UGLY MAN 4 LIFE

Dopey I'm from Australia and have sent you a PM.

Yeap, you are an asswipe.

You'll need at least 5000-6000 grafts. You can probably get it too if go to Dr. Hasson. Mind you, to get these sorts of numbers you'll have to have good laxity (scalp exercises!) and be willing to accept a longer than average scar (front of ear to front of other ear usually). If you stick around the forum long enough, you'll figure out that Dr. Hasson does the largest sessions. Since you want density, that's the first place I personally would look. The smaller sessions aren't a good idea for your case, IMO. Good luck. Bernstein charges alot from what I hear.

Do yourself a favour and only go to coalition docs that do large sessions. Feller and H&W are the only two that I know of. Many of the coalition docs prefer smaller session HT's and you'll be running the HT treadmill for 5 years if you go for the 1500 graft/procedure sessions. Checkout www.hairlosshelp.com/websites/jcwhair as an example of what can be done with very fine donour hair. Bottom line is you need to see the doctors in person (specifically those who do large sessions), and have them access you properly. I've seen alot of cases that people write off as inoperable that turn out not to be so once the doctor has a look.

you insinuate i was attempting to decieve him somehow or not give him the pictures he asked for! Apologies for my attitude spex but it did seem that way to me at the time. If you posted your picture with a quick message about how to interpret it, then I wouldn't have jumped to conclusions. Again what I'm saying in no way has anything to do with Dr. Feller's work - he's an awesome surgeon. It's got to do with what I felt was exclusion of information. If this guy had just recently started researching HT's your first and second pictures look like you have a full head of dense hair - and that's what all pictures looked like to me when I first started researching. So again, I apologise if you felt insulted.

Please show me where i made out you can give someone a full head of hair wet/dry from 32x2 cm strip You asked for wet pictures...I gave you wet pictures... sorry you feel they are not sufficient or acceptable to you - you can't say i did try! You know damn right that he meant pictures from when someone goes swimming - NOT pictures where someone combs a brush that they've held under a tap through their hair. Who cares what you look like if you run a damp brush through your hair? NO ONE! Because no one walks around like that.

Common Spex that's not out of the pool - that's damp at best. I've said many times Dr. Feller is a champ but there's no need to make out like you can give someone a full head of hair wet and dry from a small 32x2cm strip of hair from the back.

Spex, why don't you post a photo of it soaked wet from above?

Most high level norwoods will have visible signs of MPB with wet hair.

Rogaine works on all hair, it was tested and proved only for the crown so that's the only way it can legally be marketed.

Unfortunately, that concept won't be grasped that well until they see the first outlines of a NW5. Most of them don't believe it could get that bad.

IMO I think doctors who are performing 3-4 sessions should be made to explain themselves or at least have the patient fully informed. I've seen a number of cases on this forum from coalition docs who I think, have overstated the densities patients can expect.

Watch for the skin immediately around the follicle getting red ("redder" than the pink glow from the transplant). If that happends you probably want to be more forceful in trying to get them out. You don't want the skin in that are to be irritated by a follicle that's stuck or something. You should probably ask your doctor about it though.

Hi Kevyn, It's a nice hairline shape but you needed closer to like 5000+ grafts for the area transplanted. If Dr. Charles told you that you were going to look in any way non-balding then he was pulling your leg.

I agree with that, although I haven't looked at all the doctors doing BHT, just one who I know does this very thing.

I agree. Its interesting how short sighted people are.

IMO two months is not enough. To be sure, you need three. With 3000 grafts, is seems like he is covering a lot of area, and with Dr Wong shaving, you might not grow it fast enough. Also, the native hair will most likely fall because of the dense packing and it will take 2-3 months (or longer to really grow,) so while no one will know, for a while you will look worse than before the HT. Oh he'll be bald, I'm just saying his recipient will have healed. No scabbing, etc. The scar will still be red, he might look pinkish in the HT area but doubt it would be anything major.

You'll look fine in two months, but I doubt the shockloss will have grown back if you have existing hair.

Domie, You look absolutely fantastic. It's nuts how great you look. BTW - what did Dr. Wong think of your hair type? Were you above average in terms of shaft diameter and texture?

With regards to splitting the grafts up, would the additional scar tissue surrounding the grafts somewhat limit the proximity of their distribution in the recipient? So basically I'm asking, can you plant them as Dr. Feller suggested without sqeezing them into slits that are too small or in some other way compromising the yield?

Wouldn't logically it be better for H&W to understate graft counts? So they lose a few hundred bucks per surgery but gain massive market share because their results look so fantastic for such small numbers. Hyping up the grafts and not provding the results is stupid and will lead to people speculating about yield problems - that's not a positive thing to differentiate yourself on, you're better off doing and saying nothing.

You seem quite hostile. Don't let your emotions get the best of you it is simply a matter of different philosophy and it is up to the consumer to decide what is best for them. But to do this they need to see both sides of the story. There are TWO sides to every story. They have good and bad results like every other top doc. The difference is the presence of patients on the forums. It is quite bizzarre behavior that you don't see from other docs. For some reason they have motivation to hang around the forums, almost to the point of policing them as I see you are sort of doing to an extent. Other docs like to stay low key and that is a good thing if they don't want to get involve in the mudslinging for no good reason that goes on. This is once again where the domination of the forums marketing tactic comes into play. On the forums I have seen them go on to silence their own( fellow recipient of transplant from their clinic) when they come to the board and are not satisfied with their result. The matter is quickly swept under the rug. Results posted are oooed and aaaaaawed if they are one of their own. Good results from other top docs are not necessarily criticized in all cases but there is always that belittling jab thrown in here and there so it doesn't shine like it rightfully should. From a sociological perspective it would be described as gang-like. Jotronic catapaulted his clinic into the spotlight. He came along in early times of this industry, an industry with a dark history, and showed off his results. With his internet savvy, he became the orinal dominant presence on the forums and marketed his clinic to the top. It's none of my business but they owe him alot for what he did for them from a marketing stand point. Had Jotronic gone to any of the other top docs they could have done the same for him in terms of fixing his bad transplant as he is blessed with great elasticity in his donor that allowed for multiple strip procedures to get him to where he is now. Had Jotronic gone to another top doc they would have been the beneficiary of all of Jotronics marketing genious, the average Joe that got saved by his clinic. His clinic took off from his dominant presence on the forums. Had Jotronic poor elasticity in his donor, it would not have had such a happy ending and would not have been as lucrative for both parties involved. You don't see it from other docs because their results are shit. Your other "coalition" docs are totally unimpressive with the exception of one or two doctors. The rest of them use tools that look like someone's been poking your head with a pool queue, plant the hairline with *visible* gaps in the hair - a good example here is the woman who recently had her hairline done and has her picture posted on the photos section. There was no need for a non-fpb patient to conserve donour. Furthermore, her HT will be THIN and I said just that. This simply shows a pathetic doctor not willing to do right by his patient. This woman will NOT be able to wear her hair normally like she may have had the chance to, had she gone to a decent clinic. Joe Tillman did not originall work for H&W when he posted his first photos. You clearly like to view things one way, and you'll clearly have more of these weak points to add because you argue with the logic of a woman, so I'm not going to bother offering any logic backwards, I'll just tell you where you're wrong.

No there is a danger. A real danger as a matter of fact. You see as the years roll on the transplanted hair stays thick and strong as the unttransplanted hair recedes and miniaturizes. This is process goes unnoticed, and then the patient looks in the mirror and notices these grafts standing out more and more eventually to the point where it is blatantly obvious that it just doesn't look right. With the donor wiped out, good luck trying to fix it. That is poor surgical planning to exhaust donor reserves in one pass before the patient has COMPLETELY halted hair losss or you some how have a crystal ball and you can see the ultmate norwood level of the patient. It doesn't matter where the grafts are packed. In about 10 years we'll see who is right. 10 years isn't an eternity. There's something brown thrown against the walls, it sticking but it ain't mud. That was a nice break down of price. In the end your clinic makes more and it was a smart financial strategy in the sense that a dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. Time value of money allows your clinic to reap the benefits of earned interest and you don't have to worry about if the patient has a chance to see the grown out result, not like what they see , and not come back. Whether the patient wants to rush to the point of completion or not, it just isn't in their best interest at times physically and financially. You have been in this game a long time so anything that anyone says, you can come back and say something else. You have been playing this hair transplant game for a long time and your paid to do what you do. You have vested interest. I don't make money from showing the other side of the story and I don't represent any doctor. I speak for all the top docs that can produce good results. Don't drive the economics of the hair transplant industry by running up the graft nubers to a ridiculous level in one surgery. Things change NOT for the good sometimes. Sometimes things are forced to change because people have demanded what they THINK is right because this is what is forced onto them. Even the good conservative docs must reach a point and change for the bad to stay in business. There is NOTHING wrong with a decent moderate size procedure. See how it looks on YOUR head with YOUR hair characteristics. See how YOUR yield turns out. See where YOUR hair loss is heading. See if different technologies come about that are less invasive. And don't cut the grafts up, if what i read is correct. Leave them alone unless you need to make a few extra singles for the front. With inflation at around 3%, it would almost 7 years for your time value of money to count. So unless your crappy results last you 7 years (scoff, ROLFMAO, LMAO, etc, etc) you lose. Clearly you're talking a little bit out of your field on a number of topics.

Well you can always continue to walk around with your infinitely "natural" results (AKA bald) and go with that. Whatever floats your boat pal.

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