NervousNelly

Bill,

I think the question he was asking is without the HT's what norwood do you think you would be?

Proactive,

It is a great thing that you are on the meds. From what I have read though I don't think that everyone necessarily has to take daily propecia in order for it to be effective. Try taking it 3-4 times/week and see if it works without causing side effects. I take it 1-2/week and it seems to have slowed hair loss and no side effects. All of our bodies are different as to how we are effected by the different hormone levels.

If you can send us pics we can give you a little better advise but Bill gave some good advise about seeing the coalition docs. It sounds like you have done some research your self which is a good thing. The more knowledgeable the better. Good luck.

Nothing like a good mullet. Growing up in Canada a mullet was also referred to as hockey hair-- the long hair blowing in the breeze outside the helmet. Not sure your wife or mine would approve of us with this style but how cool to have the option!

Bill,

Just curious as to what style of haircut you tend to prefer? I understand that there are several options when you have the density you'll likely get, but with all the research you've done I'm sure you are aware of what tends to "look best" for most people with a HT. I understand that there are several variables but the short on sides and back with 2inches up top tends to appear more dense. Is the hairstyle you currently sport for growing out or is this probably what you tend to have?

Kind of a strange question I know but since you have had 2 prior HT's I'm sure you have experimented and have a vision or hope as to what you will be able to pull off. It will kind of give me an idea as to what I might be able to shoot for as I believe I may have 6000+ FU left to play with. I would love to have the combed back sort of spikey look--I'm a throwback from the 80's. We have all seen however several guys that I think get overly excited about having hair and grow it too long and it tends to take away from the technical artistry of the work. Just curious!

B Spot,

Thanks for taking the time to share that magnificant website with the so many before/after photos and the several close-ups and informative detail. Pathetic but unfortunately probably effective. I'm sure that there are several people that had results that are just happy to have hair but are unaware of the capabilities and consistency with the coalition docs. I thought that my HT 16 yrs ago was pretty cool until more of my native hair started to disappear. Then it wasn't so cool.

As well, whatever the intentions of the poster are, quite sure the F bomb alone isn't going to sway our opinions.

PB,

Another session will only be gravy. Things look great now so a little more density and alterring the hairline will top things off. Has doc Feller mentioned how many more FU you have in the donor area?

My point of the pics is that it is awesome that you have done this on your own and when capable I think the docs should do more of it. Thanks again.

Spummerr,

Please take some time to thoroughly read many of the posts on this site and B Spot's response will make a lot of sense to you.

The results do look great and you might be right about all the hairs starting their growth cycle, but Bill is right about things changing in the next few months and it will give a better overall idea of where to focus on next HT. Thats not to mention the healing capabilies of the body. From all the research that I have read, 7 months does seem a little early. Ofcourse the majority of time getting more FU with a gifted surgeon will result in more hair, but the concern is the aesthetics and the stress on your scalp. If the hair is not fully matured, the surgeon will have to take an educated guess as to where he/she wants to add FU. I would think that this might even be more of a concern if you are going to a different surgeon. Can I ask why you are having a different doc this time?

PB,

Truly amazing work by Dr. Feller. It is quite the transformation and I'm sure that you are extremely happy with the results.

As I always harp about it--If you are capable of such excellent photos and a detailed progress, why can't the docs do it. Their office managers need to wise up.

Thanks a tonne for the great post. Have a great holiday.

S-N-P,

Things look great and will only continue to get better. Glad to hear that you are happy with the results and it has had a positive influence on your confidence. Keep us posted.

Dr. Feller,

This has been an interesting thread. Ofcourse as we all know in any forum like this we type what we want and wait for a response. Quite often what we say is misinterpreted or we don't get that immediate opportunity to elaborate or qualify our statements.

It is very clear that none of us questioned your skills or ethics as a doctor and you have acknowledged that as I am glad to see. We do appreciate you engaging in a little banter with us about several different topics--just this time it pertained to your office policies. I'm pretty sure that you understood that I was in your corner backing your policy because it makes sound business sense. I guess I just thought that it might have been best to be a tad bit more toned done when discussing your desire for profits. This is not a bad thing though as you are displaying your honest thoughts and I shouldn't fault you for that. You asked me about my aspirations in my professional life for wanting to achieve as much as I deserve and you are right. The difference is that I try to not display that in front of potential clients. Just a difference between us and neither are right or wrong.

I appreciate your response, your honesty and your skills as a physician. You have provided a lot for this forum and this field in general. I respect you and your philosophies and I hope that you continue to be a strong supporter of this site.

Bill,

Ya I guess I don't know what I was thinking you are still very early in the growth cycle--any signs at all of the new stuff??

Damn, once that new stuff begins to grow and fill in we'll have to add one more name for you--Bushero!

B Spot,

Thanks for the suggestion. After a little thought I am going to scrap the idea of 2nd HT and shoot for the eyelash transplant. I figure that with those babies it will draw peoples attention away from ever noticing I had plugs. In all seriousness though, I'm no expert on eyelashes but those suckers are pretty freaky aren't they?

Hey Fullhead,

Is that really a photo of you or is that Quincy Jones? You look great and it seems very early in the process. Good for you. Make sure you continue to post as we are all looking forward to seeing your progress. I have a sense that there may be more coverage than I had originally thought for you. Unless it is my imagination, it seems like when you let your donor hair longer it made the coverage area appear smaller?? It seems usually the opposite for us caucasions. Does anyone else see that or is it just me over analyzing? I think that the hairline chosen is perfect. Given time you are going to be very satisfied with things.

Bill,

To lighten things up--I do like how your name gets altered from time to time---"Billros". Its kind of like Velcro, you know how it sticks to you and you just can't shake it. I'm sure this is how some of the docs feel when you step outside the box and bring up some great discussions and very valid points. "Damn that Velcro/Billro guy." Keep bringing on these topics as we all benefit immensely from your "unabashed" drive for educating and creating change and looking out for us little guys. Its very much appreciated. Can you tell I just figured out how to use the graemlins? If a computer idiot like myself can figure this out I'm sure that these docs can figure out how to post the type of photos and info we are demanding, especially when it potentially may increase their $$$.

Bill,

I'm really impressed with how things look. You're right, there appears to be very little in terms of shock loss. I think that the hairline is near flawless and it looks like there is going to be a good deal of coverage at the crown. Can't wait to see the next post. Best of luck.

Bill,

In a perfect world I totally agree with you that you hate to see the little guy lose and you make a good arguement for it. Possibly this is something that Dr. Feller could evaluate as I'm sure he knows the costs of a day without a surgery. There is the chance that when he evaluates the numbers he might be able to restructure his policy as it might not be as big of a financial hit as he thinks. As you alluded to, there is the other side of things as well, such as the future referrals from the happy client that got his money back. If indeed it is true that he has only had a couple of instances of having to alter the surgery it might not be a big deal.

I think that we are all in agreement that Dr. Feller does great work but I will agree with Bill that some of his statements referring to money are a little strong. I'm in the healthcare business and I think it is very important to be a little more tactful when talking to potential patients about your desires for profits. I thought my previous post went before his (not sure what happened), and I thought I gave a pretty good arguement as to why these doctors needed to be concerned about the financial side of things. It obviously benefits them and in the long run will benefit us. I tried to spell things out diplomatically and was in full support of Dr. Feller and other physicians, but was a little saddened to see his kind of blunt, brazen response.

Again, I reiterate that it is us, the consumer who is putting the pressure on the doctors to provide alternate forms of HT and do it with highly trained techs, in a sterile environment, with advanced techniques and at a competitive price. This costs a lot of money for the physicians and they have no choice to pass it on to us. I have no problems with them making lots of money and if fact I want them to so that they can continue to offer the services that they perform. I hope that they will all be ethical in the way they go about soliciting business, but usually the free market and forums such as this will help to limit those unethical physcians.

Referring back to Bills comments though, I too hate to see the little guy lose. History has shown however that it usually is the little guy who doesn't come out on top. That is why such forums like this exist so that the little guy can now educate himself and enter into a possible HT fully knowledgeable and informed. This does level the playing field somewhat. Hopefully those that are not providing the latest technology and that do not have good contract policies will be slowly weeded out. Life isn't perfect and it is up to the little guy to do all he can to not be someone that enters a scenario clueless.

Bill,

I do understand where you are coming from with your statement. Surely no one should be paying for a service not performed; however, it does seem to me unless I misunderstood things, that Dr. Feller is very upfront about the associated risks with this procedure and does give the office policy interms of fees. If the individual proceeds and agrees to the terms I think that it is their choice. There is definitely an inherent risk of paying $4000 for nothing, but they are aware of this and it ultimately becomes their choice.

It is my bet that most HT docs would rather do strip methods because they have perfected the procedure(not all ofcourse) and the results are much more predictable. It is the consumer who is putting the demand on the doctors to find "better" or "other" ways to get desired results. The fear of having a scar, recovery time, having someone notice, is what is pushing the drive for other techniques. (not the only reasons ofcourse)

Unfortunately the cosmetic industry is a Business and they have a great deal of overhead to contend with. Yes they can do very well financially but they do have the same concerns that every other business owner has. It is us that are demanding that they use the greatest technology and have several fully trained technicians and only perform 1 surgery per day. This is challenging for these physicians, Ill guarentee it! If it wasn't there would be a whole hell of a lot more coalition physicians. For Dr. Feller to "lose a day" is a justifiable statement as sad as it is. I own several businesses and I know where he is coming from. It is a sad truth but he needs to focus on his talent/technical and artistic skills but can never lose sight of the business side of it. We need these guys to continue to have high revenues so that they can continue to advance their skills to meet our demands.

Does this make sense? I'm sure that this will be debated somewhat and I know that there are several sides to it, but I wanted to give the side from strictly a business point of view.

You've done your research this time and things will be fine.

Yes you should be able to do it all in one procedure with HW or Rahal. I would avoid Armani since he is not a recommended doc on this site primarily for doing very dense packing of the hairline area on young men with what seems like no regard for possible future hairloss. Remember, there is always the chance for future hairloss so plan for this with the next HT. We all want to limit the number of proecedures that we have to have but unfortunately sometimes mother natures alters these plans. Good luck.

From all of the research that I have done, I would agree that Dr. Rahal is an excellent physician and I always think that the younger docs may have a better sense for the young guys hairline. I do agree with cousin it that you have to at least do a consult with a couple of other docs.

Looks like more great work performed by doctor Feller. Can't wait to see more photos in a few months to see if things do get thicker.

Userdefined,

If you look at most of our posts, you'll see that we all state that you can't predict the future. That works both ways. We can't predict what the future holds for your hair situation. Dr.Deyarman is a highly trained specialists that is recommended on this site. He examined you and used his several years of insight and knowledge to make a determination of what he believes is best for you. I'm quite certain that there is good reason for his decisions. We are HT amateurs that are giving you our feedback based on very little in terms of your history and without a physical evaluation of your hair and scalp. Possibly some of our thought of just strenthening your hairline might be doing you an injustice if infact you can pull off the lower hairline. Right now you need to put faith in his expertise. Although my opinion was exactly my honest initial thoughts, I'm sorry that we have now got you concerned. Hopefully Dr. Deyarman will post his thoughts.

While surfing this site late last night, I did notice that Dr. DeYarman was online here but still no post. Hopefully he'll share his insight on the surgery as it is always nice to get their input.

Thanks Pat,

This site truly is a gem and I think that it is that way do to the integrity and honesty of the many dedicated individuals involved. I'm certain that the number of people that you all have helped is immeasurable.

Anything is possible and it would never surprise me to learn that there is a concerted effort to self promote, but I question that somewhat in this particular case. My reasoning is that if I were to try and self promote my skills as a surgeon, I don't think that I would have displayed such early photos post surgery. Lets face it, several of us asked about the bleeding and I would think the doc would have waited until the scabs had shed before sharing these pics. Even the most educated looked at these photos and immediately thought "is it a good job or not, I can't tell because of the excess bleeding." My immediate thought was that things looked technically sound, but the bleeding gave me doubts. Just my 2 cents.