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I do not like the number of grafts proposed for your procedure... Sorry Dope.
With only 1300 grafts for your level of hairloss, you will 100% be back in the chair in 10-12 months post-op.
You need 2500-3000 grafts to achieve adequate coverage and density and avoid any real permanent shock loss.
If you look at B spot's pics you will see what I mean. He might have had a bit more hair than you as well.
Anyways, good luck with your decision and keep us posted on what you decide. Thanks.
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Looks great!
So it sounds like you will have one more session and it will definitely be FUE and not strip? Will Dr. Shapiro be performing your FUE session or Dr. Rose?
Thanks for sharing your results.
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yeah I kinda had the same problem with gel when I was younger. Try using American Crew holding cream to spike your hair instead of regular old gel. The trick is use a small amount of the cream and apply when the hair is dry. In addition keep the hair on the side of your hair regularly trimmed to offset the thinning up top. If you can grow a beard/five o'clock shadow that also helps with the overall look, I find. There are also some shampoos that temporarily thickens your hair, such as Revivogen shampoo/conditioner.
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I mean you can probably get a bottle of saline from your HT doctor. Were you not provided with any kind of post-op solution spray? If not, just buy some graftcyte spray online.
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At 6 days some of the graft will have shed so it's difficult to tell the transplanted density from your pics. Well, to double check if you indeed got 2400 grafts, call the clinic again and ask for the length and width of your donor strip as well as your donor density.
At the very least you can verify the horizontal length of the strip by asking a friend to measure your donor scar. Assume strip width to be about 1cm and PM Gorpy to have him eye ball your native hair density or just assume 75 grafts/cm2. That should give you a rough ball park # for now until the clinic gets back to you with the specifics.
You will probably get a lot of out cry from some people here due to the fact that you went to Bosley, but don't sweat it too much. I think the work looks ok. Try not to stress out bro.
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Wow, you finally did it, NervousNelly. Looks great!
Why did you decide to shave only a certain part of the recipient? How long did your surgery take and do you know how long was your strip? Curious to know.
Anyways, Thanks for sharing. Heal well.
Originally posted by NervousNelly:Finally did get a chance to meet Janna and she is super sweet and a real looker. I'm married but still can look and sorry guys she is married also.
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Surgery Info: 2700 grafts (5100 hairs) transplanted at frontal 1/3 of scalp.
Cheers.
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Surgery Info: 2700 grafts (5100 hairs) transplanted at frontal 1/3 of scalp.
Cheers.
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Originally posted by pokerbrat:
thanks rp..have been thinking about getting it to cover shockloss if i have any after my surgery. Would it be able to cover up any around the scar if i needed too?
I think it's easier to "paint" Dermmatch on the donor scar area rather than tilt your head and sprinkle toppik on it.
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hey..i was interested in getting toppik for the crown area and i was wondering
1. Does this stuff really work and is it as easy to apply as they say on the website?
Yeah it works, especially on the crowm area.
2. Is it messy..come off of the hair?
Well, if you distribute it well with a comb and spray it down with some hair spray then it somewhat stays in place. Some comes off if you scratch your head though I find.
3. Can you put it in your hair..and then apply gel or like a pomade/waxy type product or will it ruin the application?
No you can't slather a lot on really. I mean if you sprinkle some on the crown only and just gel the front of your hair then I guess that would be a okay. Still might be a little messy.
4. Does water get it out easily or do you really have to shampoo?
A little bit of rain or sweat won't hurt. Don't think it would survive a down pour though.
I like Dermmatch a bit better though it takes a bit longer to apply. I own both.
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Well... Dr. Rassman's stance on laser therapy is confusing in that he publically bashes the technology but then offers laser therapy as a free service at his clinic?
Check this out:
http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/146...461019023#9461019023
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OK cool. Makes sense now.
Also, dO you know your donor density? I mean to create the illusion of density, the recipient should be about 50% of original density.
If we assume original density is your donor density to be say 90/cm2 then in order to achieve illusion of density, the recipient should be planted with around half of that i.e. 45ish.
But ofcourse if your donor density was 80/cm2 then transplanting 40/cm2 should be ok.
In the end, 7 months is still not the end results. I'm sure more thickening will come. Thanks for sharing your progress.
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Originally posted by creepingback:
I measured the widest width and the longest point and got <span class="ev_code_RED">12w 6L</span> and it worked out in both cases to be about 50cm2... does thing seem accurate? giving me around 40 per cm2...maybe some just didnt take...
Uh... You said 12 by 6, right? Isn't that 72cm2 NOT 50cm2? If so, Gorpy is right.
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You should do a quick sanity check to see if the transplanted density is indeed around 40/cm2. Get a tape measure and meaure out a rough triangle or rectangle of the transplanted area and divide that with the amount of grafts you got.
Looking at the pics it might be a bit less than 40/cm2 and coupled that with the fine tecture of your hair and the area that is need to be covered, the results could be a bit thinner than you originally expected. But pictures can be deceiving. You should PM Gorpy, he is good at estimating these sorts of things.
I mean when you consulted with H &W, how many grafts did they recommended?
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Hi PowerRanger,
I won't repeat what everyone else said about Bosley and MHR.
Just wanted to see if you considered or even know of concealers products such as Dermmatch and Toppik. They are excellent products and just might be the things you need to get instant gratification on your hair-thinning problems for now.
These concealers won't stop hair loss, but they might get you by until you are ready to seriously think about an HT.
Check out this thread for more info:
http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/showthread.php?t=142583
Good luck.
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Plan on growing your hair about at least an inch in length so that it can cover over and hide the stapled up donor closure (I think Dr. F gives his patients staples not sutures). Be informed that The doctor will shave some of the donor to faciliate the extraction of the strip. Just to be safe it might not hurt to order concealers such as toppik or dermmatch now so that you'll have them in the event that you experience visible donor area shockloss after 10-12 days post-op.
Strip length depends on session size. Conservatively most people have hair density of around 70 grafts/cm2 and the strip vertical width is commonly between 1 to 1.5 cm so you can figure out roughly the horizontal length of your strip based on how many grafts you will be getting.
Since there is a good chance that you will be getting staples, make sure that you clean the donor thoroughly everyday in the showers by firmly rubbing on the donor closure with your fingers in order to prevent any scabs from forming in that area. Because if you don't, when it's time to take out the staples, it will hurt like you wouldn't believe.
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That looks very clean. And it seems from the pics that most of the slits are sagital?
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The pictures can be pretty deceiving. Just looking at the pics with your hair combed forward, it really does not look like you have that much loss at all from the side view. Only the straight forward shot do I see that there is indeed loss and minization of hair.
I'd be interested to hear what the doctors recommend for your particular situation. I cannot tell if the miniturized hairs at the very front, though thin but still long enough to give some sort of coverage, can still be saved with finasteride or something.
NervousNelly,
When you say "blasting", do you mean transplanting over the existing native hair with as many FU as possible WITHOUT WORRYING about TRANSECTING the miniturized hair?
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JOBI,
I agree with you that it will NOT CAUSE hairloss. I'm just saying it VERY likely ACCELERATED my hairloss since I'm genetically sensitive to DHT.
Just a question for you. How much do you squat or deadlift? How old are you?
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Originally posted by Mrjb:
Steroids on the other hand may "speed up" the balding process if you are pre-disposed to it.. Let's face it, it increases your testostorone levels and DHT so if your hair is sensitive to DHT , you might be in trouble
The thing is that a bulking regimen where by you stive to gain 1lb+ per week with HEAVY compound lifting, little cardio, coupled with a high calorie high protein diet actually puts your body into a systematic anabolic state SIMILAR to the effects of steroid to a certain degree i.e. raising your testosterone to an ununsually high level.
I just want to DIFFERENTIATE between just going to the gym and lifting weights to get toned and healthy versus a program designed to bulk you up quickly with a lot of muscle mass. There is a big difference between the two. The former should be apart of any healthy lifestyle, but I think the latter needs to be looked at more carefully.
Maybe it is just a coincidence, but for me at least, I noticed heavy hairloss after a year of bulking - i.e. heavy lifting (I was squatting & deadlifting 315 and benching 225) and high calories and high excess protein diet, which I know wasn't 100% heathly - I was more concerned with bulking up.
Those of you who think that bulking does not accelerate hairloss, weren't you guys already initially a NW4plus anyway? So isn't it more difficult for you guys to notice the hairloss versus someone who was originally a NW2 or 3 when they started a bulking regimen?
I think this whole topic of whether a bulking NON-steroid regimen accelerates hair loss or not isn't FULLY studied and I strongly think there is some correlations. Any comments or thoughts?
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I don't know how it is in Canada but in the US, PRESCRIBED generic finasteride that you get at the pharmacy, which is what I use are made in the US which I have confirmed with two US coalition docs.
Do you know which brand of the generics you are asking about? But if the generics brands are
Generic Propecia:
Finax (Dr. Reddy's)
Finpecia (Cipla)
Generic Proscar:
Finast (Dr. Reddy's)
Fincar (Cipla)
all 4 of these generics brands are made in India. Cipla and Dr. Reddy's are huge corporations in India and they have the size, the money, the R&D, and ability to produce a quality generic for finasteride. It is just up to you what you are comfortable with.
By the way I think I read another one of your posts asking about how long do you have to wait after an HT before you can play hockey again. Is that Right? LOL!! That is so Canadian!! LOL!! No wonder you guys are about as good as the Swedes and the Finns in Hockey... Always eagered to get back on the ice.... EH? LOL!!
So have you started playing, yet? I'd take it easy for at least a month. What excuses are you telling your teammates?
Heal well, bro!
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Originally posted by Bill:
Actually Single Strip harvesting refers to Strip surgery just as the multiple strip technique refers to Strip Surgery.
Single strip surgery basically means that the strip is taken out at once rather than traditionally in sections (like Multiple-Strip surgery)
In all honesty, I'm not a fan of his single strip method, and perhaps later I'll take the time to read why exactly he feels this is better.
IMO, single strip removal verses multiple strip harvesting is more risky and makes it more difficult to judge donor laxity - etc. There has been one such case of Dr. Rassman's that I know of where it could easily be debated that if the strip was removed in sections, a particular patient wouldn't have had as much damage to the donor area.
Bill,
You are confusing terminologies here, I think. Read Dr. Rassman's website carefully.
"Multiple-Strip" = Multi-bladed knife (This is a BIG NO NO)
"Single-Strip" or Single Strip harvesting = Single or two-bladed knife (every doc in the coalition uses them)
All docs in the coalition, including Dr. Rassman cuts the Single-Strip, if it's too long, into multiple sections of same vertical width before extracting each sections of the Single-Strip from the scalp for microscope dissection.
Bleachcola12,
Welcome to the wonderful world of HT acronyms. Here is a short lession:
"FUE" = "FIT" = "FOX" all are basically the same. This is the technique where the doc plucks single follicular units from the donor.
"FUT" refers to Single-Strip where from the donor, the doc extracts a wide and long strip, which gets microscopically dissected by the technicians into single follicular units.
Any doctors who use a Multi-bladed knife on the donor, you should run away from like the wind.
Dr. Rassman, who is a very good and ethical doc, as stated in his website does NOT use a Multi-bladed knife.
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No he does single strip harvesting:
http://www.newhair.com/treatment/fut-single-strip-harvesting.asp
The reason why you probably hear a lot about FUE from him is because he is widely considered to be one of the pioneers in the technique.
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Wow, Gorpy. I have to say it again. I think your HT especially your hairline is one of the best and truely exemplifies Dr. Keane's ability.
Not a hair too much or too little.
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