UGLY MAN 4 LIFE

Originally posted by Alexander:

Yes H&W get results. But let's make sure we realize why they get the results. It's not becaue of the lateral slit technique...It's becaue they figured out a way to extract larger numbers of grafts from patients. If the lateral slit technique is inherently superior, then they wouldn't need to use as many grafts to achieve a look of coverage, right? But they use more grafts than anyone else to get the results they do, so just keep that in mind. And there is no such thing as total coverage, there isn't enough donor hair to achieve such a thing.

You're doing the patient a *diservice* by under quoting him on his total available donour and limiting your procedure sizes. There's nothing comparable about their results with other pictures on the forum. You can look at the 7000 graft cases, particularly the cases where the hairs were dense packed mostly in the frontal third. Looks the same/similar as cases with a smaller graft count right? Sure they do! In photos! Take it outside, add some wind and sun and that's where the numbers count. You can't fool nature from every angle in daylight. Numbers count as much as placement technique.

Show me another clinic that works on high level NW's and brings the bad candidates back to total coverage and the good candidates to a non-balding look. Every clinic should be able to work on the small cases, there's nothing special in that at all.

Give credit where credit is due. H&W were the originators of the lateral slit technique, and everyone followed. Results talk and b.s. walks, there's no point in discussing the technicalities of what we don't understand, the best we can do is look at the end product, and the end product is head and shoulders above the rest at this particular clinic relative to all the clinics I've seen on this site and others.

Originally posted by Alexander:

Any good doctor does the following: Matches the angle of the transplanted hair as closely as possible to the angle of the existing hairs, or as closely as possible to the way the hair naturally would grow on a patient. If this is lateral slit, then so be it. H&W are not the only doctors in the world doing that.

They may as well be, because I've seen no one come close to their work in terms of consistency and density.

Does it pay anything? Or are we exposing our scalps again for nothing.

Zerro, these guys do it as a hobby, and it's a damn funny show too.

I'd say about 2000 grafts aswell.

Depends on what kind of hair. If it's male MPB hair then it will grow in slower because the follicle is damaged. Otherwise it'll grow back about the same time.

through short hair. Such a long scar, if detectable, would not look good.

That's quite a bit of skin to take out. Usually they will take out 1.5-2cm on a virgin scalp on his first go - unless he has exceptional laxity.

The scalp exercises do work, but you have to do them right. Do them like I say and do them fast - the speed builds momentum otherwise you can't get decent movement happening. They've helped me very substantially. I went from not being able to pinch any skin when having my chin touching my chest to being able to pinch a cm or two. I can also move it quite liberally when facing the floor which was not the case before.

H&W say in their post op instructions:

"Many patients are too careful when cleaning their recipient area 7 to 8 days after surgery. You must return to normal washing one week post-op. It is important to clean this area using your fingertips with the goal of having no scabs or excess build-up or crusts 8-10 days post-op. "

but it goes on to warn:

"The only activity to avoid when washing your hair is physically lifting the scalp up and down in an aggressive manor over the incision or scratching of both areas with your fingernails."

It really depend's on how well the hairs set in. You probably know that better than me. I'm sure you've got some sense and you didn't pull a scab off if the holes were still open.

laxity

age

donour quality

expectations

family history & potential future balding pattern

If you're only problem is when you use gel, then you have too much hair for a HT. HT's don't bring people back to being able to gel or wet their hair and look non-balding. The very best they can do is make you look non-balding when *dry*.

You'll also likely get shockloss of existing hairs from the surgery, and you'll speed up your hairloss by 1 hair cycle (2 years or so).

The trichophytic is a closure technique, it would still involve a regular strip excision. Tricho isn't magic, if your scalp is tight the scar will stretch and you won't get the amazing results you see some of the clinics posting.

I suggest you do those scalp exercises thoroughly. BUT, make sure you change your clasp at the back. What you want to do is put one hand on the one side of the scar, and the other hand on the other side of your 2nd scar. You basically want to try to hold the skin between your two scars in a sort of constant state when you're doing the stretching because the first skin to stretch will be the scars themselves.

At the end of the day, your results will depend on your doctors skill and how lax your scalp is. If you weren't accessed in person, I find it strange that someone could guarantee you a certain result without seeing how tight your skin is. Just make sure you do the exercises right, and don't waste the hairs in between your two scars - i.e. have the doctor plant them somewhere.

Good luck.

Also, it seems like one or two of the guys on this thread are looking at HT as the ticket that's going to suddenly help them get lucky with young skirts. Which, I'm sorry, but is just creepy and offensive to me as a woman. I think most women would feel the same way. Particularly the young skirts.

What's wrong with dating younger women?

Spursman

Do you think you can maybe post some pics with your face covered so we can better guess the graft count? I mean, it really depends on what you consider to be a NW4-5. People's opinions vary.

1. You can't go too low because you'll reach the nape/neck area and that doesn't heal well, so you could get a big scar. I think usually it's about an inch and a bit up from where your actual skull starts at the back - so far away from your neck bones.

2. DHT can sometimes cause hair around the sideburns and upper ears to turn into hair that's similar to your beard. They've had studied done that showed this was androgen related. The hair in question will not grow very long, and will tend to be coarser relative to what it was before androgens took effect (ie - it used to be straight and long in the region).

3. Not too sure, you should probably speak to your doctor about it.

Not at 5 months post op. First week maybe.

I can't comment on the specifics without seeing what you're talking about in pics, but here's one of the best HT's on a NW6 I've ever seen:

http://www.hairlossweblogs.com/home-page.asp?WebID=27

Browny217

It's hard to give you a graft estimate without seeing some photos. It's like saying I have a car that doesn't start, how much to fix it?

How satisfied you'll be depends on what your expectations are. What do you want to be able to do with your HT?

With HT density, you're unlikely to be able to go swimming without it appearing thin, also you're unlikely to be able to get out of the shower, slop a can of gel on your head and go out.

What you may be likely to do is to look non-balding when dry - depending on how good your donour hair is.

Hi guys,

I was wondering whether minox irritation could be something that would affect the growth of grafts? My skin looks pretty bad up there, almost like it's been burnt and it has alot of residue left over. I plan to stop minox 1 month prior to surgery.

Any help is appreciated.

Cheers fellas.

Hi guys,

I was wondering whether minox irritation could be something that would affect the growth of grafts? My skin looks pretty bad up there, almost like it's been burnt and it has alot of residue left over. I plan to stop minox 1 month prior to surgery.

Any help is appreciated.

Cheers fellas.

I get them from unitedpharmacies.com, not sure if they're the cheapest but it avoids me having to refill prescriptions every month.

Hey worried

I think you're the guy who had work done at Bosley a few months ago.

I haven't had a HT myself (one is scheduled) and I haven't seen a wet HT in person, so using the only experience I do have which is basically, knowing what diffuse thinning hair looks like in photos and being able to "detect" little subtleties that tell me about the true density - based all on my own diffuse loss.

From what I can tell, it's unlikely that you'll get away with it. It's hard enough for the best of HT's to look non-balding when dry and in the sun. The primary reason being that their just isn't enough hairs. The parting gaps are alot wider than normal, and when you clump the hair together you'll see alot of scalp.

Originally posted by maki8787:

and to reply to UGLY MAN 4 LIFE ,people who post on hairlosshelp.com forums are so negative, almost everybody there are against HT or propecia.

i cant bealive 90% of people there on hairlosshelp.com forums have sides of propecia!??

remember,3 HT doctors i spoke with they racomanded propecia and almost ALL their pacients are using propecia!!!

 

only thing im scared now is shadding,i lost a lot of hair in last 4 weeks on propecia!!

Dude, I'm not against him taking propecia. I'm taking propecia myself, I was just checking if other people have felt dizzy.

The people who are against HT's at HLH are a select few and they are also the same group of loudmouths who push FUE. They are the same people who engage in bickering with anybody who says anything against FUE or any of it's pracising doctors.

All you have to do is look at the time when Peter Mac (very smart guy who worked in the HT field) published a study he did on which technique offered the highest potential donour availability. Instead of using logic to debate you had a bunch of troublemakers attacking Peter directly, and not his study.

I prefer the level headed approach used here. Here at least you warn younger patients of the dangers but you don't use b.s. rhetoric about armani hairlines being "screaming obvious". It gets tiring and the young guys just end up leaving the forum and going to bosley.

Originally posted by Lon:

I talked with Limmer and many more and they said that alot of these places make a big deal about angle and direction..and its a sales pitch to make you think they do something extra..and its not that big of a deal..You are right that he does use needles and says he has good results without focusing too much on direction and angle. I appreciate the feedback you guys are giving.I like to hear different sides to an issue. I have just been doin alot of research and it seems alot of doctors warn of the doctors that charge so much..because a hair transplant really isn't that hard or complicated...and unless you are rich..price is a substancial factor..for most.

What you're paying for when you go to a place like H&W is a team of 2-3 techs working on implanting, and another 3-4 disecting. You pay for a doctor who's done thousands of surgeries and more importantly, you pay for the potential to have 1 hair transplant versus going in every year for multiple surgeries. H&W have done surgeries of upto 7000 FU's in a day (if you have the laxity).

If it was upto me personally, I wouldn't exchange a scar to have an extreme sparse look.

The doctor definitely sounds like he's one of the good guys. He isn't bs-ing people and credit must be given where credit is due. However, I firmly believe that he is very wrong on angulation, and furthermore I'm somewhat unimpressed by clinics who do not step up to the plate and increase the capacity of their procedures to offer patients more grafts.

2000 grafts these days is what many would consider to be the absolute minimum for someone to consider a strip surgery. If I was relatively mature and had a low chance of losing more hair, I'd go with FUE if I didn't need a large number of grafts.

I personally haven't had any problems, infact, I can concentrate and focus now with less sleep than I could a year ago.

Actually, here's a website that claims finasteride can cause dizziness:

http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/pdisease/prostate/prostatedrugs.html

"Adverse Reactions: Side effects include breast enlargement and tenderness, skin rash, swelling of lips, abdominal pain, back pain, decreased libido, decreased volume of ejaculate, diarrhea, dizziness, headache, and impotence. "

Here are some links to threads with people experiencing a similar phenomina:

http://hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10...05&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

http://hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10...52&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

http://hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10...17&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

http://hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10...85&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

http://hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10...85&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

http://hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10...08&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

You should probably look into that, maybe think about lowering the dose.