeal.

 

I am looking into 3 doctors recommended above but at the moment would be grateful for any recommendations. A very sad person

 

I nearly considered Dr Jeffery Epstien untill i read the threads on here. Thank god for this website. I will not be considering him.

I had leg hair trasplanted in to the eyebrows. These hairs replicate eyebrow hair, and they don't grow long. Using head hair will result in extra thick looking brows that have to be constantly trimmed.

Atticus

This is me, I couldn't be happier:

Atticus

Yes, that's right. I am the first leg hair to eyebrow hair FUE case. Thanks Dr. Umar!!!!!

Los Angeles Eyebrow hair transplant Repair

Atticus

What can FUE do??

 

This thread is designed to show off FUE's incredible versatility and advantages over FUT and scalp tattooing. There are many misconceptions that FUE cannot or should not be used for higher Norwood patterns which is untrue. It excels in hairline work where the ability to 'cherry pick' finer caliber single-hair grafts are needed to replicate nature but it can certainly be used to transplant 6,000 grafts onto a Norwood 5. The ability to extract hair from the body has also lead to more natural looking results where very fine hair is needed(eyebrows, temples etc). FUE is also an avenue for those who are unhappy with their FUT scars and do not want to risk a revision and the premise of scalp tattooing is not for them. I will continue to build on examples of unique cases where FUE is utilized with great success.

 

Norwood 1:

 

836 grafts

Work of Dr Feriduni. Click to view profile

 

1,441 grafts

Work of Dr Feriduni. Click to view profile

 

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Norwood 2:

 

1,906 grafts

Work of Dr Feriduni. Click to view profile

 

2,360 grafts

Work of Dr Feriduni. Click to view profile

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Norwood 3:

 

2,154 grafts

Work of Dr Feriduni. Click to view profile

 

2,067 grafts

Work of Dr Feriduni. Click to view profile

 

2,543 grafts

Work of Dr Bisanga. Click to view profile

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Norwood 4:

 

2,533 grafts

Work of Dr Bisanga. Click to view profile

 

2,701 grafts

Work of Dr Lorenzo

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Norwood 5:

 

5,035 grafts

Work of Dr Lorenzo

 

2,600 grafts

Work of Dr Feriduni. Click to view profile

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Norwood 6:

 

3,939 grafts

Work of Dr Lorenzo

 

6,381 grafts

Work of Dr. Lorenzo

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Crown:

 

1,499 grafts

Work of Dr Feriduni. Click to view profile

 

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Scar repair:

 

278 grafts to conceal strip scar

Work of Dr Feriduni. Click to view profile

 

1,200 grafts to conceal strip scars:

Work of Dr Umar. Click to view profile

 

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More natural hairlines and temples:

 

Same patient, same surgeon. FUT in the top photo and then FUE in the bottom. You decide which looks more natural

Work of Dr Feriduni. Click to view profile

 

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Eyebrows:

 

Nape hair and hair from the legs often are more suitable for replicating thin caliber eyebrows

Work of Dr Umar. Click to view profile

 

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More examples to be added in time.

 

For the advantages and disadvantages of FUE. Click here.

 

For a more indepth look at the tools, methods and surgeons behind FUE, click here

 

For newcomers to hair transplantion, click here

Mickey,

The eyebrow guy is me! The eyebrows grow thicker and thicker as time goes on. I am very happy with the results.

Good examples.

Atticus

Umar is the bodyhair transplant king.

Yes!!!! Hands down. Bravo!

I can't find the post now, but someone wrote that "even Dr. Umar says you have to always trim transplanted eyebrow hair". Clarification - Constant trimming may be needed for someone who has had head hair transplanted in to the eyebrow area because head hair grows long and rapidly and require daily trimming, thus Dr. Umar's statement (though I have not read him saying that).

In Dr. Umar's case/my case, he used hair that mimics eyebrow hair. Further clarification, Dr. Umar may have said leg hair may need trimming ever three weeks or so, as opposed to daily with head hair. The leg hair in my eyebrows doesn't really need trimming, however, I trim them (maybe every three weeks) to shape them in to cool looking brows as is the style in men now.

Finally, as people age, they have to start trimming their eyebrow hairs anyway. All in all, my eyebrow work has kicked ass for me. I actually have eyebrows and no longer feel weird.

Atticus

Atticus, have head from you that Dr. Umar did a very good job on your eyebrow. Can you please show me your eyebrow picture please.

I will take some soon.

Atticus

Overstated? Fine caliber hair is crucial for a natural looking hairline and temples. FUT leaves that up to chance whereas with FUE hair from the nape can be used, hair from behind the ears can be taken, finer caliber hair toward to bottom of the donor can be extracted, even leg hair(as it is usually finer) can be used for hairlines if the donor is depleted or is too coarse. Overstated? How about understated.

I have to agree. I had nape hair used for my temple points and hairline. Absolutely nobody including friends, family and my barber have been able to tell I have had work done because nape hair mimics temple and hairline hair to the T. You simply cannot beat the naturalness of certain hand selected hairs being used for certain select locations. FUT cannot accomplish this customization.

Is it possible to grow hair long/medium length with FUE? You rarely see cases with longer hair. Something like this

yes, it is possible. The grafted hair will grow the same length as it did in its original location.

Maybe:

Why does he think it he gets such good results?

How does he combat fatigue? (he does most of the work himself ..right?)

 

I guess I still wonder about that thought that in Spain the people's hair is generally thick...but I dont know how you could ask that. Maybe "How is it different to work on thick/thin hair?"

 

Great threads. congrats!

"Maybe "How is it different to work on thick/thin hair?" That's a good question Magnum.

But generally is necessarily a lot of grafts or the number is fairly low for sideburns?

I can't see that many grafts being needed for such a small area.